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eurobounce

01-22-2007 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stonegossard

Prado and Ramon are in 2 different classes. One guy rides in the top meets and is successful....one guy is forced to ride at 3rd class meets and comes up for air to pick up scraps when the top guys go away.

As far as this week.....Ramon is riding at AQU during a time of bad racing and is getting first call mounts....sure he is gonna be successful at a meet when he is riding against the likes of Diane Nelson and Andrew Lakeman.....

He earned $14,409,988 by riding 3rd class meets and picking up scraps.

stonegossard

01-22-2007 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by disappearingdan_akaplaya

#1 in all the world these days-dettori

Sicne you reside in my old stompong grounds I will make this pleasant....

Dettori is not the #1 rider......this guy is hand fed the TOP mounts overseas....yes he is skilled....but definetly not the best...not even top 3....but if you need a reminder go back and watch his ride on Swain...

stonegossard

01-22-2007 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Hey Tracy Hebert won alot of races this week at Delta!!! He's better than Prado now!

Easy on the Hebert comments my friend.......if you even mention one abd word about Carl Woodley , me and you are gonna drop the gloves

stonegossard

01-22-2007 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You don't follow NY racing at all....do you?

Mike Smith has been absolutely horrendous since coming back from the West Coast and " Mike Smith off " has become virtually an automatic play. It's obvious you haven't seen him ride but you could have at least looked at his stats. I'll give you a hint....they are horrendous.

Jose Santos is also riding flat out awful right now and has the numbers to prove it. He is getting left with virtually every mount and getting in trouble just as often. Shawn Bridgemohan, despite hiring NY's best agent in Drew Mollica is also struggling for mounts and winning at under a 10% clip. His riding has been less than stellar.

This person isnt serious....Smith,Santos, and Bridgmohan?......They are in the 2nd car of the horrible jockey train.....Diane Nelson,Andrew Lakeman, and Rudy Rodriguez reside in the first car......Herbie Castillo is the conductor.

stonegossard

01-22-2007 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

i dont think anyone was bashing ramon save that nucklehead ride at aq..
my top 7 jocks on any day

prado
corny
gomez
mig
jv
c nack
m padroza all hart strong hands..

Where is Barrington Harvey?

Surely a typo on your part.....

Coach Pants

01-22-2007 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stonegossard

Easy on the Hebert comments my friend.......if you even mention one abd word about Carl Woodley , me and you are gonna drop the gloves

You're going to fight me over what I say about another man?

Ok dude...:confused:

eurobounce

01-22-2007 01:18 PM

I miss the old days at River and Turfway when we had Herbert, Woods, Outz, Cooksey, Tolio, Martines all battling it out. Now that was a jockey colony--ha ha.

stonegossard

01-22-2007 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eurobounce

He earned $14,409,988 by riding 3rd class meets and picking up scraps.

Yes...he wins a TON of races at Delaware....and their purses are good down there..thats where the earnings come from.....lots of wins in mediocore races....and he rides all the good horses....his competition there is weak...outside of Jeremy Rose there aren't any half decent jocks at that meet.........it's like Russell Baze....wins a ton of races at bad meets....is Baze a bad jock? Not at all......is skilled.....but the guy has ONE grade I victory in all those wins.....

stonegossard

01-22-2007 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

You're going to fight me over what I say about another man?

Ok dude...:confused:

was a joke.......

Coach Pants

01-22-2007 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eurobounce

I miss the old days at River and Turfway when we had Herbert, Woods, Outz, Cooksey, Tolio, Martines all battling it out. Now that was a jockey colony--ha ha.

I remember Garrett Gomez and Jose Valdivia Jr. at Ellis Park. I think it was the summer of 91...maybe 92.

eurobounce

01-22-2007 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by stonegossard

If I was a jock and could earn $14mm a year without traveling a whole bunch I would.

Coach Pants

01-22-2007 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by stonegossard

was a joke.......

Ok. Be sure to give Carl a hug for me.

Coach Pants

01-22-2007 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by eurobounce

If I was a jock and could earn $14mm a year without traveling a whole bunch I would.

He earned 10% of that.

eurobounce

01-22-2007 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

He earned 10% of that.

I know, I should of said his mounts earned that. So he earned $1.4mm. Prado earned $1.9mm. Not that big of a difference.

Coach Pants

01-22-2007 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by eurobounce

I know, I should of said his mounts earned that. So he earned $1.4mm. Prado earned $1.9mm. Not that big of a difference.

Nah that's chump change.

blackthroatedwind

01-22-2007 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by eurobounce

I know, I should of said his mounts earned that. So he earned $1.4mm. Prado earned $1.9mm. Not that big of a difference.

Prado won the Derby and at least one BC race as well. Somehow I think Ramon would like to be competitive in those races.

Coach Pants

01-22-2007 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Prado won the Derby and at least one BC race as well. Somehow I think Ramon would like to be competitive in those races.

two bc's and also won the belmont twice.

ramon won a bc race in 04

eurobounce

01-22-2007 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Prado won the Derby and at least one BC race as well. Somehow I think Ramon would like to be competitive in those races.

