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Danzig 02-05-2016 12:19 PM

no.
I know you guys just know she's going to get indicted....but don't hold your breath

Rudeboyelvis 02-05-2016 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 1055385)
no.
I know you guys just know she's going to get indicted....but don't hold your breath

Yeah, the fact that Russia, China, and Iran in all likelyhood now have accessed some of the most top secret State Department communications is no big whoop.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/01/21/fo...-server-video/

Just another vast right wing conspiracy. :zz:

jms62 02-05-2016 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 1055397)
Yeah, the fact that Russia, China, and Iran in all likelyhood now have accessed some of the most top secret State Department communications is no big whoop.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/01/21/fo...-server-video/

Just another vast right wing conspiracy. :zz:

If fairness Rude , I don't think she is saying she shouldn't be indicted just that she probably won't. I agree she is long time member of the ruling class in this country and you can be sure has plenty of favors to call in. GBA :zz:

Danzig 02-05-2016 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 1055399)
If fairness Rude , I don't think she is saying she shouldn't be indicted just that she probably won't. I agree she is long time member of the ruling class in this country and you can be sure has plenty of favors to call in. GBA :zz:

that's what I'm saying, she probably won't be. when the foxes guard the henhouse, they can do whatever the hell they want. it's like when the house or senate ethics committee has to call someone out..they won't go too far, because when it's their turn, they don't want that to go too far either.

bigrun 02-05-2016 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 1055381)
Could we really see a perp walk, live on TV, handcuffs and all? :eek:



If this guy got away with his crimes why can't Hillary:confused:



joeydb 02-10-2016 07:29 AM

Hillary got DESTROYED by Bernie, 60% to 38% in New Hampshire.

That is not a good sign. Lost every demographic group except senior citizens.

She may very well still get the nomination, due to superdelegates and their ability to vote independently at the convention, but the "enthusiasm gap" in past week has been severely understated.

jms62 02-10-2016 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 1055785)
Hillary got DESTROYED by Bernie, 60% to 38% in New Hampshire.

That is not a good sign. Lost every demographic group except senior citizens.

She may very well still get the nomination, due to superdelegates and their ability to vote independently at the convention, but the "enthusiasm gap" in past week has been severely understated.

Although I hope you are right cause I am for anybody but Clinton however don't you think you are overblowing her loss considering Bernie is a Senator from Vermont? If he lost there I would have to think his cause is completely hopeless.

GenuineRisk 02-10-2016 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 1055790)
Although I hope you are right cause I am for anybody but Clinton however don't you think you are overblowing her loss considering Bernie is a Senator from Vermont? If he lost there I would have to think his cause is completely hopeless.

All I know is I was trying to book tickets on a Spanish website last night while also listening to Trump's victory speech and I'm not sure which one I was having more trouble understanding. At least I could use Google Translate for the Spanish.

Rudeboyelvis 02-10-2016 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 1055790)
Although I hope you are right cause I am for anybody but Clinton however don't you think you are overblowing her loss considering Bernie is a Senator from Vermont? If he lost there I would have to think his cause is completely hopeless.

Jim, she was up 44 points on Bernie last February. This whole nonsense that "Bernie is a neighbor" is pathetic spin. She has been completely exposed for the fraud she is and now in deep, deep water.

http://www.conservativeoutfitters.co...-voters-to-see

How does Bloomberg save the Dems? Hasn't he's already missed enough registration deadlines to not get 270 electoral votes? Why isn't this being brought up?

jms62 02-10-2016 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 1055796)
Jim, she was up 44 points on Bernie last February. This whole nonsense that "Bernie is a neighbor" is pathetic spin. She has been completely exposed for the fraud she is and now in deep, deep water.

http://www.conservativeoutfitters.co...-voters-to-see

How does Bloomberg save the Dems? Hasn't he's already missed enough registration deadlines to not get 270 electoral votes? Why isn't this being brought up?

Hopefully you are right and he keeps the momentum going... I was more taking a shot on this typical Joey Drive by. The guy who is the Lonestar of political handicapping ;)

Danzig 02-10-2016 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 1055796)
Jim, she was up 44 points on Bernie last February. This whole nonsense that "Bernie is a neighbor" is pathetic spin. She has been completely exposed for the fraud she is and now in deep, deep water.

http://www.conservativeoutfitters.co...-voters-to-see

How does Bloomberg save the Dems? Hasn't he's already missed enough registration deadlines to not get 270 electoral votes? Why isn't this being brought up?

No, she wasnt ahead like that last feb. Most in nh werent sure who they would support, with clinton ahead of warren in 2 of 15, because people still didnt know for sure who was in the mix yet.
I went back thru pollls to look st how it unfolded, and sanders has been popular in nh for sometime. His iowa showing helped him, as did his efforts to get people iut to vote.
I hope he can continue his nh ways elsewhere, and get the nomination.

