Different time different set of refugee's. I'm not a betting man but I am willing to bet the refugee's that your family came in with weren't infiltrated with those wanting to and willing to invoke acts of terror and kill as many of us as possible.

i am not a liberal, or a spokesperson for them. i represent only myself. now, you can label away if you so wish, but it does nothing for the discussion.
i am for whatever it takes to take care of the issues over there.
in no way am i advocating for refugees to come and remain here.
what we do need to do however is our level best to get things taken care of so those millions can go back to where they were.

you might want to go study what has been said about every migrant wave ever here.
that's why i posted the article that included the tale of the boatload of jewish people.

Not helpful to the relocate refugees to the US crowd -

“Apparently they are scared of widows and orphans coming into the United States of America,” Obama said of the GOP. “At first, they were too scared of the press being too tough on them in the debates. Now they are scared of three year old orphans. That doesn’t seem so tough to me.”

"A female terrorist wearing a suicide vest has blown herself up and another jihadi was killed by a grenade during a six-hour siege on a flat where police believe the Paris massacres mastermind and six other ISIS terrorists were hiding."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...operation.html
(but not before she took out a heroic police dog
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...mic-State-ISIS )

Eight ISIS suspects posing as refugees arrested at Istanbul airport
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...mid-ISIS-fears

The enemy within. Nearly SEVENTY are arrested in America over ISIS plots - and they include refugees who had been given safe haven but 'turned to terror'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ed-terror.html

and from right-wing hate website, ABC News:
US May Have Let 'Dozens' of Terrorists Into Country As Refugees
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/al-qae...ry?id=20931131

Different time Zig.. What was said historically but the current reality being reported is that refugee's are being infiltrated . Are you saying that isn't the case?

of course that is something that would have to be watched for.
but to reject all because one might be bad?
that's exactly what they said about those jewish people on the boat. and yes, it's a different time, but it's still people. are we to allow fear to rule? to have the same mindset, while ignoring how much better we are able to find out things then back then?

don't forget, they might be able to get guns here too.

and here's some info on thought processes from ww2 and after, regarding who should be allowed in....

In the early months, and first few years after the war, beginning in mid-1945, [there were] only a very limited number of immigration visas to get into the United States.


Of all the [Holocaust] survivors in the camps, only a few thousand came in in [the] first year or so. To get a visa was a precious commodity, and there were immigration policymakers in Washington who were on record saying that they didn't think the Jews should be let in because they were "lazy people" or "entitled people" and they didn't want them in.

But there were many, many thousands of Nazi collaborators who got visas to the United States while the survivors did not — even though they had been, for instance, the head of a Nazi concentration camp, the warden at a camp, or the secret police chief in Lithuania who signed the death warrants for people. ...

The bulk of the people who got into the United States — some were from Germany itself, some in fact were senior officers in the Nazi party under Hitler — but more were the Nazi collaborators.

the times are different? not really. neither are the arguments made.

Did those collaborators get in while the war was still in progress? Clear out a space in Syria for the Refugees and provide protection. Allow them in and they certainly be infiltrated. But we know that when on of those with terror on their mind creates a horrific act those supporting allowing them in will either disappear from the debate or blame someone else for not keeping us safe.

i'm not sure who got here while it was going on.
but i do know jews were turned away, and many ended up dying in concentration camps.
isis can try, with or without refugees (some already here by the way) to get over here.
every deed done can have both positive and negative consequences. all things have to be considered, and all we can do is try our best.
but i cannot countenance saying NO across the board, because something may happen.
if we considered what may happen, worst case scenario, with everything....well, no one would get out of bed in the morning.

but, yeah, best case would be if they all could be temporarily put somewhere, and can return home after.
but i have difficulty in just saying no-because i wouldn't want to be told that if i was one in need of help.
no one wants anyone here hurt or killed-no one.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/abdelhami...raid-officials

paris attack mastermind dead in the raid yesterday. thank goodness they got them before they could carry out another attack.


and....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...urn-them-away/

French President Francois Hollande declared on Wednesday that his country would accept 30,000 Syrian refugees over next two years. He announced this at a gathering of mayors from French cities, where he received a standing ovation.


