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The Bid 12-03-2006 07:20 PM

OSU is about 21 points better than Florida, theyll win by 17

The Bid 12-03-2006 07:21 PM

Michigan may beat USC by over 14

timmgirvan 12-03-2006 07:21 PM

Scav: the way certain people are pumping up OSU, the line should be 9.5!

Scav 12-03-2006 07:25 PM

line is 7, and that line won't move at all, no way...

I'll tell you this, I absolutely LOVE Boise State(+8) to cover Oklahoma....possibly win the game

Scav 12-03-2006 07:28 PM

Wow, Pinny must be taking a ton of action on Ohio state because they just moved the line to 7.5

Boise State also dropped in down to getting 7.5

pgardn 12-03-2006 07:35 PM

Watch it on the OKlahoma game. OU may be the most improved team since the beginning of the season. And Adrian Peterson, the best RB in college football will play. I would really stay away from this game. Both ways.

timmgirvan 12-03-2006 07:37 PM

What color is the field gonna be?LOL

Scav 12-03-2006 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pgardn
Watch it on the OKlahoma game. OU may be the most improved team since the beginning of the season. And Adrian Peterson, the best RB in college football will play. I would really stay away from this game. Both ways.

1) Peterson isn't playing

2) Boise State wants to earn something, called RESPECT, they are going to play their rear ends off. Oklahoma is their for a paycheck, they can care less about the game

King Glorious 12-03-2006 08:53 PM

I think Michigan might be the second best team in the country. I don't think they should be playing for a title though. Two reasons. They had their one chance. In this system, u can't ask for more than your one chance. That's all the other teams were going to get and now Florida is going to get theirs. Second, what if u put Michigan in the title game and they beat OSU 35-32? How fair would that beat to OSU that Michigan would be crowned champion? It wouldn't be fair at all. OSU shouldn't have to beat Michigan twice to win it but if they split, they lose.

The most screwed team in the country this year was Oklahoma. They probably should be playing in the championship game if u ask me. According to the information on Yahoo's site, they started off the season #5 in the USA Today poll and #10 in the AP. The finished regular season #8 in USA Today and #7 in the AP. If they hadn't lost that game to Oregon, they would be right there in the hunt. And they didn't really lose that game. The Pac-10 admitted that their officials made the wrong call and issued a formal apology to Oklahoma. That loss dropped them to the mid-teens in the polls. Without it, they would definitely be right there. And this after losing the best running back in the country in Adrian Peterson after six games. With a healthy Peterson, who is going to be back for the Sooners' bowl game, I'd give them a better chance to beat OSU than either USC, Florida, or Michigan.

Charismatic1 12-03-2006 10:34 PM

Despite what some are seemingly professing to be fact, nobody can possibly know who is the second best team in the country. I never knew determining the SECOND best team in a sport was so damn important. Hell, it's hard enough to determine the best team, especially in college football. We shouldn't have a Title game this year. Ohio State clearly is the best team. Give the BCS credit for determining that. hehe.

Whether or not we believe Florida, or Michigan, or (insert team) deserved to play for the title, we have to realize the BCS coordinators COULD NOT allow Michigan and Ohio State to play for the title game. The commissioners claim that a playoff would deminish the weight and importance of the regular season, which they claim to be the most important regular season in sports. With this in mind, a rematch would make that BIG game two weeks ago in Columbus perfectly MEANINGLESS. If Michigan were to win, they'd both be 12-1 and 1-1 against each other, but Michigan would take the crown. So, the game that was touted as the biggest regular season confrontation in many a year had what kind of importance?? If this "game of the young century" is meaningless, so is the entire premise of the BCS' purpose. There is no way in hell the BCS officials will let that happen if they can help it. All I can say is, they are VERY lucky and happy Arkansas' Fish moronically fumbled that punt near the goalline, changing the entire complexion of the game. If that doesn't happen, WE WIN and get a playoff VERY soon.

I firmly believe Florida deserves a shot at the National Championship. I firmly believe Michigan deserves a shot at the National Championship. I also firmly believe that LSU, USC, Louisville, Wisconsin, Oklahoma, Wake Forest, and heck, even Arkansas, etc., deserve a shot at the National Title. That's the problem. In this modern era of parity in college football, two-loss seasons are often GREAT seasons. Yet, the structure now is NO different than 30 years ago when there was far greater disparity in the ranks. A "plus one" format will still be problematic. Which two-loss team do you choose? LSU, USC, Oklahoma? They all have arguments. Or would you take a one loss Louisville? (The nation would scream if Wisconsin got in for three Big 10 schools out of four.)

kenny p 12-04-2006 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav
I am guessing OSU is a 6pt favorite over Florida when Pinny opens it up

Pinnacle opens at OSU -7.5 Lsu -*.5

BellamyRd. 12-04-2006 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charismatic1
Despite what some are seemingly professing to be fact, nobody can possibly know who is the second best team in the country. I never knew determining the SECOND best team in a sport was so damn important. Hell, it's hard enough to determine the best team, especially in college football. We shouldn't have a Title game this year. Ohio State clearly is the best team. Give the BCS credit for determining that. hehe.

