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Alabama Stakes 08-24-2016 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 1074708)
Summertime Oaks/Hollywood Oaks
2011 Plum Pretty - 93 BSF
2016 Songbird - 97

CCA Oaks
2011 Plum Pretty - 96
2016 Songbird - 101

Alabama
2011 Plum Pretty - 83
2016 Songbird - 95

Real shocker ! :rolleyes:

TouchOfGrey 08-24-2016 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 1074670)
The Travers will be broadcast live on NBC in a 90-minute broadcast beginning at 4:30 p.m. Eastern. Post time for the Travers is scheduled for 5:44 p.m.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TouchOfGrey (Post 1074707)
I see in the TV listings that Saratoga Live will air from 2:00pm to 4:30pm, so at least we'll have their coverage of the undercard.


The overnight is out. The Balliston Spa is slated to go off at 6:20pm. Too bad the return of Lady Eli won't make the National broadcasts.

Indian Charlie 08-24-2016 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 1074708)
Summertime Oaks/Hollywood Oaks
2011 Plum Pretty - 93 BSF
2016 Songbird - 97

CCA Oaks
2011 Plum Pretty - 96
2016 Songbird - 101

Alabama
2011 Plum Pretty - 83
2016 Songbird - 95

You forgot to compensate for the respective trainers.

Kasept 08-25-2016 05:23 AM

6TH (2:23) Personal Ensign S. (G1)

1 1/8 Miles | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $750,000

1 1 I'm a Chatterbox Geroux F Jones J Larry 123 L 4-1
2 2 Curalina Velazquez J R Pletcher Todd A 123 L 9-5
3 3 Forever Unbridled Rosario J Stewart Dallas 121 L 7-2
4 4 Paid Up Subscriber Santana R Jr Stall Albert M Jr 119 L 10-1
5 5 Cavorting Castellano J J McLaughlin Kiaran P 121 L 2-1

Exacta, Trifecta (.50), Super (.10), Pick 3 Races (6-8) $250K GTD Pick 6 Races (6-11), Double Wagers



7TH (2:59) Ballerina S. (G1)

7 Furlongs | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $500,000

1 1 Birdatthewire Alvarado J Romans Dale 121 Blk-Off L 15-1
2 2 By the Moon Castellano J J Nevin Michelle 119 L 6-1
3 3 Paulassilverlining Ortiz J L Nevin Michelle 119 L 4-1
4 4 Sheer Drama Bravo J Fawkes David 124 L 5-1
5 5 Sarah Sis Geroux F Mason Ingrid 119 L 20-1
6 6 Linda Linda (CHI) Lezcano J Correas Ignacio IV 121 L 30-1
7 7 Spelling Again Saez L Cox Brad H 121 L 12-1
8 8 Wavell Avenue Ortiz I Jr Brown Chad C 121 L 3-1
9 9 Carina Mia Rosario J Mott William I 120 L 7-2
10 10 Haveyougoneaway Velazquez J R Morley Thomas 121 L 10-1

Exacta, Trifecta (.50), Super (.10), Pick 3 Races (7-9), Double Wagers



8TH (3:35) Ketel One King's Bishop S. (G1)

7 Furlongs | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $500,000

1 1 Economic Model Ortiz I Jr Brown Chad C 117 Blk-On L 6-1
2 2 Fish Trappe Road Saez L Calhoun W. B 119 L 8-1
3 3 Summer Revolution Castellano J J Rodriguez Rudy R 117 L 6-1
4 4 Tale of S'avall Franco M Tagg Barclay 117 L 30-1
5 5 Bird Song Ortiz J L Wilkes Ian R 117 L 30-1
6 6 Mohaymen Alvarado J McLaughlin Kiaran P 123 L 5-1
7 7 Star Hill Geroux F Arnold George R II 117 Blk-On L 20-1
8 8 Mind Your Biscuits Velazquez J R Falcone, Jr. R N 121 L 15-1
9 9 Jazzy Times Bejarano R Baffert Bob 117 Blk-Off L 8-1
10 10 Rated R Superstar Velasquez C McPeek Kenneth G 119 20-1
11 11 Noholdingback Bear Da Silva E R DePaulo Michael P 117 L 10-1
12 12 Tom's Ready Rosario J Stewart Dallas 121 L 12-1
13 13 Drefong Smith M E Baffert Bob 117 L 4-1

