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Danzig 01-29-2007 03:41 PM

well i'd imagine anyone would feel more for a lost soldier than a lost horse--doesn't mean we can't or shouldn't feel anything for barbaro, or any other horse. plenty of sympathy for everyone.
and yes, any horse who is lost on the track is a sad story. that's probably why so many invested so much more in barbaro--so many times a horse isn't given a shot, but the jacksons were in the position to try to save him. the bitch of it is that some still aren't happy--they complain that they DID try to save him. then people complain about the ones who didn't try. damned if you do, or you don't....

SentToStud 01-29-2007 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DGIB
No, from Md. but I sure will not take S*** from a 26yr old who thinks she"s cute. I live in Sabal Point, I'm sure you know it Jamie. I don't want credit or put anyone down with their picks but your comments are whacked. Hooves I apologized, take it for what is worth. Trust me when I tell you when I bet my hard earned $ it is with my picks good or bad. Funny to see this caused so much concern. Like Barbaro being put down. I feel sorry for a soldier over seas dying much more than an animal. Please put things in perspective. Who is crying about American Ivy (golden gate yesterday) today. I'm sure those close to that horse feel like S**T today. I fought for my country and I feel you have the right to say what you want. But it goes both ways. Deal with it

I AM still waiting for your answer regarding Six Cross Road!

You called it easy money, please tell me how you got to thinking that horse was easy.

Danzig 01-29-2007 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

pillow--has anyone told you lately they're glad you're here?! if not, i will....stick around!:)

Gander 01-29-2007 03:44 PM

Who is crying about American Ivy (golden gate yesterday) today. I'm sure those close to that horse feel like S**T today.

Thats an excellent point. What about poor Energy Czar at SA in a race after the Sunshine Millions? That was a nasty breakdown. Barbaro would have undoubtedly been put down had he been a 40K claimer rather than a KY Derby winner immediately following the Peekness. Its an unfortunate double standard that comes with this sport.

Coach Pants 01-29-2007 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig188
pillow--has anyone told you lately they're glad you're here?! if not, i will....stick around!:)

I'm here for the long haul. One of these days i'm going to hit one of those $11 dd's DGIB was talking about.

Danzig 01-29-2007 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Gander
Who is crying about American Ivy (golden gate yesterday) today. I'm sure those close to that horse feel like S**T today.

Thats an excellent point. What about poor Energy Czar at SA in a race after the Sunshine Millions? That was a nasty breakdown. Barbaro would have undoubtedly been put down had he been a 40K claimer rather than a KY Derby winner immediately following the Peekness. Its an unfortunate double standard that comes with this sport.

you're right, it is a double standard. it would be nice if they were all savable. but since they all aren't, i don't think the ones who try should get grief because others don't.
how many aren't saved that could be? plenty. and that's a damn shame. but who will put out the money, and save a horse who won't step on the track again-and has no 'value' in the eyes of the owner?

not all owners have the funds that the jacksons have. would the jacksons have tried had barbaro been a claimer? i don't know. i'd like to think they would....or maybe i'm just being foolish.

Danzig 01-29-2007 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
I'm here for the long haul. One of these days i'm going to hit one of those $11 dd's DGIB was talking about.

sweet. you can buy lunch when you do...

Cajungator26 01-29-2007 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DGIB
No, from Md. but I sure will not take S*** from a 26yr old who thinks she"s cute. I live in Sabal Point, I'm sure you know it Jamie. I don't want credit or put anyone down with their picks but your comments are whacked. Hooves I apologized, take it for what is worth. Trust me when I tell you when I bet my hard earned $ it is with my picks good or bad. Funny to see this caused so much concern. Like Barbaro being put down. I feel sorry for a soldier over seas dying much more than an animal. Please put things in perspective. Who is crying about American Ivy (golden gate yesterday) today. I'm sure those close to that horse feel like S**T today. I fought for my country and I feel you have the right to say what you want. But it goes both ways. Deal with it

Of course I'm familiar with Sabal Point. My parents actually lived there at one point. What does this have to do with anything that I've said? What comments are you talking about? You come on this message board and act like you own it. Hooves has been a valuable member and shares his picks with everyone (win or lose.) I'm not a horseplayer, as I don't feel confident enough in my own picks to play on a regular basis, so who are you to judge whether or not I bet $2 or $2,000? By going onto my myspace page to dig for info about me and then insult my intelligence by claiming that the schools that I went to are garbage, just shows to me that you have nothing to go on. I'm a single mom. Where on there does it say that "I think I'm cute?" You think I have time to go club hopping on Church Street or waste my time going to City Walk? Read between the lines, pal and get over yourself.

