Buffy I think everyone loves this horse and his story. Noone is bashing him. Its very frustrating watching him come so close but refusing to win due to that quirk, and like Steve says, you can't train that out of him. Some damn good jockeys have tried to get him to pass and they just can't do it.

But honestly, I don't think that was why he lost on Sat. I think if his jock had seen Seek Gold earlier, he would have won the race.

Just give the horse his props for running an awesome race and forget about talking about the "hanging". Everyone on this board would like to own a "hanger" like him.

Have they given out the Beyers for this race yet?

I was busy all weekend and just saw the race, but I thought Ateam said the fillies ran faster. He's a nice horse and it's great he's still running, can't bash anything about that...

buffy hes the greatest hanger i ever have seen.

BITE ME! :mad: :mad: :mad: :D

PD continues to amaze even at this age.
The son of Dynaformer, one can only wonder what Barbaro , another son of his would have turned out to be.
But in the meantime, PD continues to lead the league as the current active leading runner by lifetime accumulated on track earnings with what, maybe 4.5 million now.
I look for him to pass 5 million this year, and if he hits the board in the BCc, he may whind up in the top ten list of all time money earners joining, Pleasantly Perfect, cigar, smarty jones, fantastic light, and others of that caliber.

Honestly, I hope he wins the classic and moves up there with them. He deserves it. Hard trying horse all the time, hanging or not, he at least shows up in his races. (well, maybe not the last grass race he ran, but 99% of his races he is up there).

He certainly loves playing the game. I just wish he could hit the wire first. No way you can help but like this horse.

Keen race observer...OK.
Also modest. You forgot to add that.

He should be a serious threat in October on that same track. Bet the farm to place/show on him, but betting that horse to win is asking for it.

You think Gomez could get him to run?

Thats just it, he's not good enough Seek Gold ran him down for Christsakes, Brass Hat didn't show up and Buzzard's Bay ran a clunker, he couldn't get withing sniffin distance of Lava Man or the top handicap horses, he is what he is, a nice money making under-achiever, he will never win the Classic.

I love it when so,eone comes along and says what I have been dying to say but don't because I don't wanna get a "you are mean" tossed at me. Lharge, Buzzard bounced off his huge race the time before and didnt run, hat got Dubai'd, Wiggins got steadied 14 times in the turn and stretch, etc. The race fell apart completely and the figure will not be upper echelon quality. Drift is a neat horse and story and I always root for him to win one, but I don't see that race as breakthrough stuff.

i think this horse has won placed and shown in three additions of this race, as that ever happened before in a graded stakes race ?

He beat them (BH & BB) though. Had Guidry been able to see Seek Gold before the last second, Drifty would have won. Lots and lots of horses ease up when they make the lead. Nothing to run at. Drifty thought he was clear. Seek Gold snuck up on him. Drifty would have fought back had he seen him.

Just remember, everyone said Concern was always a bridesmaid and never a bride. Yet, what race did he win at the end of the year? hmmmmm....

St. Liam only lost to RH10 because of the concrete dirt in Cali. Excuses, excuses...

My point is who got the bigger paycheck on Saturday? BB, BH or PD?

Well Oracle I tend to call it as I see it, I love horses, adore them in fact and own 6 of my own. This horse is a moneymaker, that can't be denied, but to me he is gutless and a cheater, he doesn't want to win, that is a quality Ihate in a horse, if people think this horse has heart, they are poorly mis-guided, heart was demonstrated in the prior race, Happy Ticket has 10 times the heart of Perfect Drift.

A cheater? now I know you guys are just trying to get me all riled up.

No Buffy, a cheater is a reference to a horse who doesnt give his all down the lane, pulls himself up.
And you don't seem to get it, hes won one race in like two years. Its hard to lable him anything other than the greatest damn bridesmaid in history, because thats what he is, and anyone would be so proud and happy to own him, its just frustrating because he never wins a dogfight.

Whatever, I don't feel like arguing anymore today. Think what you will about the horse. He ran an awesome race on Saturday. Hanger, cheater, etc... call him whatever ya want. He is good for horseracing and you should say nothing bad about him.

I agree, Buffy... when he wins another one, perhaps I won't have to read some of these ludicrous "cheater" posts about this horse. He's a nice horse and will win some more I think.

Thanks for stating the truth Larhage, this race was awful, the best 2 didn't fire and the hanger, hung again. I was happy to see Borel get a big win, but this was a bad bad race. It looks like they might barely get over a 100 Beyer, Perfect Drift will be over bet in all of the underneath exotics and probably be a throwout even for that, because this race is going to come up very bad...

