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The Bid 12-06-2006 01:32 PM

Whatever happened to Margotta, his malibu is history and so is he

blackthroatedwind 12-06-2006 01:37 PM

He actually had a horse entered at Belmont ( I think it ran once or twice ) that had been racing in Phili.

I think he's not too popular with a lot of people ( at least in NY ) anymore.

The Bid 12-06-2006 01:38 PM

Why BTW, what happened to him, what did he do?

blackthroatedwind 12-06-2006 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bid
Why BTW, what happened to him, what did he do?

I can't really get into these things on the internet, and to be honest I don't know any specifics, but I have heard a few people say less than complimentary things.

I always got along with Tony, but I also wasn't involved with him financially, which perhaps might have made things different.

I'll say one thing, the trainer for that operation, when they used to win, was terrific. But as he wasn't listed I won't say his name.....I will leave that to Mike :D as I'm sure he won't be able to resist.

oracle80 12-06-2006 01:44 PM

He sold that horse he had entered who scratched named Tease. Shes in at laurel today in the 7th race.
He actually won some grade ones including the Whitney, Malibu, and that grade one grass race with Turk Passer.
That seems like a very long time ago.

oracle80 12-06-2006 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I can't really get into these things on the internet, and to be honest I don't know any specifics, but I have heard a few people say less than complimentary things.

I always got along with Tony, but I also wasn't involved with him financially, which perhaps might have made things different.

I'll say one thing, the trainer for that operation, when they used to win, was terrific. But as he wasn't listed I won't say his name.....I will leave that to Mike :D as I'm sure he won't be able to resist.

My mentor, Joe P, was the actual trainer. He did ALL THE TRAINING, he and the crack exercise guy named Finley Bishop.
Joe was incredible, they made a lot of private buys and made a fortune.
They bought one for 35 g's named something like Foreign Intrigue that they gelded and won two races with and then resold for 500 g's.
They had some other nice ones like Olympic cat and Tornado Cat and Copper Mount who won the NY Derby and Albany handicap.
Silver Fox(of the famous bar shoe off silver foxes) won a nice stakes race as well.
They went their own ways and the whole thing crumbled.
Anthony is training a couple now, I talk to him. He was out of the business for a long time and hes got a few horses now.
Lets just say the days of the fancy breakfast at the barn, the limos, the champagne parties etc are all gone.

The Bid 12-06-2006 01:53 PM

Does he have any good owners?

oracle80 12-06-2006 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bid
Does he have any good owners?

LOL!!!
Not that I know of.

The Bid 12-06-2006 01:57 PM

Three clowns

Hickory Hill Hoff 12-06-2006 03:25 PM

Who was the longshot that nearly beat HOUSEBUSTER in the Forego Stakes at Saratoga. After that effort he became a pretty good older sprinter (and decent sire) and won the Fall Highweight that year.

Hickory Hill Hoff 12-06-2006 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I think Groovy may have had a few trainers before Jose Martin. It's pretty amazing he ran in the Derby.

He finished last of 16, beaten almost 50 lengths. I had a postcard of that Derby rounding the first turn when he was in the lead, unfortunately it was another casualty of the flood at work. He also won a sprint stake at Finger Lakes and set a track record at the time. Who was in the irons that day?

blackthroatedwind 12-06-2006 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff
Who was the longshot that nearly beat HOUSEBUSTER in the Forego Stakes at Saratoga. After that effort he became a pretty good older sprinter (and decent sire) and won the Fall Highweight that year.


Senor Speedy.

blackthroatedwind 12-06-2006 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff
He finished last of 16, beaten almost 50 lengths. I had a postcard of that Derby rounding the first turn when he was in the lead, unfortunately it was another casualty of the flood at work. He also won a sprint stake at Finger Lakes and set a track record at the time. Who was in the irons that day?

Was Pumpkin Moonshine or Mr.Nickerson second at Finger lakes?