As for Barbaro, I grieve for him and EVERY OTHER HORSE that we lose. I also fully support our troops and care very deeply for the losses that we incur. You need to learn not to judge a book by its cover.

SentToStud 01-29-2007 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DGIB
No, from Md. but I sure will not take S*** from a 26yr old who thinks she"s cute. I live in Sabal Point, I'm sure you know it Jamie. I don't want credit or put anyone down with their picks but your comments are whacked. Hooves I apologized, take it for what is worth. Trust me when I tell you when I bet my hard earned $ it is with my picks good or bad. Funny to see this caused so much concern. Like Barbaro being put down. I feel sorry for a soldier over seas dying much more than an animal. Please put things in perspective. Who is crying about American Ivy (golden gate yesterday) today. I'm sure those close to that horse feel like S**T today. I fought for my country and I feel you have the right to say what you want. But it goes both ways. Deal with it

By the way, she is cute and you are indeed a confirmed internet clown.

I glanced at your 35 or so posts and over 90% are bullsh1t red-board psychobabble; "I had that," "I needed that DQ," etc....

Aside from one incoherent comment about some soccer match, every single post is after-fact.

Totally useless.

Find it in your heart to tell us how you landed on that Tampa MCL winning cripple as part of your $11 Daily Double score, huh?

If you want to make it into the Hall of Internet Clown Fame, you're going to have to work harder. You're failing badly.

qwertybb 01-29-2007 03:55 PM

To sent to studs, Your going to tell me this #3 horse can't beat these. Free lesson, Mdspwt. with highest beyers at the distance and great workouts cannot beat claimers.

timmgirvan 01-29-2007 04:01 PM

DGIB: you appear to be an obnoxious horses ass! Hooves,Kasept,Stud and Bogey, along with Scavs,and Mermaid could run circles around your handicapping! Your ridicule of another poster is despicable, and since you proudly say you fought for our country....did you forget rules of courtesy? Deal with THAT!

blackthroatedwind 01-29-2007 04:13 PM

DGIB
 
To reiterate what some others have alreay said, your uncalled for comments towards Hooves created the furor it did because Hooves extremely graciously posts many selections on an almost daily basis here. Like any good horseplayer, some of his picks are terrific and more are lousy. This goes with the territory. His efforts are greatly appreciated by many here, and while we don't express it perhaps as much as we should, we are certainly not going to allow him to be treated unfairly.

There is nothing wrong with lively handicapping discussion, even ones where one poster aggressively disagrees with another's selections, but the time for this is before the races are run. To come on afterwards and criticize someones selections is exactly the same as redboarding in that the results are known. One of the great beauties of this game is we all have a myriad of opinions before the races are run AND we get to see who was right. Afterwards everybody and anybody can be right.

qwertybb 01-29-2007 04:19 PM

I'm glad Gander gets it. Never proclaimed to be the best handicapper. I just wager to live. Tell me what is more valuable land or a horse? One appreciates more times than not. You people take things way too serious. Keep talking S++t I get a laugh. I apologized and for what? I call a spade a spade. They on here do not make an impact on my way of living. Told you there would be no more negative posts. So why all the smart A** remarks? Go to (other topics) I posted what I'm playing on a dark day. Wish you all the best.

qwertybb 01-29-2007 04:24 PM

Blackthroatpoint, I got it.

hoovesupsideyourhead 01-29-2007 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DGIB
I'm glad Gander gets it. Never proclaimed to be the best handicapper. I just wager to live. Tell me what is more valuable land or a horse? One appreciates more times than not. You people take things way too serious. Keep talking S++t I get a laugh. I apologized and for what? I call a spade a spade. They on here do not make an impact on my way of living. Told you there would be no more negative posts. So why all the smart A** remarks? Go to (other topics) I posted what I'm playing on a dark day. Wish you all the best.

why i gotta be a spade..lets not get all racial up in this piece!!!..your opinion would be great if you made some selections of your own ..very cowardly to dump on someone after the fact..keep playing that chalk ..ill enjoy taking your cash..nuff said..and heres the thing ive been banned so we are counting on you too put up or shut up..

timmgirvan 01-29-2007 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig188
sweet. you can buy lunch when you do...