"We have to reinforce our borders while remaining true to our values," the French president said.

No, the US gov't brought them in, whitewashed their backgrounds and sent them to work for NASA:

http://www.businessinsider.com/nazi-...program-2014-2

My stepmom can tell you stories about refugee camps (she and my brothers spent a year in one before being cleared to go to the US). They are NOT safe places. Especially for young women. And, from my stepmom's stories, the danger wasn't from the other refugees; it was from the men hired to (supposedly) protect the refugees.

The French are still committed to taking in refugees:

http://gawker.com/france-would-still...ess-1743284749

As the comments section said, "Ah, the French. Making us look even more like the backwards rubes we often are with that effortless grace and élan.... I blame the metric system."

(blah blah the French are racist too, yes, I know, I've been there. But this is how you give a middle finger to terrorism, not the cowering that the Governor of the great Welfare State of Alabama is doing)

:tro:

thanks for posting, both the link and your brief story about the camp.

My stepmom doesn't talk much about those years (although she talks more about it now than she did 30 years ago when I first knew her), and when she does I can see why she's reluctant to- the stories are really upsetting. We don't push; we let her talk about it as much or little as she wants. My stepbrothers have never talked about it.

I can't fathom the kind of misery and fear that makes someone desperate enough to just pack up and start walking, with no idea what'll be at the other end.

The other thing is that most of the suspected attackers weren't refugees; they were Europeans who traveled to Syria and then came back:

http://jezebel.com/most-of-the-suspe...nat-1743507304

And, of course, the majority of the 9/11 hijackers were citizens of our ally, Saudi Arabia. They weren't refugees. All but one were here on tourist or business visas (1 on a student visa).

I don't see any GOP candidates or governors suggesting we not allow people in on tourist or business visas, despite the fact that, when one uses facts and not fear-mongering, that's where the danger has historically been, not in refugees.

For that matter, since 2002, white supremacists have killed more people in terrorist attacks in the USA than Muslim radicals. But none of the candidates or governors are talking about that, either.

OMG evil white people. Again. Yawn.

Genuine RISK how many whites live in the United States compared to the innocent po' widdle muswims?

Stupid liberals. Cowards who are suicidal that want us to die with them.

Liberals are the biggest hate mongers on the planet. The difference between them and the 'white supremacists' is that the liberals use Saul Alinsky's playbook of deceit and lies.

His playbook is used in our schools, the media, our politicians, and dumb women on the internet who don't know when to shut the f.uck up.

And they always use women and children when trying to shame impoverished Americans into accepting more poverty and an increased risk of terrorism.

Who cares though, right? Most of the tax base are white devils. We deserve it because we're the only race on the planet who have oppressed other races.

We're not currently being oppressed by bankers. Because most of them technically aren't white. Hmm. Lets continue to play dumb...shall we?

Some of us know.

I keep hearing in my head Eddie Murphy/Mister Robinson saying, "I'm so glad the bitch is gone."

http://nypost.com/2015/11/20/skanky-...-party-animal/

They were just talking about her on the news. I almost never watch news, but when I saw about Mali online, I turned it on.

The CFR and the catholic church are working overtime this week to keep the status quo.

It's disgusting how the one world government is being pushed. Giving up our liberties so poor simpletons who don't believe what we believe can come here on our dime and drive us further into abject poverty and chaos.

And the white men who watch Fox News eat it up while those traitorous women (most of them members of the CFR) try to shame us and use our freedoms as a means of bringing in useless religious nutters who want to take it from us.

Piss on those widows and children. If you're so concerned move them into your mansions to live with your investment banker husbands.