Whether or not we believe Florida, or Michigan, or (insert team) deserved to play for the title, we have to realize the BCS coordinators COULD NOT allow Michigan and Ohio State to play for the title game. The commissioners claim that a playoff would deminish the weight and importance of the regular season, which they claim to be the most important regular season in sports. With this in mind, a rematch would make that BIG game two weeks ago in Columbus perfectly MEANINGLESS. If Michigan were to win, they'd both be 12-1 and 1-1 against each other, but Michigan would take the crown. So, the game that was touted as the biggest regular season confrontation in many a year had what kind of importance?? If this "game of the young century" is meaningless, so is the entire premise of the BCS' purpose. There is no way in hell the BCS officials will let that happen if they can help it. All I can say is, they are VERY lucky and happy Arkansas' Fish moronically fumbled that punt near the goalline, changing the entire complexion of the game. If that doesn't happen, WE WIN and get a playoff VERY soon.

I firmly believe Florida deserves a shot at the National Championship. I firmly believe Michigan deserves a shot at the National Championship. I also firmly believe that LSU, USC, Louisville, Wisconsin, Oklahoma, Wake Forest, and heck, even Arkansas, etc., deserve a shot at the National Title. That's the problem. In this modern era of parity in college football, two-loss seasons are often GREAT seasons. Yet, the structure now is NO different than 30 years ago when there was far greater disparity in the ranks. A "plus one" format will still be problematic. Which two-loss team do you choose? LSU, USC, Oklahoma? They all have arguments. Or would you take a one loss Louisville? (The nation would scream if Wisconsin got in for three Big 10 schools out of four.)

you raise some good points
if we had an 8 game playoff
with the 6 conference champions of the BCS conferences
and 2 "wild-card" teams (the 2 highest ranked in the BCS polls)
it would be Ohio State, Florida, USC, Oklahoma, Wake Forest, Louisville
and then Michigan & LSU
then Boise State is screaming "what about us?"
if you took the top 4 in the BCS poll:
you'd get Ohio St, Florida, LSU, and Michigan
2 SEC's & 2 Big Ten's
then the other conferences are up in arms saying
"what about us?"
a 16 team would be too much though (IMO)
but something needs to be tweaked
I'd suggest unless you win a BCS conference
2 losses disqualify you, and a limit 2 teams per conference
so that would take out LSU and Wisconsin
and then you could add Boise to an 8 team playoff

Pointg5 12-04-2006 10:00 AM

I wish it was Mighigan, because I see them as giving the best chance to beat the Suckeyes, but it looks like the sweater vest man and his gang of thugs will get another National Championship...

2MinsToPost 12-04-2006 11:10 AM

In my humble opinion one of the biggest flaws with College Sports is this stupidity called preseason polls.

It depends, on whether Ohio State wins or if the game is close, on which Ohio State team shows up to play. If you go back and look at some of their games this year against mediocre teams at best, in particular their performance in the first half, you will see that they are a beatable team.

I am no fan of Ohio State and I live 15 minutes from the Campus. It is the fans of the Buckeyes that turn me off so much on this team - try living in Columbus, Ohio. Around here, everything about Ohio State is over-stated.

Come on Florida, win this baby so I don't have to hear about the possibility of Ohio State accomplishing what you will already have done - hold Championships in the same year in Basketball and Football.

Cajungator26 12-04-2006 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2MinsToPost
In my humble opinion one of the biggest flaws with College Sports is this stupidity called preseason polls.

It depends, on whether Ohio State wins or if the game is close, on which Ohio State team shows up to play. If you go back and look at some of their games this year against mediocre teams at best, in particular their performance in the first half, you will see that they are a beatable team.

I am no fan of Ohio State and I live 15 minutes from the Campus. It is the fans of the Buckeyes that turn me off so much on this team - try living in Columbus, Ohio. Around here, everything about Ohio State is over-stated.

Come on Florida, win this baby so I don't have to hear about the possibility of Ohio State accomplishing what you will already have done - hold Championships in the same year in Basketball and Football.

I'm in the same boat as you, Curt... I would love to see Florida beat them. It's going to be a tough game for us... if we can get healthy, we might have a legit shot. I'm just excited that we made it as far as we did. :)

Cajungator26 12-04-2006 11:59 AM

I should also state that I firmly believe that on a neutral field, Michigan would have beaten OSU. I was torn over what I thought should have happened and I think that it sucks that Michigan didn't get another shot at the Buckeyes.