Rudeboyelvis 02-10-2016 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 1055819)
No, she wasnt ahead like that last feb. Most in nh werent sure who they would support, with clinton ahead of warren in 2 of 15, because people still didnt know for sure who was in the mix yet.
I went back thru pollls to look st how it unfolded, and sanders has been popular in nh for sometime. His iowa showing helped him, as did his efforts to get people iut to vote.
I hope he can continue his nh ways elsewhere, and get the nomination.

Wrong. Again.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...mary-3351.html

In January of 2015: Clinton 56.4%, Sanders 6.8%
In February of 2015: Clinton 56.8%, Sanders 10.0%

She had a 49.6 point lead in January 2015 and a 46.8 point lead in February. It was worse than 44 points, I was being kind.

Secondly, As far as "most in NH weren't sure who they would support" is also incorrect. This is a famous misinterpretation of the Primary rules of NH.

In NH, you may choose to be registered as "Undeclared" up until the moment you cast your vote. Then you register for either party, get that party's ballot, and vote. Immediately following, you have the option of going to the "return to undeclared" table and switching back to being Undeclared.

So this nonsense that "40% of NH was undecided going to the polls" is misleading and untrue.

The majority of the residents knew exactly who they were voting for, the media just had no idea.



You may want to consider qualifying your absolute statements if you are going to talk out of your asz.

Danzig 02-10-2016 02:24 PM

from 2/6/15:

Currently, only 6% of likely Republican Primary voters say they have definitely decided who they will support, 9% are leaning toward a candidate, and 85% are still trying to decide." New Hampshire voters are only marginally more engaged on the Democratic side. "Currently, only 7% of likely Democratic primary voters say they have definitely decided who they will support, 16% are leaning toward a candidate, but the great majority of voters (76%) are still trying to decide who to support." [UNH reports on samples of Republicans and Democrats ]

NEW 2016 NEW HAMPSHIRE POLL FROM WMUR/UNH - James Pindell: "The first major poll of New Hampshire Republican voters following former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney’s decision not to run for president in 2016 shows former Florida governor Jeb Bush and Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker leading others interested in running. Former US secretary of state Hillary Clinton has a sizable lead among Democrats....Had Romney decided to run a third time for president, polls suggested he was a lock to win the Granite State. With Romney out, the WMUR Granite State Poll by the University of New Hampshire shows Bush with 17 percent support, Walker with 12 percent, and Chris Christie, Rand Paul, and Mike Huckabee at 9 percent.
On the Democratic side Clinton has a dominant 58 percent support, well ahead of Massachusetts Senator Elizabeth Warren at 14 percent. Other potential candidates, including Vice President Joe Biden, Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders, New York Governor Andrew Cuomo, and former Virginia senator Jim Webb, were all in single digits.



that's what i'd read, from the year ago info i saw that i posted about. sanders didn't even announce til march. no one knew last february who would even be in the mix.
of course, i also posted a link on here the other day, to a story about how polls are flawed...so who the hell knows? but sanders has been doing well in HN for some time, so i wasn't surprised that he won this one.
all i do know is, i don't like hillary any more now than i ever did.
also know that i cannot believe a candidate called another candidate a pu$$y, and then won a primary.

Rudeboyelvis 02-10-2016 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 1055825)
from 2/6/15:
that's what i'd read, from the year ago info i saw that i posted about. sanders didn't even announce til march. no one knew last february who would even be in the mix.
of course, i also posted a link on here the other day, to a story about how polls are flawed...so who the hell knows? but sanders has been doing well in HN for some time, so i wasn't surprised that he won this one.
all i do know is, i don't like hillary any more now than i ever did.
also know that i cannot believe a candidate called another candidate a pu$$y, and then won a primary.

Except he didn't. A female audience member did, which he repeated and roundly castigated her for.
Side note: It would not have been as hilarious as it was, were it not completely true.

Funny how "the other candidate" is now running ads using children to lie, distort, and libel Mr. Trump's record. Mighty Christian of ya there, Teddy-boy. :D

Danzig 02-10-2016 07:15 PM

Just read Clinton will leave NH with same number of delegates as sanders, even tho he won. She has six superdelegates. They could eventually move to support Sanders, but for now...they're hers.

richard burch 02-10-2016 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 1043625)

MAKES ME CRINGE....PLEASE MAKE IT GO AWAY.

OldDog 02-11-2016 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 1055852)
Just read Clinton will leave NH with same number of delegates as sanders, even tho he won. She has six superdelegates. They could eventually move to support Sanders, but for now...they're hers.

Uncle Sugar supporters cry vote stealing, but they should embrace it as "vote redistribution." Or perhaps, "fairness."

