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somerfrost 12-11-2006 01:54 AM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
No I wasn't. I will say that I think i remember you saying you were in your late 20's and for such a young guy, real angry. I never found the Beatles to be socially destructive, but then again, i'm not a crazy idiot, so maybe that's why. I find unwarranted hate, and hate speech to be socially destructive, but hey, that's just me.
I'm not sure there are many musicians who have had a notable social impact...certainly Bono belongs on any list and perhaps Paul Simon.

repent 12-11-2006 01:58 AM
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Originally Posted by somerfrost
Well I do like Willie Nelson....and a few others.
oh Willie Nelson.

my father used to have a cd called The Highway Men or something.
had Williie and Cash and a few others I think.
never cared for it, but it was better than a lot of the stuff he listened to.



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repent 12-11-2006 02:01 AM
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Originally Posted by somerfrost
I'm not sure there are many musicians who have had a notable social impact...certainly Bono belongs on any list and perhaps Paul Simon.
isnt Paul Simon that Nickelodeon dude?
sang some song about a guy and his daughter I think.

O'Reilly likes Bono.
I personally do not. he is all about humanatarian crap.
thats fine, I just dont like the way he tries to make others who dont give a damn feel guilty about not helping some starving aids kid in Africa.



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somerfrost 12-11-2006 02:04 AM
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Originally Posted by repent
isnt Paul Simon that Nickelodeon dude?
sang some song about a guy and his daughter I think.

O'Reilly likes Bono.
I personally do not. he is all about humanatarian crap.
thats fine, I just dont like the way he tries to make others who dont give a damn feel guilty about not helping some starving aids kid in Africa.



Repent
Bono is on my "hero list"...U2 is a great band regardless of their social contributions but Bono and The Edge have done a lot...and Bono, unlike many folks, has learned to "play the game" and has raised unparalleled amounts of money!

repent 12-11-2006 02:17 AM
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Originally Posted by somerfrost
Bono is on my "hero list"...U2 is a great band regardless of their social contributions but Bono and The Edge have done a lot...and Bono, unlike many folks, has learned to "play the game" and has raised unparalleled amounts of money!
U2 was a great band.
they did that greatest hits thing where they had one cd for the first half of their career and one for the 2nd.
amazing to see the difference.
they were doing some great stuff back with Rattle and Hum and The Joshua Tree.
the 2nd half of their career has been very ordinary.
I dont know if they got clean or what, but whatever they did is not working for them.



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repent 12-11-2006 02:23 AM
checked your hero list Somer.
Bono was not there, but it was only a list of 5.

Im not saying he is bad.
He does a lot of good for the causes he believes in.
just dont see why he tries to make the rest of us feel guilty.
some of us just dont care about others.


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somerfrost 12-11-2006 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by repent
checked your hero list Somer.
Bono was not there, but it was only a list of 5.

Im not saying he is bad.
He does a lot of good for the causes he believes in.
just dont see why he tries to make the rest of us feel guilty.
some of us just dont care about others.


Repent
He appeals to people's conscience...those that lack one shouldn't really care one way or the other! Yeah, he's on my list but not top 5...then again, he's not done yet so he may well end up higher!

ArlJim78 12-11-2006 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by repent
checked your hero list Somer.
Bono was not there, but it was only a list of 5.

Im not saying he is bad.
He does a lot of good for the causes he believes in.
just dont see why he tries to make the rest of us feel guilty.
some of us just dont care about others.

Repent
Ahhh, you offer such wonderful seasonal sentiments. A true inspiration.

btw, nice avatar change. A hero of yours I'm guessing?

blackthroatedwind 12-11-2006 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Jim, I was told today that he is just a very blunt individual that is hardly understood. So cut him a break. The bigotry, and other happy stuff such as the one you underlined is just a misunderstanding.
Oh, and aside from the Pearl Jam quote being very ironic considering his thoughts, the avatar is the icing on the cake. The whole point of American history X was that Derek, or whatever his name was realized how wrong his way of thinking was. Repent must have missed that whole other half of the movie.
I believe the song Rearviewmirror is about escaping an abusive father.

ArlJim78 12-11-2006 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Jim, I was told today that he is just a very blunt individual that is hardly understood. So cut him a break. The bigotry, and other happy stuff such as the one you underlined is just a misunderstanding.
Oh, and aside from the Pearl Jam quote being very ironic considering his thoughts, the avatar is the icing on the cake. The whole point of American history X was that Derek, or whatever his name was realized how wrong his way of thinking was. Repent must have missed that whole other half of the movie.
Oh really? well whereever you heard that from, I'm not buying it.

I think its hard to misunderstand comments like:
"lennon was a communist.
anyone who mourns his death is a communist sympathizer or worse.

if I was NYPD commissioner, Id arrest everyone of those freaks and at least put a scare into them.
just beat them a bit or deprive them of sleep, but something to straighten them out"

GenuineRisk 12-11-2006 02:28 PM
I thought Repent put Ed Norton up because he's cute and was really cut in that movie. The other guy he had up (the sensitive-looking 1970's-esque one) was cute, too (who is that, anyway? An athlete? Actor? What? I'm so dense about celebrities, if he is a celebrity).