I agree, but with a Derby win and a BC win Prado only earned $500k more. It is all about what you want I guess. Prado goes all over the nation. Ramon basically stays at home.

hoovesupsideyourhead

01-22-2007 01:59 PM

id rather have my money on prado..but thats just me...those i must stop playing

norberto a
pablo f
those who i will never play even on the much the best horse
chantal
mike smith
anyone who shakes hands with mike smith
h pazua
a castilliano..
in the south

eddie nunez
h velez
j leyva
k chapman...

blackthroatedwind

01-22-2007 02:00 PM

There's a guy in Florida that brings new meaning to horrendous....R D Fuentes.

Independent George

01-22-2007 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by stonegossard

You forgot Mario Pino, most underrated 5,000 win rider in the country.

stonegossard

01-22-2007 02:07 PM

Man...and I thought I was rough on Mike Smith.......doesnt seem to be too popular on here.....getting put on a list with Juan Leyva and Eddie Nunuez....ouch

hoovesupsideyourhead

01-22-2007 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

There's a guy in Florida that brings new meaning to horrendous....R D Fuentes.

yes..c hill is on the bubble in ny..:D

stonegossard

01-22-2007 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Independent George

You forgot Mario Pino, most underrated 5,000 win rider in the country.

Oh yeah....Pino...he's ok.....but after that the jock colony takes a steep fall.....

Juan Umana....Kendrick Carmouche.....Clyde Martin...Nick Petro.........frightening

blackthroatedwind

01-22-2007 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

yes..c hill is on the bubble in ny..:D

I think he rides fine.

Plus, his valet is a good guy.

philcski

01-22-2007 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I think he rides fine.

Plus, his valet is a good guy.

CHANNING friggin' HILL has a VALET?!? I'm in the wrong business. Why God Why did I grow past 5'3"??

Gander

01-22-2007 03:35 PM

Jockeys will always be a funny debate. They are great when you need them to win and they come through for you, but they are so very bad when they lose on a horse you need to cash. I get a kick out of people praising a jockey one day, then a week later the same person calling that same jockey a bum.
Horseplayers are so predictable.

blackthroatedwind

01-22-2007 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski

CHANNING friggin' HILL has a VALET?!? I'm in the wrong business. Why God Why did I grow past 5'3"??

Every rider has to have a valet. Some share. Who do you think brings their tack out?

Gander

01-22-2007 03:45 PM

I liked a horse he was on yesterday in the 7th, Mhera Maskey. Thought the horse was lone speed and would outsprint Mama Theresa. Boy was I wrong. Not sure if Hill didnt try to make the lead or the horse was just plain not right. It was the first time ever this horse showed no speed.

I held off making a wager on him because I felt 6/1 was not "good value" even though this is the horse that I wanted to play more than any other horse all weekend. I would have went in at 8/1 or higher.

philcski

01-22-2007 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Every rider has to have a valet. Some share. Who do you think brings their tack out?

ah, I thought you meant a valet, like a personal driver/butler/chef/man groomer extraodinaire.
I only feel SLIGHTLY better about my career choice then.

NoCarolinaTony

01-22-2007 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I agree with you - Mike Smith off has been the play. I do have to give Mike credit for his "One Good" ride in "06" on Noble Stella on closing day at the SPA. Gave me my biggets score of the meet for one race and set up the final P4 of the meet for me($7.9G's) so I have a little warm spot in my heart for him.

NC Tony

NoCarolinaTony

01-22-2007 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I think he rides fine.

Plus, his valet is a good guy.

C Hill being 18 has been up and down, but see potential there.(IMO) lately he's been riding just fine.

NC Tony

disappearingdan_akaplaya

01-23-2007 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoCarolinaTony

C Hill being 18 has been up and down, but see potential there.(IMO) lately he's been riding just fine.

NC Tony

liked the way channing rides since he was a bug, if he keeps working hard he will have alotta success in this game. i believe somebody else in his family was a jockey before

blackthroatedwind

01-23-2007 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by disappearingdan_akaplaya

liked the way channing rides since he was a bug, if he keeps working hard he will have alotta success in this game.

I agree. When he first got to NY he was very mediocre, but very quickly he started to adapt, and it was clear unlike a lot of young riders that come to town he was working hard to improve his riding. When the turf course opened later, and he probably had little to no turf experience, he was awful at first. But slowly he started to improve. Not that he's great on it, but he clearly shows improvement, which is all one can ask for.

ninetoone

01-23-2007 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

I judge greatness mostly by how they've performed in TC, BC and other major races.

Prado was 0 for 6 in the Derby before this year.

Prado was 2 for 48 in the BC before this year.

But anyway....

Some people might also say that Barry Sanders wasn't great. After all, he never played in a big market or the big game. Whatever.

Oh yeah, 0 for 9 in the Preakness.

Not bashing Prado...I like him...just defending Ramon against those who apparently need a history lesson.

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