Exacta, Trifecta (.50), Super (.10), Pick 3 Races (8-10) $1Million GTD Pick 4 (.50) Races (8-11), Double Wagers



9TH (4:12) Priority One Jets Forego S. (G1)

7 Furlongs | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $700,000

1 1 Catalina Red Saez L Navarro Jorge 122 L 8-1
2 2 Chief Lion Geroux F Jacobson David 118 L 10-1
3 3 Limousine Liberal Castellano J J Colebrook Ben 118 L 15-1
4 4 The Truth Or Else Santana R Jr McPeek Kenneth G 118 L 30-1
5 5 Anchor Down Ortiz J L Pletcher Todd A 120 L 10-1
6 6 Tamarkuz Smith M E McLaughlin Kiaran P 118 L 15-1
7 7 Schivarelli Bejarano R Kenneally Eddie 118 L 20-1
8 8 Stallwalkin' Dude Ortiz I Jr Jacobson David 118 L 8-1
9 9 Ready for Rye Velazquez J R Albertrani Thomas 118 L 10-1
10 10 Dannie's Deceiver Franco M Cannizzo David A 118 L 30-1
11 11 A. P. Indian Bravo J Delacour Arnaud 124 L 5-2
12 12 Marking Rosario J McLaughlin Kiaran P 118 L 3-1

Exacta, Trifecta (.50), Super (.10), Pick 3 Races (9-11) Grand Slam Races (9-12), Double Wagers



10TH (4:49) Longines Sword Dancer S. (G1)

1 1/2 Miles (Inner turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $1,000,000

1 1 Grand Tito Ortiz J L Delgado Gustavo 120 L 8-1
2 2 Money Multiplier Ortiz I Jr Brown Chad C 116 L 8-1
3 3 Roman Approval Geroux F Maker Michael J 116 L 20-1
4 4 Twilight Eclipse Velazquez J R Albertrani Thomas 122 L 10-1
5 5 Inordinate Gryder A T Brown Chad C 116 L 30-1
6 6 Flintshire (GB) Castellano J J Brown Chad C 124 L 1-5
7 7 Applicator Reyes L Yanakov Mikhail 108 L 30-1

Exacta, Trifecta (.50), Super (.10), Pick 3 Races (10-12) Pick 4 (.50) Races (10-13), Double Wagers .NO SHOW WAGERING



11TH (5:44) Travers S. (G1)

1 1/4 Miles | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $1,250,000

1 1 Arrogate Smith M E Baffert Bob 126 L 10-1
2 2 American Freedom Bejarano R Baffert Bob 126 Blk-Off L 6-1
3 3 My Man Sam Franco M Brown Chad C 126 L 20-1
4 4 Governor Malibu Rosario J Clement Christophe 126 L 12-1
5 5 Forever d'Oro Saez L Stewart Dallas 126 L 30-1
6 6 Anaximandros Reyes L Yanakov Mikhail 126 L 50-1
7 7 Exaggerator Desormeaux K J Desormeaux J Keith 126 L 3-1
8 8 Destin Castellano J J Pletcher Todd A 126 L 10-1
9 9 Gift Box Alvarado J Brown Chad C 126 L 12-1
10 10 Connect Velazquez J R Brown Chad C 126 L 4-1
11 11 Majesto Santana R Jr Delgado Gustavo 126 Blk-On L 30-1
12 12 Creator Ortiz I Jr Asmussen Steven M 126 L 15-1
13 13 Laoban Ortiz J L Guillot Eric 126 L 15-1
14 14 Gun Runner Geroux F Asmussen Steven M 126 L 10-1

Exacta, Trifecta (.50), Super (.10), Pick 3 Races (11-13), Double Wagers



12TH (6:20) Woodford Reserve Ballston Spa S. (G2)

1 1/16 Miles (Turf) | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $400,000