ArlJim78 12-11-2006 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by GenuineRisk
I thought Repent put Ed Norton up because he's cute and was really cut in that movie. The other guy he had up (the sensitive-looking 1970's-esque one) was cute, too (who is that, anyway? An athlete? Actor? What? I'm so dense about celebrities, if he is a celebrity).
Yeah, he must be a big Ed Norton fan.

I liked him in Rounders as worm

GenuineRisk 12-11-2006 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
Yeah, he must be a big Ed Norton fan.

I liked him in Rounders as worm
I don't think I've seen "Rounders." I think he's a good actor but I didn't like him in "Red Dragon" because he was too young for the role.

Downthestretch55 12-11-2006 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by GenuineRisk
I don't think I've seen "Rounders." I think he's a good actor but I didn't like him in "Red Dragon" because he was too young for the role.
I'm a big fan of Norton. Not Ed...Ralph.
He and Jackie G sure gave me some laughs.
Like a few others around here.
Ralphie in the NYC sewers, Jackie drivin' the bus.
"Alice, you're going to the MOON!"

repent 12-13-2006 11:37 PM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I believe the song Rearviewmirror is about escaping an abusive father.
huh?

thats reading a little too much in to it I think.
Ive never heard them explain the songs origin, but it neve mentions anything about someone's father.
Alive is about a failed mother, but Rearviewmirror leaves a lot open to interpretation.


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repent 12-13-2006 11:39 PM
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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
Ahhh, you offer such wonderful seasonal sentiments. A true inspiration.

btw, nice avatar change. A hero of yours I'm guessing?
Ed Norton is not a hero.
A good actor for sure, but not a hero.
I just thought the pic looked cool.


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repent 12-13-2006 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by GenuineRisk
I thought Repent put Ed Norton up because he's cute and was really cut in that movie. The other guy he had up (the sensitive-looking 1970's-esque one) was cute, too (who is that, anyway? An athlete? Actor? What? I'm so dense about celebrities, if he is a celebrity).
The first avatar was of Eric Heiden.
personal hero of mine and my parents got my middle name from him.
won 5 individual gold medals in speed skating at the 1980 Winter Olympics in Lake Placid,NY.
grew up with stories of his greatness and thats a person I have always aspired to be like, although I fell way short.



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blackthroatedwind 12-14-2006 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by repent
huh?

thats reading a little too much in to it I think.
Ive never heard them explain the songs origin, but it neve mentions anything about someone's father.
Alive is about a failed mother, but Rearviewmirror leaves a lot open to interpretation.


Repent

It is 100% about leaving home and an abusive father. It's even obvious if you read the lyrics.

Alive is part of the mamason trilogy.....Once ( about a serial killer - the father ), Footsteps ( about the dude being on death row ) and Alive which is about the relationship between the surviving wife/mother and son.

repent 12-14-2006 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
It is 100% about leaving home and an abusive father. It's even obvious if you read the lyrics.

Alive is part of the mamason trilogy.....Once ( about a serial killer - the father ), Footsteps ( about the dude being on death row ) and Alive which is about the relationship between the surviving wife/mother and son.

perhaps you are one of those want to be insider guys who hangs out on pearl jam chat rooms and talks about this crap,
but from the lyrics alone, its not specific about what relationship(if any relationship) the song's theme is compromised of.
I dont even need to look at the lyrics to know that.
never mentions the word "father" at all.


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brianwspencer 12-14-2006 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Well said as usual. It is absolutely about leaving home, and an abusive parent. Read the lyrics. This is pointless.
Well said :)

Suzanne Vega's "Luka" never uses the words parent, child, or abuse, and it is unequivocally about a set of parents abusing their child.

Repent, your notion of how songwriting works is inherently flawed in insinuating that a song cannot be about something if that word is not literally in it.

Alanis Morissettes famous "You Oughta Know" is about an ex-boyfriend. It never, in the lyrics, says ex-boyfriend -- but any non-deaf nitwit could figure that out.

Need I continue?

brianwspencer 12-14-2006 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
No, I don't think anyone needs to. You are right, and seriously isn't that what's great about some songs, and writing in general. getting the point across by explaining a situation without saying: Dad did this. i was mad. That would be a great song I'm sure.

wow, now that i think about it -- this may be the ONE topic on which i am the board expert :D

ArlJim78 12-14-2006 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by brianwspencer
wow, now that i think about it -- this may be the ONE topic on which i am the board expert :D
Well congratulations then!:)

dixie is still far in the lead in terms of being the board expert in the most categories. They're too numerous for me to even try to list, but I'll bet DaHoss could give it a good whirl. Track bias is a given.

somerfrost 12-14-2006 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
No, I don't think anyone needs to. You are right, and seriously isn't that what's great about some songs, and writing in general. getting the point across by explaining a situation without saying: Dad did this. i was mad. That would be a great song I'm sure.