Don't know the rider....Kevin Whitley?

Hickory Hill Hoff 12-06-2006 03:39 PM

You must remember the great claiming trainer from the mid 80's - Oscar Barrera. When I starting playing in 1986, he was "the man". If Oscar claimed a horse, it would be a "mortal lock" next time out. He trained a critter named WICKED WIKE back in 1990. This ol' boy raced 120 times at age 8 with just 9 wins, but 30 second place finishes. Back then it seemed that horses ran more often and later in age, especially the cheaper claimers. Won a lot of money with the OSB "hot pink & black" silks!

oracle80 12-06-2006 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Was Pumpkin Moonshine or Mr.Nickerson second at Finger lakes?

Don't know the rider....Kevin Whitley?

It was Purple Mountain I believe, ole Woody Sedlacek almost pulled off the upset.

Hickory Hill Hoff 12-06-2006 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Was Pumpkin Moonshine or Mr.Nickerson second at Finger lakes?

Don't know the rider....Kevin Whitley?

Purple Mountain was second (he wasn't that bad either) and another oldie but goodie - VINNIE THE VIPER was third. The Budweiser Breeder's Cup Sprint was the only major stake race they ran there. A few year's later they gave it up to spread the money out for other races :rolleyes:
The jock aboard GROOVY that day still rides at the Lakes...JUILO PEZUA

blackthroatedwind 12-06-2006 03:47 PM

Yeah, I got Purple Mountain and Pumpkin Moonshine mixed up. Vinnie the Viper may have been Klesaris...at least I think he was at one time.

That sprint on Fourth of July weekend used to be a big event at Finger Lakes.

Here's one about Groovy.....he finished second in the second division of a split Gotham ( I think it was split ) in 1986 only to be disqualified. Who was the easy winner and what fradulent big race winner was placed second?

Hickory Hill Hoff 12-06-2006 03:49 PM

Anybody know what ever happen to these jockeys?
David Nuesch, Jerry Belmonte, E.T Baird

blackthroatedwind 12-06-2006 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff
Anybody know what ever happen to these jockeys?
David Nuesch, Jerry Belmonte, E.T Baird


Does anyone care?

Nuesch is riding somewhere I believe.

Hickory Hill Hoff 12-06-2006 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I think Groovy may have had a few trainers before Jose Martin. It's pretty amazing he ran in the Derby.

I can't believe they ran him back in the Preakness off that effort, that's something Mr.Lukas would do :D

Hickory Hill Hoff 12-06-2006 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Does anyone care?

Nuesch is riding somewhere I believe.

Well since were on this nostalgia kick...though I might ask dude!:cool:

You know this icon :cool: reminds me of you...in looks only!

KirisClown 12-06-2006 03:59 PM

What's the last Grade 1 to be run as a Non-Wagering Exhibition at a NYRA track? Who won it?

oracle80 12-06-2006 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Yeah, I got Purple Mountain and Pumpkin Moonshine mixed up. Vinnie the Viper may have been Klesaris...at least I think he was at one time.

That sprint on Fourth of July weekend used to be a big event at Finger Lakes.

Here's one about Groovy.....he finished second in the second division of a split Gotham ( I think it was split ) in 1986 only to be disqualified. Who was the easy winner and what fradulent big race winner was placed second?

Man, I remember that race, the winner himself was fraudulent!!! It was Mogambo always touted highly and trained by Jolley and owned by Brant I think.
Geez, the 2nd place horse was fraudulent as well?
Geez. I mean the Derby was won by Ferdinand that year and the Preak by SNow Chief, the Belmont by Danzig Connection. But I dont think Danzig Connection was in the Gotham because he got a VERY late start that year and barely made the belmont. Travers was won by Wise Times, but i don't think he was in the Gotham either. Hmm. The BC the previous year was won by Tasso, I know he lost in the Wood, it was the first Wood I ever went to. but I don't recall him in the Gotham.
WHo was it?

oracle80 12-06-2006 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by KirisClown
What's the last Grade 1 to be run as a Non-Wagering Exhibition at a NYRA track? Who won it?