1 1 Sweet Acclaim (IRE) Geroux F Cox Brad H 117 L 20-1
2 2 Excilly (GB) Saez L Dascombe Thomas 117 L 20-1
3 3 Lady Eli Ortiz I Jr Brown Chad C 121 L 1-1
4 4 Sympathy Gryder A T Brown Chad C 117 L 50-1
5 5 Sentiero Italia Rosario J McLaughlin Kiaran P 121 L 9-2
6 6 Strike Charmer Alvarado J Hennig Mark 119 L 20-1
7 7 Onus Ortiz J L McGaughey III C R 119 L 12-1
8 8 Miss Temple City Van Dyke D Motion H Graham 123 L 2-1

Exacta, Trifecta (.50), Super (.10), Double Wagers

freddymo 08-25-2016 06:31 AM

so the trainer is part of the which filly is faster equation? who knew...Here I thought we based racing on the horses. I get it ..You add or subtract to their speed and capabilities based on their trainer. So AP's 121 fig in BCC is not as fast as Honor Codes Met Mile 109.. hey is there a trainer variant chart I can acquire or is it IC proprietary?

I get all figs arent equal, even if they are identical, but the trainer element is fascinating.

The trainer values determines if a horse is fast or slow.. 30 years and finally I get why I am losing. I thought it was just because I suck I didnt realize I was missing the KEY

Crown@club 08-25-2016 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TouchOfGrey (Post 1074736)
The overnight is out. The Balliston Spa is slated to go off at 6:20pm. Too bad the return of Lady Eli won't make the National broadcasts.

Saratoga Live (Fox Sports) will be back on again at 6pm

Indian Charlie 08-25-2016 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 1074781)
so the trainer is part of the which filly is faster equation? who knew...Here I thought we based racing on the horses. I get it ..You add or subtract to their speed and capabilities based on their trainer. So AP's 121 fig in BCC is not as fast as Honor Codes Met Mile 109.. hey is there a trainer variant chart I can acquire or is it IC proprietary?

I get all figs arent equal, even if they are identical, but the trainer element is fascinating.

The trainer values determines if a horse is fast or slow.. 30 years and finally I get why I am losing. I thought it was just because I suck I didnt realize I was missing the KEY

It's simple. If a horse is trained by Baffert, add as many points as you need to justify your position.

-BT- 08-25-2016 10:21 AM

that personal ensign is the toughest 5 horse field i've ever seen, 10-1 on Paid Up subscriber? you wouldn't have got that kind of ML on that horse in any other race outside of BC.

the whole card is stacked, never seen so many races where i just want to hit the "ALL" button.

BOL ALL

-bt-

NTamm1215 08-25-2016 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -BT- (Post 1074819)
that personal ensign is the toughest 5 horse field i've ever seen, 10-1 on Paid Up subscriber? you wouldn't have got that kind of ML on that horse in any other race outside of BC.

the whole card is stacked, never seen so many races where i just want to hit the "ALL" button.

BOL ALL

-bt-

It's an incredibly tough race and card indeed. She'll probably even float up off the 10-1.

TouchOfGrey 08-25-2016 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crown@club (Post 1074804)
Saratoga Live (Fox Sports) will be back on again at 6pm

So it is! Just checked the listings. It's on Fox Sports 2 only, not MSG+.

Thanks! :)

cakes44 08-26-2016 03:07 PM

If Tom's Ready goes at near 12-1, I'm in.

asudevil 08-27-2016 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 1073881)
Will have to be gives up miles of experience

Listen to your DT friends......
It's like when your bubby said finish your kneidl and you can have my mandel bread for dessert. You listen!!

asudevil 08-27-2016 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asudevil (Post 1073857)
An absolute beast!

;)

freddymo 08-28-2016 07:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asudevil (Post 1075201)
Listen to your DT friends......
It's like when your bubby said finish your kneidl and you can have my mandel bread for dessert. You listen!!

Used Arrogate a lot with G Box and Destin.. Any combo of those numbers and I would have been heading to Sizzlers

freddymo 08-28-2016 07:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 1074817)
It's simple. If a horse is trained by Baffert, add as many points as you need to justify your position.

BSF for Arrogate what we hacking it down to 107? Do we need to consider baffert was the place horse also? Maybe 103?

RHT2004 08-28-2016 10:31 AM

123

Seattleallstar 08-29-2016 12:28 AM

Arrogate is a superhorse, I hope he doesn't bounce in next race and stays healthy


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