And was Puff the Magic Dragon just a children's song??

brianwspencer 12-14-2006 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
Well congratulations then!:)

dixie is still far in the lead in terms of being the board expert in the most categories. They're too numerous for me to even try to list, but I'll bet DaHoss could give it a good whirl. Track bias is a given.
well ya know, when many have been in the racing game for longer than i've been alive -- there is a modicum of humility on the big issues.

so i'll take what i can get. if songwriting is the one thing i can claim -- you better believe i'm going to claim it.

....since track bias is already taken.
:rolleyes:

ArlJim78 12-14-2006 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by brianwspencer
well ya know, when many have been in the racing game for longer than i've been alive -- there is a modicum of humility on the big issues.

so i'll take what i can get. if songwriting is the one thing i can claim -- you better believe i'm going to claim it.

....since track bias is already taken.
:rolleyes:
Hey, everyone has to find where they fit in and stake their claim.

I'm still looking for my place. I was striving for expert in the ways of sarcastic responses but the competition around here in that category is super tough. I've yet to crack the top five. :D

brianwspencer 12-14-2006 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
Hey, everyone has to find where they fit in and stake their claim.

I'm still looking for my place. I was striving for expert in the ways of sarcastic responses but the competition around here in that category is super tough. I've yet to crack the top five. :D
You speak the truth. This forum is drenched in sarcasm every hour of the day -- and has some people who are really damn good at it too!

blackthroatedwind 12-14-2006 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by repent
perhaps you are one of those want to be insider guys who hangs out on pearl jam chat rooms and talks about this crap,
but from the lyrics alone, its not specific about what relationship(if any relationship) the song's theme is compromised of.
I dont even need to look at the lyrics to know that.
never mentions the word "father" at all.


Repent
Because you aren't clever or smart enough to understand even the most simplistic of lyrics, geez dude " rearviewmirror " is as simple as it gets, you then resort to 3rd grade insults?

Pretty sad.

The funny thing is you are theoretically mocking someone for hanging out in a chat room....while YOU are in a chat room!!!!!!

repent 12-14-2006 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Because you aren't clever or smart enough to understand even the most simplistic of lyrics, geez dude " rearviewmirror " is as simple as it gets, you then resort to 3rd grade insults?

Pretty sad.

The funny thing is you are theoretically mocking someone for hanging out in a chat room....while YOU are in a chat room!!!!!!
has nothing to do with cleverness or smarts.
just not arrogant enough to read something into someone else's words.
they may be in fact talking about an abusive father, but there is certainly nothing in the lyrics that conclusively states that.

and there is a big difference btwn an internet horse racing forum and a band chat room.
not even close to the same thing.
have fun weirdo.


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timmgirvan 12-14-2006 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
Hey, everyone has to find where they fit in and stake their claim.

I'm still looking for my place. I was striving for expert in the ways of sarcastic responses but the competition around here in that category is super tough. I've yet to crack the top five. :D
AirJim: True Dat,Bro......btw...does Dixie need any well paid interns??

ArlJim78 12-14-2006 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by timmgirvan
AirJim: True Dat,Bro......btw...does Dixie need any well paid interns??
Not a bad idea, at the rates he is pulling down for what he does, I should be begging him to mentor me in his ways. I wouldn't mind sitting in the press box at Staples Center or the Polo Lounge in Beverly Hills, at even one third of his rate.

timmgirvan 12-14-2006 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
Not a bad idea, at the rates he is pulling down for what he does, I should be begging him to mentor me in his ways. I wouldn't mind sitting in the press box at Staples Center or the Polo Lounge in Beverly Hills, at even one third of his rate.
Shoot Man!!...I was hoping to be the SoCal rep!!:(

ArlJim78 12-14-2006 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by timmgirvan
Shoot Man!!...I was hoping to be the SoCal rep!!:(
Ok Ok, let's not get greedy, you can have SoCal.
There should be room for a few of us in the Dixie "you too can learn to be a legend" apprenticeship program.:D

timmgirvan 12-14-2006 05:05 PM
Where IS that guy when ya need him?

paisjpq 12-14-2006 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by timmgirvan
Where IS that guy when ya need him?
he's by the pool...you prolly aren't fit to shine the great one's shoes...:p

and Brian...music was my first major in college...I can give you a run.

brianwspencer 12-14-2006 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by paisjpq

and Brian...music was my first major in college...I can give you a run.
you're still just mad about the disparaging comments i've made about your handicapping in the 'week 3' thread :p

if you majored in music then you'd probably get me on the technical side of composition -- though i'm standing firm on the songwriting thing.

Shall there be a duel?

paisjpq 12-14-2006 05:34 PM
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you're still just mad about the disparaging comments i've made about your handicapping in the 'week 3' thread :p

if you majored in music then you'd probably get me on the technical side of composition -- though i'm standing firm on the songwriting thing.

Shall there be a duel?
I only kept it as my major for a year...so technically I am not real strong...had a scholarship to a music school in boston but they couldn't get me any housing...so I switched to my other love, the ponies...I was just giving you sh*t:p

brianwspencer 12-14-2006 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by paisjpq
I was just giving you sh*t:p
Darn.

The more I thought about it, the more I was looking forward to the songwriting duel.

Ho-hum, another time, another place perhaps.


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