Mike,

First don't eliminate teams becuase they lose a game at home during the regular season (LSU lost to Gators at home in '04 and came back and co-shares the title with USC)

Next - I agree the "best two teams should play in the title game"

USC lost to Oregeon St not exactly Ohio St - I can't see how any computer or human could put them in that game over Mich.

ND - Blowout loss to MICH at home - The voters will never put them ahead of ND in the polls and that is 2/3 rd's BCS

Arkansas need ND to beat USC to have any chance. (arkansas only loss they were not 100% in the opener against USC)

Florida - if it beats FSU and beats Ark in the SEC is the only other team besides Mich that should get to play Ohio St

I'm of the opinion if there are just two slots in the championship game...then the two representatives should be from different conferences, or two conference champions, Michigan was not a conference champion...they can run the table next year with OSU in Ann Arbor and a Hart & Henne return

If the OSU-Michigan game was in Michigan then I'd absolutely agree that the national championship game should not be between two teams from the same conference. With the game being at Ohio St though and Michigan only losing by 3 I don't think it is very fair for them to be excluded if they finish second in their conference but lost by less of a margin than home field advantage accounts for.

do the computers take points into account?
now Michigan did score a late TD and two-point conversion
Florida was down by 4 to auburn and did that dumb
"let's pass the ball to each other" ala Cal-Stanford
allowing auburn to score a TD on a fumble to win by 10 (not 4)
you never know, the late Michigan TD, and UF foolishness
could make the slight difference in who gets #2
but I'd still maintain it should be two conference champions
IF there are only two spots
if you want to make a playoff with 4, 8, 16 teams~then whatever

Nope, computers ignore the margin of victory. 16 team playoff with the first two rounds played the two weeks following Thanksgiving at the site of the higher seed is the way to go. Then the final four at a bowl site on January 1st and the championship game a week later. That gives them a nice long break and would allow the 12 teams eliminated before the final four to still get a bowl game.

Mike you told me you were watching the "iron Bowl" that day so you didn't see the game in question. Dude, you know how I feel about people talking about a race they didn't even see, I feel the same way about games.
I saw the Fla-Auburn game, I saw the LSU-Bama game, I saw the USC- Cal game this past week, etc.
The Ohio ST -Mich game was a display of power by both squads. IMO the level they played at, both teams, would squash any of the other teams being mentioned.

Usc Vs Ohio State, It Will Be Glorious

wait what are we debating?
the strength of Ohio State? or that there should be a rematch?
I'm saying Arkansas can't beat both LSU and Florida in consecutive weeks
I saw most of the OSU-Mich anyway, because I was so disheartened by
the way my team was playing
anyhow, my opinion is there should not be a rematch, Arkansas is a 2-3 loss team, and SC is young and talented and will give ND a real tussle
oh and OSU couldn't beat LSU and UF on the same day

If you are an OSU fan, yeah it will be.
If you are a USC fan not so much. I've seen both play, and it will be a bloodbath. OSU is better at all positions, and on the lines just so much better its not funny. They'd push USC's line around like rag dolls.

Dude,
What game were you watching.
I'm not kidding, OSU could beat an allstar team from both the LSU-Fla squads on the road.
Fla sure looked highly impressive beating South Carolina at home by a point because SC botched the field goal didn't they?
How about LSu having to go to OT at home to beat Miss?
Dude, you are WAY out there on this one.

see Illinois game (2-10)

Had one on Saturday, these Jump Starts can really run.
17 winners so far in his first crop, not one of them out of a mare you ever heard of.
They wanna go long, and are only going to get better.
Forget the football games and betting, just take that spare cash and go and buy some Jump Starts and give em to your main man out there.

Real fair Oracle?

Ohio St. goes 2-0 vs. Michigan and wins Nat. Championship
Michigan goes 1-1 vs. Ohio State and wins Nat. Championship.

No way. MOve on.

Next. Ohio St. really outplayed them badly despite the score. I thought Michigan's defense got ripped. Next please. USC or Florida , West Virginia or even Arkansas (not even close to the same team that got trounced by USC 1st game) I would even accept ND, dont think they beat USC though.

