Originally Posted by somerfrost

I guess I'm in the minority here cause I like both Clinton and Obama...I think that would be a great ticket in fact! As I've said before, I'd love to see Hillary Vs Condy.

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Omigawd, not you on the McCain I'llsaywhateverwillgetmeelectedExpress, too!

http://www.salon.com/opinion/blument.../01/18/mccain/

Not that I didn't once like the man- I was as duped by the press as everyone else. But actually look at his voting record, and pay attention to where and to whom he's been speaking, and one's opinion does a 180. Maverick, schmaverick.

My thoughts on Hilary-- I think she's incredibly smart, and works her tail off for New York-- for a carpetbagger, she knows more about this state than many natives. She's really hawkish on defense, and back in 1992 she was pushing for an overhaul to our bloated health care system-- years before the rest of the country caught up. All to the good. BUT- I think the nation is tired of "Bush" and "Clinton" and even if she was the ideal candidate it wouldn't matter because America wants something different from the past 18 years. I don't think she can win.

I like Edwards, and quite frankly, if Gore would run and show some of the side of him that comes out when he's not campaigning, I think he'd win, because I think the environment and energy are going to be a major, major issues in the near future for most Americans. The situation in Nigeria isn't getting any better, and there goes our 5th largest supplier of oil. And our biggest one requires us to suck up to the same people who are funding mosques teaching that America is the big bad. I think if Gore would throw his hat in, and campaign on energy independence and renewable energies, he'd have a strong shot.

Well, and he'd have to go on a diet. There's a real streak of fattism in this country, for all that many of us are overweight.

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Bush didn't say or refer to God as a talisman....that is your take on things. And you are the one who looks down his nose at the deluded Christians!

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

While you people are falling all over yourselves in defense of Hillary, God(yeah the Big Guy) help us if this country settles for her!

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Here is your original post! "God help us if this country settles for her"...your words!

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

"God help us" is a prayer...not a talisman! I'm surprised that a man of your education couldn't ferret that out. Oh well...btw...TAKE A MIDOL!

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Why? Was that sexist?

Originally Posted by Danzig188

well, yeah imo it was. happens on here too oftne for my taste. put yourself in a womans shoes, tim. posts on here accusing someone of 'acting like a girl'--things like that are used as an insult. because who would want to be a girl...

or maybe i'm just being too sensitive....

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Timm, why don't you offer some specifics on exactly why you don't like Hilary, instead of just saying "God help us" if she's elected. I can give you specific things about Giuliani and McCain that I don't like, actions that they have taken while elected officials. Offer the same stuff on Hilary, please- which of her positions do you opposed? Otherwise you come across sounding as though you get your talking points from Rush Limbaugh, and he's not known for his journalistic integrity.

I gots news for ya, my friend- politicians are ALL power-mad schemers. It's how they get elected. I find it very sexist of you that you clearly consider that a negative thing in a woman but not a man. ;)

Originally Posted by pgardn

I think she will pick good people in all spots. Loyality only goes so far, you have got to move competent people into place.

And I probably will not vote for her. Obama is a definite no. I see a great orator, and smart man... but my God he just has NO experience.

Mean people with experience also can get jobs done. Abraham L. put some of his most ardent enemies into major posts because he knew they were terribly capable at things that he needed them for. I know politics does not work this way anymore, and it is sad. CAPABLE people may be better than people who talk YOUR game, but cannot get things done.

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

On reflecting.....you're right... it was sexist...but not putting down women...more like "stop yer whinin"! I hope that clears it up! :)

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Zeig: I hope everything turns out well on your tests!

Originally Posted by Danzig188

and you guys out there have no idea how lucky you are...just imagine your lil buddies getting smooshed flat between two plates. multiple times.

Originally Posted by Danzig188

oh no. not edwards. he seems so fake!

