No Kiddin' S2S...
I remember a day when i was taking "lunch count" for the cafeteria crew with the 3rd graders. The date was Feb. 2.
Me- Who wants to have lunch today?
Kid- What is it?
Me- Well, you all know what day it is..it's groundhog day.
Jacob- (waving his raised hand franticly)...MEEE!!! YUM!!!!

that's exactly what i asked on the first page -- not one person has said anything about polytrack, all they have done is point out that the title of the thread is false -- which actually is serving to debunk the entire point of the post in the first place.

it's like oracle posting a thread saying "the sky is orange" and you coming in and saying "no it is not."

and them him saying " SEE! GOTCHA! YOU FELL FOR IT!"

ridiculous.

Arl Jim,
you werent one of the folks that was aimed at.
that being said, as usual I've sat here and watched every race from Calder, Belmont, keeneland, the first 3 at santa Anita, and lowly Finger Lakes(its my vice, I like the place).
If you wanna debate trip notes at any of those places fire way immediately.
You really missed my point.

Dude I really appreciated that info.
I was looking at it for an hour looking at the patterns and checking out the corresponding days as far as weekday/weekend stuff went.
Thank you very much.

No i'd rather just stick to the subject of this thread and the claim that you made. You said that imbeciles have seen the title and without even having watched the race have rushed in to support poly-track. I have not seen any evidence of that. I didn't miss your point at all, I just felt it wasn't justified.

My sarcasm is usually unapprecated but Seattle and I have spoken on messenger enough over 3 years that he gets me. I'm an acquired taste.
I see people arguing the most vehemently over races and the like that i know they haven't watched or seen by the very eneral context with which they speak about them.
I'm willing to bet that staunchest of polytrack advocates on here haven't seen more than a few races, if that, on the stuff and they are telling us all about it.
Its frustrating.

How about "We are the World". I wanna be Ray Charles. You strike me as a Joe ****er type. Seattle can be Stevie Wonder since he obviously can't see a damn thing(I base this on the race analysis that he gives).

Yes, you are an acquired "taste" :rolleyes:

Last I heard,this filly(Rutledge Ballado) walked into the ambulance on her own.

They didn't show it on the live feed(ambulance) but I noted the lack of a horse in the winners circle after the race and thats why I pulled the chart to see Scuds.

Seems to me that a certain someone didnt watch the race and heard a horse was vanned off. That certain person then assumed the race was on Poly and posted a thread without getting all the facts. Then that certain someone was caught and then tried to backtrack.

baba and arljim,
I rest my case!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Best idea I have heard in a very long time.

Baba,
You gotta give me credit on that one.

I think it is very poor taste to use a broken down horse as a way to be sarcastic and to try to trap people into posting something stupid.

I think you have lost this bet.

Well I know I got one!!!

Oracle you crack me up. You say on here that you cannot stand when people comment on a race without watching the race which is a very good and valid point. And I agree with you 100%. However, you comment on PolyTrack all the time without ever seeing it, walking it, touching it or even seeing horses train and race on it in person. Kind of like the pot calling the kettle black.

Sarcasm is my main form of expression.
I wish there was a sarcastic face on the left we could click on to signify that we are being sarcastic. It doesn't really come through properly most of the time.
And your posts amuse me, as do Pillow Pants and that prick Titan Sooner's posts.(being sarcastic here Titan)

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
:p

I've seen every race at Keeneland this meet, either live on feed or on replay.
I think that qualifies me to have an opinion. I don't need to smell or touch horse**** live to know what it is, a pile of it on tv looks the same(being sarcastic and ironic here drawing a comparison between horse**** and races on poly)

a pointless thread.

How many races have you actually witnessed from keeneland?
And whats been your take on the rail, and running style of the winners?

Not to be a redboarder but I had $20 across on that horse. Couldn't understand how the hell the odds were so high considering how sharp Motion is off the claim and 180+ day layoff.

oracle, this is a totally legit and serious question here just out of my curiosity because you seem to really hate this stuff.

what's the difference between the old keeneland and the new? why is everyone up in arms. at the old keeneland you would just bet the horse who would get the lead and you'd win more than you'd lose.

at the new keeneland, you throw out the horse who is going to get the lead, and you will narrow your choices down much faster -- it makes handicapping really easy lately.

aren't they really the same thing? a track bias is a track bias, so why is this one so much more patently offensive to everyone?

I agree, the old stuff had a pronounced speed bias.
But its about more than that. Horses with no talent whatsoever are beating horses miles better than they are on a daily and consistent basis.
Its not poly I am opposed to per say.
Its the fact that its being marketed as a dirt replacement.
If tracks had room for a poly course, dirt, and turf, that would be fine.
But eliminating the dirt entirely is wrong. let the cripples run on poly all they want.

didn't at all address my point, but oh well.

personally i've always liked to play Turfway park, well before the switch to poly. So last year i payed a lot of attention to it and watched many many cards. I was amazed at how different it was but also amazed that if you work at it and pay attention it really isn't so mysterious to handicap. Of course you have to approach it differently than dirt, no question.

Keeneland for me has always been an anamoly and i never have had any confidence handicapping it. So even now with the switch i haven't paid much attention because i don't intend to play it. From the little i have watched it looks like the action is real similar to TP though.

fair enough, i was just wondering as i'm jumping into all of these conversations a bit late coming over finally from the espn boards after not enjoying myself there anymore.

i've found, in the days that i've handicapped and watched the races (about 2/3 of them) that most of the longshot horses who are winning aren't horses with "no talent" but more horses that are taking to the surface a bit better than others. most, and i use that term "most" very carefully, have run races in the past that would show them as capable of winning the races they are entered in -- just some examples off the top of my head: Connections from this past Sunday. He's not consistent, but he's capable of running the sort of race it would take to win it. His style suited the profile of the course perfectly -- and he paid about $61. Add to that the Malibu Mint/Hide and Chic exacta from Saturday -- based on how the track was playing, the first horse I threw out was Behaving Badly, and she got bet down hard.

Dirt substitute? No, I don't think it should be one either. But at the same time, I think that alot of people should stop pretending that it's impossible to handicap or bull**** to handicap and that they are somehow above it. It's been easy easy easy easy, RIDICULOUSLY easy money lately. I haven't done so well at the racetrack in months.

That's my two cents.

I understand you did it intentionally. That's what made it all the more reprehensible.

I don't care if you were trying to prove a point to someone on another thread. When you title a thread "Polytrack breakdown today race 6" and Polytrack was not involved in any way, you are messing with the entire board. It's just one step behind those idiots on the espn board who liked to post that various horses, especially Barbaro, had died. Gee, if those jerks had only said they were trying to make a point to someone on another thread, I guess that would have been excusable, too.

--Dunbar

Nice to see you are exploiting horses that are injured for your own amusement.

Still waiting for that poly breakdown too. How about those 12 horse fields too.

Excellent post.

Mike is that you?

what do you have against poly? Have you seen it, walked on it yet, seen live races ? Just curious why so anti Poly?

I don't love it, I'm just not agianst it so far from what I've seen.

NC Tony