BUT NOT MICHIGAN AGAIN. ITS DONE.

playoffs, will we ever see them in my lifetime...

the reason the rematch should be null and void is we don't know the strength of the Big Ten~ it looks top-heavy to me with OSU, Michigan & Wisconsin: and OSU didn't even play Wisconsin, The SEC has 5 teams in the BCS top 15!

So you think the Florida Florida St rematch was unfair?
Only thing that woulda been unfair that year woulda been Florida losing the championship due to a narrow road loss vs FSU. They were the two best teams, they rematched on a neutral field, and Florida pounded the hell out of them.
Very deserving national champs they were.
I'm sorry but regualr season games aren't played on a neutral site.
You obviously don't realize the 3-4 point advantage given by vegas(if they don't know, who does?) to the home team. Any road loss falling within that margin of error is conisidred close enough to have the game designated as one that neither team distinguished superiority.
Its not like NFL playoff football, where the home team in playoffs has earned it by superior regualr season record, its simply an every other year swap thing.
One question Pgard, I'll give you three matchups
OSU- Florida
OSU-USC
OSU- Michigan

which game has the closest vegas spread between the teams?

I thought the FSU deal was unfair
college gives you home field advantage one year, and away the next
if you get beat away, wait until next year
plus why does Vegas have any say in the National Championship?
OSU could not have gone through this minefield:
at Tennessee
Alabama
LSU
at auburn
UGA
SEC Championship: vs. Arkansas
without suffering a loss, no way

Bcs
 

Anyone but Notre Dame. Beating up on the three service acadamies should get you nothing in return. Man up join a real conference Notre Dame.

Yeah they could have.
Tennesee? Just ok
Same with Auburn and LSU.
Georgia? not even as good as the other three.
Arkansas probably best of the bunch you named.

Answer my question, which matchup has the closest spread.

Depends on how badly Florida trashes ARkansas or USc dismantles ND. If USC destroys ND it would be USC.

And what the hell does the spread have to do with anything? You rate Michigan highly for one major reason, they destroyed Notre Dame in South Bend. Michigan has played one really tough team, Ohio State. The Big 10 is BAD. I had them ranked as the toughest conference at the beginnng but I have seen too much on TV. As much as I hate to admit it because I am not a big fan of the pac-10 but...
1. SEC
2. Pac-10

I have watched many of these games and this is apparent to me. The other major conferences are about the same level.
I will also add that if ND crushes USC, I would like to see them against OSU. I just dont think thats gonna happen. If it does, and Florida does not look good against Ark. in the SEC title game. OSU-ND. Problem is as we look thru a season as a whole, in hindsight it is clear ND schedule was not nearly as tough as I thought it was going to be. And they got away with some really lucky wins against bad teams, Mich St. and UCLA.

LSU is the best team I personally have seen. They have not played the best football though.

Dude this is ridiculous.
Georgia tech on the Road.
USC on the road.
Mich St on the Road.
Michigan home.
Penn St home

Thats a tougher schedule than most teams. Obviously the SEC is hardest, but ND's schedule contains enough tough games to certainly call it no joke.
I guess playing arizona and zona st, the oregons, etc is a real toughy huh?
pac 10 is the weakest conference going.

I'm the biggest ND fan out there, and that being said placing them in the title game over Michigan would be an embarassment to all sports.
Michigan humiliated ND at the Golden Dome. No way in hell can anyone, not even a ND fan like me, justify that crap.
When you lose shouldnt matter, where you lose and who you lose to and how you lose should.
How the **** do you place ND with a home loss against Mich in over Mich who has a road loss by a field goal to number one?
Thats gotta be the stupidest thing I ever heard, and you are talking to a guy with ND stuff on his wall, Pgard, my cell phone plays the ND fight song when it rings, I'm not kidding you, I downloaded it.
But I'm no biased guy, I want ND and Weis to win a championship so very badly, I can taste it. But I don't want a tainted one, I want one where we are the best and earn it on the field. I don't want one wheer we go into a game where we don't belong and everyone says its bull****.
I want ND to earn one, just like your team did last year, Texas. I want a real one that they earn. ND has no business being in a game above Mich, none.