BellamyRd. 12-04-2006 12:22 PM

Urban Meyer's initials are UM
Carr has too much class to campaign
so now he has to tell his team
"looks like California baby!"
Meyer lives a charmed life
he went undefeated w/ Utah
the same year they got rid of Zook
gets the #1 recruiting class at UF
and now plays for the NC
don't forget many of these guys
were on the team last year
when Bama spanked them 31-3
but he's played 27 freshman
51 days off makes you fat
the FLA freshman burn them
and pull off a shocking upset!

Scav 12-04-2006 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cajungator26
I'm in the same boat as you, Curt... I would love to see Florida beat them. It's going to be a tough game for us... if we can get healthy, we might have a legit shot. I'm just excited that we made it as far as we did. :)

How can't you guys get healthly, the game is 30 days from now, all muscle strains should be completely cool by then

Cajungator26 12-04-2006 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav
How can't you guys get healthly, the game is 30 days from now, all muscle strains should be completely cool by then

I don't know a lot about muscle strains and the time it takes to heal them, so I'll take your word on it... I just know that Arkansas was on a mission to injure our players. Bunch of BS if you ask me... :mad:

Scav 12-04-2006 01:08 PM

If their was a playoff, there would be none of that

EpBurns 12-04-2006 01:56 PM

I dont blame the people for picking Fla to play in the game but come on if anyone in there right mind thinks that Fla will beat OSU your crazy this game won't be close, Fla too mistake prone to even hang around, this game will be over before halftime, 51 days of rest isnt so bad after you have played since August, I remember when we played in a bowl game the coaches take this time like another spring practice, you get your young players some reps and let the veterans have some time off they wont get fat but they will be ready to play for all the marbles come 1/8/07 OSU is just to good for this team at this time IMHO. OSU 41 Fla 17

ddthetide 12-04-2006 07:17 PM

Florida should be playing for the NC because they won the SEC. conference champs against each other. michigan had thier chance and blew it. gators also played 9 teams going bowling. i think? 4 of those teams were top 10 at the time they played.
Florida WILL give osu all they can handle because, osu has NOT played a team as fast as the gators. the gators CAN win.

pgardn 12-04-2006 07:42 PM

OSU is the better team.

But Florida has twice the speed of any team OSU has faced. Florida is the fastest team in college football. The overall athletic talent on the Florida team is huge. I just dont think they have it together quite yet. And that freshman they have is the next Reggie Bush.

They are much faster than OSU at every skill position with the exception of QB which is THE POSITION. But they are not a better team. Yes, their CBacks are faster than Ted Ginn. And Florida's receivers are lighting.

The only other team with more athletic talent than Florida is LSU. And they are not faster, just better football players. Watch how many of the kids off both these teams go as Corners safeties and wideouts in the future.

pgardn 12-04-2006 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav
1) Peterson isn't playing

2) Boise State wants to earn something, called RESPECT, they are going to play their rear ends off. Oklahoma is their for a paycheck, they can care less about the game

Where did you get #1 scavs? I would appreciate the story, I thought he was playing...

sham 12-04-2006 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pgardn
OSU is the better team.

But Florida has twice the speed of any team OSU has faced. Florida is the fastest team in college football. The overall athletic talent on the Florida team is huge. I just dont think they have it together quite yet. And that freshman they have is the next Reggie Bush.

They are much faster than OSU at every skill position with the exception of QB which is THE POSITION. But they are not a better team. Yes, their CBacks are faster than Ted Ginn. And Florida's receivers are lighting.

The only other team with more athletic talent than Florida is LSU. And they are not faster, just better football players. Watch how many of the kids off both these teams go as Corners safeties and wideouts in the future.

And Auburn (my alma mater) beat both of them. Don't know why they blew the Georgia game or they would be in the mix. Can't help but wonder if Auburn was in Florida's position if the system would have nixed them again. Two years ago Auburn went 13-0 in the SEC and did not get to play in the big game.

31lengths 12-04-2006 08:18 PM

I think they got it wrong. The only team that can beat Ohio State is Michigan.
Woulda been a better game.

I see the big 10...er 11 going to 2 divisions and a championship game. Its the only thing keeping Michigan out. That and people didnt want a rematch?
Common. It's gonna happen more often .

Not just the BCS but ALL voting outlets is just a scam. It's no different than judging ice skating in the Olympics. I know it's been done this way since before we were all born but times have changed.

A play-off is the answer. A final four . The 2 major bowls as the semi's. 1 vs 4 and 2 vs 3. Then the finals. Very doable. without even extending the season.

Scav 12-04-2006 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pgardn
Where did you get #1 scavs? I would appreciate the story, I thought he was playing...

