What do plans and direction have with racing robotic horses. The horse isnt injured to my knowledge. But Zito has no plans for the horse. If he does, please share with us if you know.

Love Steve Haskin's columns about derby contenders.
But I see he made a glaring ommision.
Where's the Green Monkey!!!?
:p :p

Good question. IF TGM comes out of retirement and wins then he is at the top of everyone'e list.

Once again, troll, who do you think you are fooling with this act? You did not just say I didn't know ( which I don't and never even implied I did ) but you insinuated much more with the following.....



You said I don't know....true, you said you don't know.....true, but then you said Nick Zito didn't know........unsubstantiatable and highly unlikely.

You are a troll who posts to cause trouble. You fool nobody and only amuse a few. If you are going to troll at least do a better job.

sorrry...SO YOU DONT KNOW should have been a question. I never said Zito doesnt know. I said he doesnt have any direction for this horse. I havent heard of plans so therefore I can only conclude he doesnt have any.

he got 5 in there one year......i think that says it all...:D

Yea, it's the easy competition in the Arkansas Derby! You're ridiculous!!!

I guess one year is good to have 5. But I dont believe any of those 5 won.

Eurobounce, you must think pretty highly of yourself. Just because YOU don't know what Nick's plans are then clearly he has no plans. Does Nick consult with you on schedules/plans/possible starts and training for all his stock or just this colt?

I don't even know what horse you are talking about but if he's a MSW winner of ($16k) my guess is that he's looking for an allowance (as he did with Bellamy Rd, Sun King, Noble Causeway etc) before trying stakes. As such he may not have mapped out which stakes the horse belongs in.

You are lying and here's the proof.........

Because you haven't read anything in the Blood-Horse, TT's or elsewhere you just assume that Zito has none for this horse? :confused:

So if Zito doesn't personally make you aware of the plans for one of his horses then that means he doesn't have any? That's some interesting logic.

just getting them there is the question you were saying no...if thats the case he has pleanty of exp mapping out the graded moneys...no wait he should ask you..i forgot...my bad..:D

You know Zito is having a good year. 31st in trainer standings. 19-4-3-5. His horses are finishing in the money. But he is running in some cheap races to avg $6,057 per start.

What exactly am I lying about? I said SO YOU DONT KNOW should be a question and not a statement. So I am lost as to what I am lying about.

Well most trainers have come out and announced some sort of plan with their derby contendars. So far, no word for Zito on King Alliance.

What else is there to assume? Should I assume there is a path just because it is Zito?

He does have experience and at one time he was one of the best. But you can't always live in the 1990's.

Since it's surely been since the '90's since Nick Zito had any success.

His success has been been fading the past couple of years and it will continue to decline. That was my prediction a couple of months ago and so far $6,000 per start is backing me up.

Did euro just use Zito's 2007 stats in this argument?

Combine 31st in trainer stats with the 20th last year and you can see a nice pattern developing here. He was 8th in 2005, 9th in 2004, 14th in 2003 and 23rd in 2002. I think the year 2002, 2006 and so far in 2007 is more reflective of his training skill. He fits between 20-40. A couple of good years. But Zito is avg at best. I can name 20 trainers I would rather have than Zito. And apparently so can many owners.

Do you realize what a small sample size 20 starts is for a trainer that averages in the 400-500 range over the course of a year?

wtf are you typing about..zito living in the 90s ..he had 5 starters in the derby less than 2 years ago...dude just shut your pie hole..your arguments are not valid...

Doug O'Neill's average per start is $7,380. Contessa's is $5,541. Motion's is $7,304. Mclaughlin's is $6,969.

So, with all of the HUGE stakes races that have been run so far to boost average earnings per start.....these 16 days (and his mind-blowingly huge number of 20 starts) of 2007 are the indicator that Zito doesn't know what he is doing and has no clue about this horse?

The logic doesn't work.

Why would a colt who broke his MD with a 66 BSF at Calder then ran 3rd in a slowish allowance race be getting alot of mention from Nick. He's certainly well bred but nothing he's done so far screams "Derby" and maybe Nick knows it.

He's bred for routing (by Awesome Again) and maybe (again a guess, I don't speak to Nick daily or spy on his records) he's a bit slow growing and is in need of time. I don't recall hearing his name on the several occasions when I was in the Zito barn at SAR. Does that mean he wasn't there, no, but no one was talking about him. THAT speaks volumes.

It is unreal that anyone would say that just because THEY are not informed about a given horse's plans that he's "languishing." Trainers owe the public nothing in terms of info. What they do choose to discuss with the press is usually dependent upon what the media asks. Zito is not sending out media releases. If Grening (or others) come knocking he will answer their questions but he's not likely to bring up horses that are not on the writer's list.


BTW, the $200k San Fernando is the richest race run this year. Exactly how many stakes has Zito entered this year?

And how many starters did he have last year? How many graded stakes did he win last year?

Todd Pletcher has no wins this year, he must suck too. If Zito's owners would rather have 20 other trainers, why don't they? Oh yeah, he's got the horses locked in the barn in the dark, hiding them from you.

O'Neill is 2nd, Contessa is 3rd, Motion is 8th and McLaughlin is 16th in trainers stats. All ahead of the 31st person which is Zito.

Come on, Pletcher is suspended. Bad example right there.

Did I pull a Rip Van Winkle and is it August 16th and not January 16th?

Who cares? I'm pointing out that you're cornerstone statistic in bashing Zito is his 'paltry' $6,000/start earning average. That certainly doesn't stack up very badly with some trainers who are, according to your mathematical computation, well ahead of him in trainer stats.....

.......after 16 days.

took the words out of my mouth (well the thought out of my head anyway)...you guys are wasting an awful lot of energy fighting over an absolutely ridiculous premise...it IS only January 16th...

I will say that Forefathers is a nice looking horse. I hope to see him race soon.

A troll incites with no real purpose other than to incite.

We will see come year end when Zito is again no better than 20th in trainer stats.

Which I think is the point (that you're now the FIFTH person on just this PAGE to make) that we're trying to get through to Euro, is that the stats being used are useless in trying to make a point. :D

Again, the end of the year will prove once again that Zito is on the downside of his career. And IMO it couldnt come fast enough.

WHy the hatred for Zito?

That is between Zito and I.