By the way, I can understand the argument for Florida they win the SEC and finish with only one loss, a road loss to a decent Auburn team,
I can understand that, even iF I disagree, because of how hard it is for SEC teams with that tough schedule.
I cannot understand ND, and worst of all is the USC argument.
This is insane, it really is.
Of those one loss teams, the worst loss anybody took was USC's. Should we pretend they didn't get beat by an unranked team?
Fla's loss was to Auburn, ND's to Mich, USC's was to the school for the blind.
This is utter nonsense.

this coming from a guy who probably hasnt even stepped on to a football field

I would also contend that OSU had the luxary of playing in a weak Big 10, didn't even have to play the third best team in the league, AND does not even have a conference championship game~ I mean WTF!
One Big Ten team, that's it, if it's two then it'll be a real travesty, a sham, a mockery of the highest proportions imaginable

And this coming from a guy who has a shrine on his wall to his rejection letter from dean Smith after making a personal plea to let him play Basketball at Carolina. Your lucky he wrote you that nice rejection letter you have framed, rather than call the guys with the white coats and butterfly nets.

Ok bellamy, lemme ask you this. If they did have a championship game it would still be those two at a neutral site, what would you suggest should happen if such a thing did exist and Mich won the neutral site game? Which one goes?
Mich gets penalized for a lack of game, not helped.

I mean hey its from Dean Smith, ive also inquired on how I could be eligilble for the NBA draft when I was at UW

I wonder what will come first. This or I-69 from Indy to Houston, TX.

No wonder you don't answer. Just remember I don't hear that ring on the other end.

Got a letter from Bob Knight once for winning the Basketball Sectional in HS.

Got a letter once from Sam Carmichael (IU's Golf Coach) for congratuating me on making the State Tournament in Golf, just to be told later on in the Summer in a face-to-face meeting ,that I wouldn't be good enough to make the team.

OUch.

How old are you Seattle? Dean Smith was still coaching when you played HS ball? Or you just sent a letter to Dean Smith to tell Matt Dough et al. to let you play?

that would actually make sense
if UM won, then you could justify a rubber match

i was a sophmore in HS when I sent the letter, come to think of it it was his last year of coaching. WHen I graduated HS in 99 Guthridge was already the head coach.

I am not the expert on football as all you other guys but I did play the game for a bit....
USC is going to kill ND, USC d is alot better then people give them credit for and remember they are a young team that is going to get better with time and they will give Ohio State everything they can handle if they make the title game,
Arkansas no way they should play for the title they lost to USC early in the year 50-14 I repeat 50-14 that right there takes them out of the picture in my mind
Fla- been slinking by all year is a over rated SEC simple as that
ND-come on they won more wars against our military in one year then the whole world has won ever gimme a break didnt Michigan beat them like a drum
Michigan- I am in favor of a rematch on a neutral field they deserve it more then the rest in my opinion....
Just my 2 cents
but this Saturday night USC will beat ND like a drum I will go on record as something like 38-7 and I open myself up for all kinds of sh-t talking hahaha but also remember my picks come with one caveat I have'nt hit a bet on CFB since Bo was coaching Michigan hahahaha

Dude, you always call when I'm on the other line. I deal with sociopaths and lunatics all day long. The other night when you called I saw you beep through, but iwas explaining to some lunatic who wanted 8 times what a horse was worth why I thought he needed counseling.

mike in my opinion


usc vs mich - line would be pick'em on a neutral site (vegas takes away 3 points cause of llyod carr and his staff)

USC and MICH both favored over Florida by 3 - 5 points

All on a neutral field of course

Oh my Lord.

Seattle you poor guy. I live in a town where many ex-NBAers have sons that are HS all stars, very good college players, and the Spurs wont even give them a second look, with inside help. When guys like Tony Parker are taken deep into the draft... ahh to dream.

I seriously could get you to see the Spurs workout one time and if you got one look at how fast, Oh jeez. These guys are fantatastic athletes. Have you ever played pickup with any pro players? Lord these are the best all-around athletes in the world.

If you are that good they will find you, I promise.

does Seattle fall into this category?
Seattle... Seattle... we need some game film.

Actually Seattle provides comic relief. he actually did walk into his athletic department and ask the poor AD how to declare himself for the NBA draft, hes not making that up. He gives new meaning to the word delusional.
Hes also said its his parents fault that he has this sad lot in life, he says that had they paid for golf lessons that he would be on the PGA tour making millions.

if I were a foot shorter I'd be Jerry Bailey
and if I were a foot taller I'd be Jerry Stackhouse
damn being 5'9! damn my genetically poor ancestry!