It was the race that got cancelled when the trees went down I think at saratoga in 1988. They ran it the next day as an exhibition I think. Roses Cantina, Leroy Jolley, forget the owner, but wore purple silks, definitely purple silks. K mart sucks, I'm an excellent driver.

blackthroatedwind 12-06-2006 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by KirisClown
What's the last Grade 1 to be run as a Non-Wagering Exhibition at a NYRA track? Who won it?


The John Morris, in 1988, and some Leroy Jolley horse won. Her name escapes me right now but I think she had green and purple silks.

blackthroatedwind 12-06-2006 04:03 PM

Rose's Cantina?

KirisClown 12-06-2006 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by oracle80
It was the race that got cancelled when the trees went down I think at saratoga in 1988. They ran it the next day as an exhibition I think. Roses Cantina, Leroy Jolley, forget the owner, but wore purple silks, definitely purple silks. K mart sucks, I'm an excellent driver.

That's a good guess, but it was more recent than that....

blackthroatedwind 12-06-2006 04:04 PM

It was Tasso.

blackthroatedwind 12-06-2006 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by KirisClown
What's the last Grade 1 to be run as a Non-Wagering Exhibition at a NYRA track? Who won it?


You're right...it was the Beldame ( I think over the Ruffian ) and Heavenly Prize won!

KirisClown 12-06-2006 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
You're right...it was the Beldame ( I think over the Ruffian ) and Heavenly Prize won!

Nice job Andy... She won pretty easily over Educated Risk and Classy Mirage...

oracle80 12-06-2006 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
The John Morris, in 1988, and some Leroy Jolley horse won. Her name escapes me right now but I think she had green and purple silks.

How scary is it that you also remebered she had purple silks?

oracle80 12-06-2006 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
It was Tasso.

Wow, I really didnt remember that. I only remembered that Mogambo won the race.

oracle80 12-06-2006 04:14 PM

On a rainy day at saratoga in 1994 two female jockeys combined to win 7 races on the card. Julie Krone won 4, who was the other female jockey who won the other three races?

Downthestretch55 12-06-2006 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by oracle80
On a rainy day at saratoga in 1994 two female jockeys combined to win 7 races on the card. Julie Krone won 4, who was the other female jockey who won the other three races?

wild guess..probably wrong...Diane Nelson?

oracle80 12-06-2006 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Downthestretch55
wild guess..probably wrong...Diane Nelson?

I'm sorry sir but that is incorrect.

KirisClown 12-06-2006 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by oracle80
On a rainy day at saratoga in 1994 two female jockeys combined to win 7 races on the card. Julie Krone won 4, who was the other female jockey who won the other three races?

Donna Barton or Michelle Luttrell

oracle80 12-06-2006 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by KirisClown
Donna Barton or Michelle Luttrell

I'm sorry sir, also incorrect on both counts.
BTW will know.

oracle80 12-06-2006 04:32 PM

Here is a clue, she goes by Mrs. Gosden these days.

blackthroatedwind 12-06-2006 04:41 PM

Georgina Frost.

I'm more interested in the movie currently on IFC.

Linny 12-06-2006 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff
You must remember the great claiming trainer from the mid 80's - Oscar Barrera. When I starting playing in 1986, he was "the man". If Oscar claimed a horse, it would be a "mortal lock" next time out. He trained a critter named WICKED WIKE back in 1990. This ol' boy raced 120 times at age 8 with just 9 wins, but 30 second place finishes. Back then it seemed that horses ran more often and later in age, especially the cheaper claimers. Won a lot of money with the OSB "hot pink & black" silks!

How 'bout old Shify Sheik almost beating Slew O Gold out of the bonus for the Fall Series at Belmont! That was Oscar at his best.


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