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No, it is insane to make that kind of comparison between dirt and turf racing, which are totally different " animals ", so to speak. And, it is even crazier to suggest that the top turf horses are THAT much better than top dirt horses. Perhaps you are exagerating for effect. Otherwise....whatever.
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If Gorella and Wait a While could race on the turf, while the others are on the dirt, it might be competitive. Your continued suggestion that Wait a While, who had WELL established dirt form, coincidentally improved as a racehorse exactly when placed on the turf is disturbingly illinformed.
Todd Pletcher, as I pointed out, was quoted in print BEFORE the American Oaks, that he always felt Wait a While was a better turf horse. Not that this proves anything but it hardly supports your unsupportable claim. As for Gorella.....you think saying these things, even though there is nothing to back them up, gives them credence. It doesn't. Exactly how much difference between this year's Distaff field and the ones of the past you bring up do you think there really is ( in lengths )? |
what the hell?
has it ever even been suggested that Gorella or WAW would run on dirt? why would anyone even consider it(especially in Gorella's case)? the Distaff is worth the same amount of money as both the BCM and the BCFMT, so why would you take a top turf horse and run her on the dirt for the same amount of money? as for The Board- does not make a lot of sense. forget the suggestion that she would not appreciate the distance. this is a horse that won both the English and Irish Oaks at 12f. she won the BCFMT at 11f at Lone Star in 2004, so she could certainly do it again here. and besides, if you can win Grade 1 European turf races at 10f while running uphill for half the race, you can "get" 11f on a completely flat CD turf course. Repent |
There's nothing on the Breeders' Cup web site to indicate Ouija Board is running in the Classic that I could find. Let's start another rumor: Lava Man will run in the BC Turf.
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where is the link to back this rumor up? I can find nothing on it. Repent |
Of course there is nothing becuase it is a rumor that was heard. Hell, I hope it happens because she can't win, and will take some money. She could hit the board though
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Wait a While = special on the grass
Wait a While = average-good on the dirt It goes against everything I believe in, but she is a complete anomoly...as a pedigree man, I will tell you that she shouldn't be better suited for the grass nine times out of 10 more so than the dirt...she hails from almost exclusively a main track family....BUT she is better on grass and her mechanics even make her look like a turf filly....it almost makes me wonder if Linamix snuck in and is really the stallion or if Maria's Mon is :D I believe strongly in pedigrees ringing true to the identity of 90+% of horses as to the reasons for their strengths on the race track, BUT she is clearly the exception... |
I dont have a problem with Ouija Board going in the Classic. In fact I love the move. She doesnt have anything else to prove on the turf so why not try the classic. It would be a great win. But what I am noticing is the lack of respect to the US Classic Division by European Horsemen. We will have some of the best horses in the world in one race. That is pretty exciting. Ouija Board, Bernardini, George Washington, Lava Man, Invasor etc etc. Going to be fun watching them all compete against each other. Call me crazy, but I would rather watch Ouija Board go againt Bernardini then the weak Filly and Mare Turf field.
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As for Wait a While, I will concede that in this one, u do have evidence to support your argument while I don't. But perhaps u can concede that I did not say she's as good on the dirt as on the grass. What I said is that IF she has improved as a racehorse and it isn't just the grass, then I think she'd be in with a good chance. It's not like she was a horrible dirt horse either. She was notches below the best in her division but she was still 8-3-1-3 with over $400k in earnings on dirt and a couple of 90 Beyers. That's not horrible. And this was only halfway through her 3yo season so there was still room for improvement. I don't deny that she's a better grass filly than dirt. It would be silly to deny that. I happen to think this year's Distaff field is pretty horrible. I think horses like Personal Ensign and Bayakoa would be 6+ lengths better than them. I wouldn't take a shot against that type. Against these, I would. And I don't think either would have to be just as good on dirt as they are on grass. Personally, I feel that 75% of what I've seen from Wait a While on the grass would be good enough to win the Distaff but 100% of her on the grass won't be good enough to beat Ouija Board and Film Maker. I think that Pine Island is probably the horse to beat in the Distaff and if she wins it, she's going to be the 3yo filly champion regardless of what Wait a While does in the F/M Turf. So go take the championship away from her. |
there may be nothing to it ...it makes for great conversation.....