I guess they think his jock should have kept beating Drifty to make him win by more. Dude thought he had it won so he eased up. Other caught him because he didn't see him. They can talk about all Drifty's other races, point is Drifty drew clear by a few lengths then eased up a bit, yes because he thought he had it won. Jock nor horse saw the other horse coming until it was too late. Not like they were bobbing head to head.

it isn't 'mean' to call PD a hanger, it isn't anything but the truth. sometimes the truth hurts. yes, he's a good horse with a good story. but please don't make him out to be some champ full of heart or gutty. he's not. he had a tremendous lead and sat on it. i doubt his run here means anything more than his run against crap and the clock last year early in the season. easy to look good when the top horses all fail to fire. i mean, come on, does anyone here expect seek gold to win the bcc? after all, he DID beat pd. i don't see anyone talking up his gutty win, or thinking he'll end up as bcc champ....

Nothing wrong with him being a hanger, but in THIS particular race, I didn't see that. If he would have hung on for the win, would he have been a cheater and a hanger? What about every other horse that barely holds on to the win because a deep closer is headed down the stretch? Are they all hangers too? I see your point of view, but I don't agree on it for this particular instance.

when a horse has a lead like that, and loses, esp to a deep closer who must have everything his way to show up at the wire, he's a hanger. whether he lost by a nose hair or a length, he hung.

That is what I was trying to say. Yes, PD may have hung in other races. I get that. But Saturday he did not. IMO

Yeah Cajun he would have been. He wasn't tired, not at all. You could see him pulling himself up after making the lead.

his jock even said he eased himself.

look, just because you guys like the horse, I like the horse, doesn't mean he isn't what he is.

Like I said before Jock thought he had the race, should he have gone on beating the horse to death?

Wouldnt have been a bad idea considering his past history.

Then that is jockey error not hanging, correct?

Buffy, I just watched the replay ok? I WATCHED it and counted the number of times he hit perfect Drift in the stretch, he hit him 20 TIMES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now wheer you get the idea that he eased him up is beyond me. And furthermore he whipped him every stride from the time he made the lead to the wire and was whipping him like crazy all teh way to the end.
Now, you are just wrong, wrong to say he eased up on him. I will give you the link to watch the replay or anyone else and you can all count the number of times he hit him, 20. 20 times. If thats eased up then I'd hate to see a furious drive.
he just hung, plain and simple. Like i said, I will give you the link and you can have anyone watch it and if he hit him less than 20 times I will never post here again. I just counted 3 times, its at least 20 times that he hit the horse. He did not ease up on him and I'm wondering if you even saw the race.

Heres the deal Buffy, I will give you the link to watch the race. You count how many times he hits the horse and note that he never stopped whipping all the way to the finish line. If you are wrong, you say yoiu were wrong. If I'm wrong i will not post here to bother you again. You want the link?

WHATEVER DUDE. Honestly, I didn't see what you saw. I have the race on tape at home. To me it just looked like he got caught on the line. Yes, he lost by a nose but not in a head to head fight. The other horse was way wide of him. Didn't see him until it was too late. Believe what you want. You are the king, I am just a lowly servant.

No I'm not the King, but I have to be honest, I wasn't focusing on Perfect Drift during the race. I had used other horses in the pik-4 and was watching them and then once Seek gold started to fly i was jumping up and down screaming at the top of my lungs for him to get up. I know his trainer, and believe me I was a very happy guy when he won.
In any case I hadn't focused on PD and his jock and what happened. I just pulled up the replay on Brisbet because I kept hearing you say that the jock eased him up. So i watched it and was stunned to see that he had whipped him at least 20 times, and was bashing away the whole way home and was whipping furiously until the end. Go home and watch it, I know you can count an add. My point is that you can't make things out to be anything other than what they are in life. Everyone loves the horse, myself included, but to paint it out as jockey error when he hit him 20 times both left and right handed and was whipping furiously the whole way home is a gross misrepresenation of what occurred. go home and watch it again, and holler back at what you saw.

Oracle is the king of something alright...lol


if Pat Day or Gary Stevens were the jockey PD wouldnt have lost

You are an idiot. What else could anyone else have done with him? And he hung for Day as well you windbag knownothing. remember the Whitney where you said that Roses In may DID NOT BELONG IN AND WOULD BE EMBARRASSED AND THAT RAMSEY WAS DUMB TO RUN HIM IN? Well see as a sidenote to your continued lack of understanding of the game of tbred racing, Perfect Driuft had dead aim under a confident pat day and then hung like a cheap suit from Wal Mart. Its incredible the stuff that you say, incredible.

Oracle, he was just trying to be nice to me. But even Gary doesn't always make the best of rides. Gorella in last years Mile is one that I won't forget. Doesn't mean I don't like him.

You see one thing Oracle and I see another. Leave it at that. Agree to disagree or we could be here all night. :) AND I AM RIDING AFTER WORK. I got rained out Sat & Sun. Maybe that is why I am so cranky today...

Sent To Stud help me out here
 

Stud, do you have a replay site that you use? Do me a favor if you can, please rewatch the Foster and count the number of times the guy whips PD and lemme know what you get. I get 20-22 times.