I was wrong, that was for the Big 12 Title game......honestly, I doubt he plays, strictly becuase of the Willis McGahee theory, he could cost himself millions for playing in a meaningless game, he is already a top 5 pick, and not going to be #1......

BellamyRd. 12-04-2006 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sham
And Auburn (my alma mater) beat both of them. Don't know why they blew the Georgia game or they would be in the mix. Can't help but wonder if Auburn was in Florida's position if the system would have nixed them again. Two years ago Auburn went 13-0 in the SEC and did not get to play in the big game.

well, a hint why they lost to UGA is the barn blows!
sham is the right name for you,
auburn, the ultimate second-fiddle

Cajungator26 12-04-2006 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BellamyRd.
well, a hint why they lost to UGA is the barn blows!
sham is the right name for you,
auburn, the ultimate second-fiddle

LMFAO!!! I love it!!! I can't stand Auburn... sorry. I'll roll with the tide, but Auburn? PASS! :D

sham 12-05-2006 12:01 AM

The old War Eagles have done fairly well over the years. Here is a listing of the all time best college football programs based on final season rankings in the polls:

http://www.cfrc.com/Archives/Top_Programs_2005.htm

dr. fager 12-05-2006 07:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sham
The old War Eagles have done fairly well over the years. Here is a listing of the all time best college football programs based on final season rankings in the polls:

http://www.cfrc.com/Archives/Top_Programs_2005.htm

How big a fan can you be when you say "War Eagles"....LOL

"The battle cry "War Eagle" should never have an "s" on the end of it."
http://auburntigers.cstv.com/trads/a...-nickname.html


...the only reason I knew was I read this last summer on the UM Blog....the Tide/Tiger fans are spirited I'll give them that.
http://michiganzone.blogspot.com/200...niversity.html

BellamyRd. 12-05-2006 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sham
The old War Eagles have done fairly well over the years. Here is a listing of the all time best college football programs based on final season rankings in the polls:

http://www.cfrc.com/Archives/Top_Programs_2005.htm

how's your antique 1957 national championship telephone holding up after all these years?...in a month it'll be 50!

well, that's good, gives ya'll a reason to call for a square dance
and roll the town's trees with toilet paper
the basic concept of that is to do it to someone you don't like
not to yourselves~but whatever floats you guy's boat

sham 12-05-2006 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BellamyRd.
how's your antique 1957 national championship telephone holding up after all these years?...in a month it'll be 50!

well, that's good, gives ya'll a reason to call for a square dance
and roll the town's trees with toilet paper
the basic concept of that is to do it to someone you don't like
not to yourselves~but whatever floats you guy's boat

Being new here, I have no idea which college banner you wave. Do you have a degree from any university, or are you one of those people that pulls for a team even though you couldn't find the campus on a map? Your profile indicates that you live in Kentucky. Maybe you better stick to basketball. Now go muck your stalls.

Cajungator26 12-05-2006 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sham
Being new here, I have no idea which college banner you wave. Do you have a degree from any university, or are you one of those people that pulls for a team even though you couldn't find the campus on a map? Your profile indicates that you live in Kentucky. Maybe you better stick to basketball. Now go muck your stalls.

If you couldn't tell, he's an Alabama grad. ;)

Something tells me that he's well aware that the Bama campus is in Tuscaloosa. Lucky for you, it's easy to figure out where Auburn is located. :eek:

BellamyRd. 12-05-2006 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sham
Being new here, I have no idea which college banner you wave. Do you have a degree from any university, or are you one of those people that pulls for a team even though you couldn't find the campus on a map? Your profile indicates that you live in Kentucky. Maybe you better stick to basketball. Now go muck your stalls.

ok, I'll play nice since you're new here
just my duty to give barners a hard time
University of Alabama (1992-1996)
muck stalls?
people in AL all know:
Alabama= Culture, auburn = agriculture;)

sham 12-05-2006 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BellamyRd.
ok, I'll play nice since you're new here
just my duty to give barners a hard time
University of Alabama (1992-1996)
muck stalls?
people in AL all know:
Alabama= Culture, auburn = agriculture;)

Well now, I don't mind at all being attacked by a fellow arch rival. That's what we are supposed to do. It's in the genes! :D BTW, I'm a Bama fan as a back-up and I live in Florida and hope they do well each year. Spurrier was "the man" as far as I'm concerned. Glad he left because it was getting really old trying to beat him. I was really disappointed by the Mike Shula firing at Alabama. Thought he should have gotten one more year. And for the record, FL will give OSU all they want. If the line stays like it is, I'm going FL. I also like LSU to soundly defeat ND. A big mismatch in my opinion.

ddthetide 12-05-2006 04:59 PM

BR,
way to bust the barner.
i've been away and missed a good thread.
let's find a coach and go beat the pokes in the independence bowl.

RTR


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