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To me, the idea of dumping Ouija Board in to the BCC at this point in her career borders on criminal. Yes maybe there would be something to gain if she were to somehow pull off a reasonable finish, but if you think about it, what more does she really need to prove to anyone? Also I don’t think that there is nothing to lose. What about the risk of injury? With no dirt preps or dirt racing experience that I’m aware of, and knowing how game and determined she is, I would worry that she might be at risk of injury due to it being a very demanding dirt race and the fact that she has already campaigned extensively at high levels on grass this year. Frankly it’s hard for me to believe this is even being considered. About Gorella, I don’t see her translating her form very well at all to dirt. This is just my opinion but she looks to me designed for turf being rather slight and long legged and her running style to me screams turf. The other thing about Gorella that struck me when I saw her at Arlington in August is that she has what I would call big ole paddle hooves. They just look incredibly wide given her size. It seems to me that I’ve read somewhere that this is a desirable trait for turfers. |
I give this zero chance of happening. None.
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I spoke to Ed Dunlap this afternoon at Tattersalls and he was inquiring about the weather in KY, not wanting soft ground. Said nothing about Classic or dirt. I will ask him tommorrow as he sells a couple I am interested in.
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you da man...get some good ones..
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Not going CLS..
Ouija Board will not cross enter into the Classic...
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How did 12 furlongs for Ouija Board become a question? Sure, most of her races this year have been at 10 furlongs, but that doesn't all of a sudden imply that they realized she can't go 12 poles. I think she does both equally well. To me, one of 2005's most impressive performances came from Ouija Board in the Hong Kong Vase - at 12 furlongs.
http://www.hkjc.com/english/racing/R...2005&RaceNo=03 If the ground is good-to-firm on Cup Day, the 10 furlong preparation will help her in my opinion. I've long looked at 10 furlong European runners in the BC Turf (ie - Kalanisi, Fantastic Light) when the ground is G/F here in the states - or atleast a horse who can run both 10 and 12 panels effectively. I guess my point is that since 12 furlongs isn't a problem, I'd like to see her in the Turf. I mean, who does she have to fear? Hurricane Run, where it would be a compliment to say he's a "shadow" of his former self? Red Rocks? English Channel and Cacique? I respect them all, but they aren't anything she hasn't seen and beaten before. |
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as for those who worry about the breakdown factor--you're in the wrong sport. any horse from a cheap claimer on up to top horses can have that happen at any time. to bring that up makes no sense to me! and i feel she has already earned the right to be an all-time great. carried more weight this year than any of our top horses this year, and ran against the boys repeatedly, a 'must have' in most minds. |
I don't see why anyone would enter their horse against bernardini. Any other year take a shot, but this year has a monster. This coming from a huge Ouija Board fan.
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because it's not always that easy! there will never be a walkover in a race like this. and for good reason. anything can happen, and many times does. |
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Because then, all of these posts about him will be validated. :D |
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She has ZERO chance IMO....horses like Bright One have a better shot than her and they will be 30-1.... |
Not that Ouiji Board is running, but hypothetically she actually has a better chance than known commodities like Bright One and Premium Tap, as both have the wrong running styles and are simply not good enough while at least Ouiji Board is a total wild card. I am not saying I would ever bet her, or even use her in any play, but she is MUCH likelier to win than the known no-shotters.
Bright One isn't actually running....is he? |
im still stunned that this is even being considered......i dont think ouija hits the board....im saying that with alot of confidece too
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He may run....they originally wanted to but he ran badly under the lights at Hoosier...Romans said that he is more talented than both Roses in May and Kittens' Joy - so I wouldn't be surprised if he enters because he knows that horse loves CD and it is a home game for him... Personallly, I thing Bright one is live at a big price to clunk up the TRI and maybe the EX if he fires his best shot.... |
He's not really a clunk up type...that's the problem.
I love the ridiculous overestimations...better than Roses in May and Kittens Joy. Let's see them do it on the track before we hear how great they are. No doubt, he flashed some real potential, but many show potential and few live up to it. |
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DALE thinks hes betetr than Roses in May and Kittens Joy amd that is saying alot IMO...noit that those guys are always right - but he is a good enough trainer to take notice of a horse at 30-1.... |
Did I hear Bright One? Love that colt! :D
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i dont think bright one is a clunk up type either.......he'll either wire the field or burn himself out and finish towards last.....id opt more for the latter...the is NOT the wv derby field
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Good horse, so he will probably survive running last in the Classic, but he certainly isn't winning. Then again, at their respective early points in their careers, Bright One was faster than Bernardini. Didn't Afleet run last in the Classic as a 3YO? He was the best uncrowned champion I may have ever seen. |
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