First ...you have to take out the 8 bucks spent on the bet...so it'll be Mickey D's for youse!

qwertybb 01-29-2007 04:48 PM

Hooves no one brought race into this, but YOU. Sorry your upset but please be real. If you don't except my apology ok. I don't want credit or need credit for what I do or do not know. Last time I'll say it, sorry to hurt your feelings. I'm sure you are a wonderful handicapper. What do you want me to say? Ok I'll say a duck that walks and talks like one must be a duck. Is that ok? Don't really care, really

Coach Pants 01-29-2007 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DGIB
Hooves no one brought race into this, but YOU. Sorry your upset but please be real. If you don't except my apology ok. I don't want credit or need credit for what I do or do not know. Last time I'll say it, sorry to hurt your feelings. I'm sure you are a wonderful handicapper. What do you want me to say? Ok I'll say a duck that walks and talks like one must be a duck. Is that ok? Don't really care, really


timmgirvan 01-29-2007 04:52 PM

If you don't care..what the hell are you doing at DT?

The Bid 01-29-2007 04:52 PM

DGIB

Why dont you and Hooves pick 1 winner a race at Gulf on Wednesday, and 3 spot plays at other tracks. The winner is declared handicapper of the day and will recieve a gift certificate to their choice of eatery

timmgirvan 01-29-2007 04:55 PM

Why don't we just show respect for people and enjoy the Sport?

Coach Pants 01-29-2007 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan
Why don't we just show respect for people and enjoy the Sport?

I would stop using images.google.com if we did.

hoovesupsideyourhead 01-29-2007 04:58 PM

as soon as he pulls a few 40-1 shots out of his hat we can talk..eagles dont worry about flies..

timmgirvan 01-29-2007 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
I would stop using images.google.com if we did.

Good point! That almost makes it a tossup:D

paisjpq 01-29-2007 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
I would stop using images.google.com if we did.

if you stop using images you will be banned.

Coach Pants 01-29-2007 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by paisjpq
if you stop using images you will be banned.


qwertybb 01-29-2007 05:02 PM

I lost all respect for Hooves. Easy to call someone racial. You probably grew up in that era. I did not. My fellow friends and ex-soldiers are black big deal. Your disgusting, expected better and I will NOT apologize for that. A**hole!

hoovesupsideyourhead 01-29-2007 05:08 PM

what does call a "spade a spade" mean to you....you said it not me..whatever this is no longer fun to toy with you ..troll....dont hate..educate..:D

hoovesupsideyourhead 01-29-2007 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by paisjpq
if you stop using images you will be banned.

thats for sure..

Coach Pants 01-29-2007 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
thats for sure..

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SCUDSBROTHER 01-29-2007 05:54 PM

I think it depends on the circuit you are playing.Because drugs in SOCAL are out of hand,I think the most important capping aid is something with a ton of trainer tendencies and percentages.This thing that is free this month(BRISNET ULTIMATE P.P. C COMMENTS ETC.) is good,but I think a lot of capping aids have this info.

blackthroatedwind 01-29-2007 06:03 PM

Just wanted to point out that while some might feel this thread veered in an unrelated direction, the actual title involves identifying the " best handicapping tool ", and I would have to say this thread has absolutely done that.

paisjpq 01-29-2007 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Just wanted to point out that while some might feel this thread veered in an unrelated direction, the actual title involves identifying the " best handicapping tool ", and I would have to say this thread has absolutely done that.

OMG I'm dying....

timmgirvan 01-29-2007 06:08 PM

BTW....you sly dog....

Cajungator26 01-29-2007 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by SentToStud
By the way, she is cute and you are indeed a confirmed internet clown.

I glanced at your 35 or so posts and over 90% are bullsh1t red-board psychobabble; "I had that," "I needed that DQ," etc....

Aside from one incoherent comment about some soccer match, every single post is after-fact.

Totally useless.

Find it in your heart to tell us how you landed on that Tampa MCL winning cripple as part of your $11 Daily Double score, huh?

If you want to make it into the Hall of Internet Clown Fame, you're going to have to work harder. You're failing badly.

Bruce,

Thank you for the kind words. You guys were too kind to me this weekend. I really appreciate it.

Danzig 01-29-2007 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Just wanted to point out that while some might feel this thread veered in an unrelated direction, the actual title involves identifying the " best handicapping tool ", and I would have to say this thread has absolutely done that.

so glad someone found the words for what i was thinking--but couldn't find a way to put it in writing. i bow to your greatness.

blackthroatedwind 01-29-2007 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig188
so glad someone found the words for what i was thinking--but couldn't find a way to put it in writing. i bow to your greatness.

I'm too busy intimidating newbies to deal with you right now.

Danzig 01-29-2007 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I'm too busy intimidating newbies to deal with you right now.

does that mean you have plans for me later?? :eek:

lol

smartyalex 01-29-2007 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
the actual title involves identifying the " best handicapping tool ", and I would have to say this thread has absolutely done that.

TOUCHE!


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