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

GR: when you get the time...start with TravelGate! Regarding the GOP..it was elected members of Congress led by the Soul of Congress Liebermann who condemned Clinton for his foolishness,not Party Heads. Hillary came out swinging?..more like a knife in the back or Death threats on enemys families! Any body around you know who's had 60-70 associates meet untimely deaths! They could make a movie about it....but then they'd have to kill everybody who saw the movie!! Ron Brown ring a bell? And I didn't say women...I said Hillary, but I'll throw in Pelosi for you too!:)

Originally Posted by T3B

this ticket gets my vote

http://cristal.inria.fr/~harley/pics/bnb.experience.gif

Originally Posted by skippy3481

Homer Simpson for Energy chairmen.

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Timm, which party was in control of Congress during the impeachment thing? Come on, which party? Lieberman didn't spearhead the thing; he voted for it (and by the way, if you want him, you can have him. Just give us Chuck Hagel in return). Ron Brown? Right. And Senator Wellstone's plane was brought down by Republican agents determined to make sure they kept control of the Senate. You've GOT to get off the conspiracy stuff, at least with me, as I don't think I've ever posted anything to indicate I believe any of them (other than Condi sleeping with Bush, heh heh heh).

So, how many people met untimely deaths? Sixty or seventy? Post their names, please. If you're going to accuse the Clintons of that much conspiracy and murder, you should post all the names of people you believe they had killed. Again, specifics.

As I said, the only powermad people you mentioned were both female. And you mentioned Pelosi the first time. Be sure to reread your posts so you don't repeat yourself and just further accentuate my point- which is that even though it's easy to make generalized accusations, I'd recommend not doing it because it can go both ways. Midolman. :)

(No I don't think you hate women or anything like that. I was just trying to say something about generalizations) :)

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Cool. I have long wanted to live in a nation powered by doughnuts and beer.

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

I have avoided posting on this thread for a reason.
NO MORE!!!
If Midol Man isn't tossing his hat into the ring, though I think he should, I'll go with Chuck Hagel. Might be the first time since Barry G that I vote repub.
If Midol Man decides not to run, Hooves will get the nod.
If not him...Edwards/Obama is the ticket.
HMMMM...anything is better than what we've got.
Can't wait for the trap door to spring underneath Dicky C and his puppet Georgie boy. Good bye...see ya...

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

DTS: you would vote for me? I'm truly humbled.

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Yes Timm,
I certainly would!
Now if you want me to manage your campaign, and if you're willing to wear a nice dress and paint up in "black face" on the trail, my guess is you'll get extra votes. Red lipstick even better!
On a side note, have you considered a running mate for VP?
Last I heard, Al Sharpton is available.
It's a can't lose! And to think it all started on the DT!

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Sorry to burst your campaign bubble, but I'm not a showman, at least not in that sense. Al is pretty much available for anything,actually!

Originally Posted by pgardn

Hillary is a doer. She personally called up many of the major employers in NY and met with them and asked how she could help them hire additional folks to expand business. What was and was not getting in the way. She did some amazing work with Corning. Talked with Union folks backed them down on certain criteria and basically made it easier to hire qualified folks that would help companies. She did an amazing job.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I would have to say that I am still waiting for Hillary's impact to be felt in NY. Though she travels (campaigns?) extensively as junior senator in NY she has accomplished virtually nothing. She is strictly a politician of the polls and she choose NY as it is the most liberal leaning major state outside of CA where she can maintain a high profile. She has pissed off far left-liberals by moving to the right on issues when the polls say so and is pretty much universally hated by the right no matter what. I personally think that she would be the worst choice by Democrats as she is sure to mobilize the now shaken republicians to a common goal of beating her. Of course Kerry or Gore might be as bad but I dont think anyone is giving them a real chance.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I will give you some news about NY states economy during the Hillary era.

www.bcnys.org/whatsnew/2004/0426economypr.htm

In a nutshell it tells how poorly the NY economy was doing in the 1st part of the decade through 2004.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Here is a bit about the state of Hillary's state in regards to her pet project of healthcare.

www.bcnys.org/whatsnew/2006/1012medicaid.htm