The non-Mooslim terrorists are at it again.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...otel-Mali.html

Terrorists having nothing to do with Islam screamed “Allahu akbar!” as they attacked the Radisson Blu hotel in Bamako, Mali. In an ecumenical gesture, the terrorists allowed hostages to leave if they were able to recite from the Quran.

a u.n. conference there at the time, were those people the target? or was it just coincidence?

I for one rest much more easily now that they have found cause to retweet HRC's poignant, heart-stirring verse:

https://twitter.com/CFR_org/status/6...erp|twgr^tweet

Everything is going to be alright, Coach. Hillary and the CFR say so.

Just keep self-shaming and accepting responsibility for all the worlds ails because you popped out of a vagina the wrong color and as such, are incapable of displaying "Tolerance" by embracing "Intolerance".

apparently she is just the type of person that is drawn to such groups.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_terrorism

been doing reading and looking since this morning, on this among other things.
now, back to spiral galaxies.

The mali attack yesterday, and now brussels is on lockdownx with eveyone told to avoid public places.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34907983

turkey shot down a russian jet that they say violated air space. russia says it stayed over syria.
christ.

I'm not quite sure whether this is intended to support or refute your earlier comment, jms, as, according to the article, the majority of the individuals listed were Bosnian (that crisis having been 20 years ago) which would make them a different time and a different set of refugees. What I took from the article is that radicals have gotten into the nation before, and the government does a pretty good job at catching them here, seeing as how white supremacists have killed more people in terrorist attacks here since 2002 than Islamic terrorists have.

I also knew a Bosnian refugee- he fled here with his family and I knew him when we moved into our previous apartment, as he was the super of the building. He and his wife had some pretty terrifying stories about the war/genocide, including having to flee their home as it was bombed to pieces around them.

God, humans can be terrible to one another.

"Most people in Molenbeek are decent people who want the best for their families. But we should not close our eyes to the fact that it is also home to a very deep, and very dangerous, undercurrent of radical Islamism."

http://www.politico.eu/article/molen...entrification/

I guess you read what you want.

So what you are saying is that 20 years later accepting refugees from countries openly hostile to the our country that have proven to be infiltrated is safer than accepting them from Bosnia 20 years back.

So when one of these commits a henious act of terrorism will you come here and say you were wrong or will you blame those tasked with ferreting out the proverbial needle in a haystack.

I wish we would look inward at these henious acts of terrorism with the same venom some have at grouping all immigrants into bomb carrying zeoulots. Oh..look...another college shooting, theater massacre, grade school bloodbath carried out, by,..GASP....Americans...oh...that really sucks..weep, pray, move on....but...STOP the f'n Syrian kids fleeing, track the Muslims, lock the boarders. What a dumb ass country we are

So Americans have committed these henious acts so the answer is to invite in refugees who have already proven to be infiltrated. I will agree with your final point though we are a country full of ****ing morons. :zz:

Jim, my point is for us to put the same passion and, yes, paranoia into looking inward as we do at looking at easy to label groups with the same, or less threat levels that already exist amongst us.

It truly boggles my mind that the same people who say 'meh' at mass shootings here are almost hysterical when they are confronted with something like the refugee issue.
Refugees that are put thru an incredibly rigorous, detailed and lengthy process.
Unlike a background check for instance.

Refugee

"person who has been forced to leave their country in order to escape war, persecution, or natural disaster."

How exactly does one put someone from above through a Lengthy Rigorous process? Seems to me the above doesnt fit into a timeframe for a lengthy process. And I am sure this rigorus process will catch those who go through great lengths to recreate their background in order to beat that rigorus process.

And while you are at it quit flogging yourself because what some ****ing anti semetic ******* did 75 years ago. It was unjustified and wrong. But to knowingly let in a group we know has been infiltrated to somehow undo that wrong is insane.

I am all for helping out. Create a safe zone in the middle east and use American forces to keep it that way. As a matter of fact create that safe zone in Saudi Arabia. It is about time they step up and help their fellow Muslims and not use us to do their bidding.