Rudeboyelvis 02-11-2016 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by OldDog (Post 1055869)
Uncle Sugar supporters cry vote stealing, but they should embrace it as "vote redistribution." Or perhaps, "fairness."

:tro::tro: Hahahaha

joeydb 02-12-2016 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 1055872)
:tro::tro: Hahahaha

We could see a 1968 style meltdown at the Democratic National Convention. I'll have my popcorn ready and a cold beer...

jms62 02-12-2016 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 1055938)
We could see a 1968 style meltdown at the Democratic National Convention. I'll have my popcorn ready and a cold beer...

Care to substantiate that statement?

joeydb 02-14-2016 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 1055944)
Care to substantiate that statement?

In short, if the very enthusiastic and supportive Bernie crowd continues to see their guy win primaries, and yet, somehow, due to super delegates, he does not come up with the majority and the nomination....people could react emotionally. This is understandable since not everyone understands the esoteric rules.

Hillary got the same delegates for New Hampshire as Bernie, and he beat her by 22 percentage points. Do that a few times and this will get tense.

Now the reverse is true - if Clinton starts really winning, then the will of the primary voters in the states and that of the delegates will not be misaligned, and all will be fine in the Democratic party. But a misalignment is a possibility from where we are now, looking forward.

jms62 02-15-2016 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 1056289)
In short, if the very enthusiastic and supportive Bernie crowd continues to see their guy win primaries, and yet, somehow, due to super delegates, he does not come up with the majority and the nomination....people could react emotionally. This is understandable since not everyone understands the esoteric rules.

Hillary got the same delegates for New Hampshire as Bernie, and he beat her by 22 percentage points. Do that a few times and this will get tense.

Now the reverse is true - if Clinton starts really winning, then the will of the primary voters in the states and that of the delegates will not be misaligned, and all will be fine in the Democratic party. But a misalignment is a possibility from where we are now, looking forward.

I agree with what you are saying regarding the rules but I don't see much fire in the belly of Bernie Supporters. They are too busy Tweeting, taking selfies and hooking up on Tinder.

joeydb 02-15-2016 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 1056318)
I agree with what you are saying regarding the rules but I don't see much fire in the belly of Bernie Supporters. They are too busy Tweeting, taking selfies and hooking up on Tinder.

Of course you could be right, especially when it comes to the amount of motivation they might or might not have.

Here is an article that asserts that the situation is at least getting some attention:

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/0...mocrats-219286

Danzig 02-15-2016 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 1056289)
In short, if the very enthusiastic and supportive Bernie crowd continues to see their guy win primaries, and yet, somehow, due to super delegates, he does not come up with the majority and the nomination....people could react emotionally. This is understandable since not everyone understands the esoteric rules.

Hillary got the same delegates for New Hampshire as Bernie, and he beat her by 22 percentage points. Do that a few times and this will get tense.

Now the reverse is true - if Clinton starts really winning, then the will of the primary voters in the states and that of the delegates will not be misaligned, and all will be fine in the Democratic party. But a misalignment is a possibility from where we are now, looking forward.

I guess you missed the details in the article regarding superdelegates and that of course they could end up sanders'?

GenuineRisk 02-15-2016 08:02 PM

I really enjoyed this piece by Gawker writer Tom Scocca about his first-hand and varying-degrees-of-second-hand encounters with the Clintons:

http://gawker.com/my-conflict-1758741736

joeydb 02-16-2016 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 1056340)
I guess you missed the details in the article regarding superdelegates and that of course they could end up sanders'?

Of course they might, but as of right now there is a conflict between the apparent will of the people of the party and the superdelegates. Everything I pointed out was predicated on that continuing too long.

joeydb 02-16-2016 02:29 PM


OldDog 04-01-2016 01:23 PM

Hillary loses it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sO-sgjJ36eo

Really? Sick that Democrats won't simply give her the crown?

jms62 04-01-2016 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by OldDog (Post 1060833)
Hillary loses it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sO-sgjJ36eo

Really? Sick that Democrats won't simply give her the crown?

If that is your definition of someone losing it you have led a VERY VERY sheltered life.. And I can't stand the lady cause her and her husband epitomizes those using government office to enrich themselves.

OldDog 04-01-2016 03:39 PM

Indeed. Presidential candidate shaking hands on a rope line furrows brow, raises voice and jabs finger. Classic Bubba technique, including obfuscation and straw man attacks.

Wait . . . having a flashback

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CzteDucRHo

richard burch 04-02-2016 12:46 AM

FBI is going to take her down.

joeydb 05-10-2016 10:32 PM


OldDog 05-11-2016 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by richard burch (Post 1060893)
FBI is going to take her down.

They have to go through the DOJ, which is solidly behind Hillary.
http://freebeacon.com/issues/hillary...ent-employees/

Rudeboyelvis 05-11-2016 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by OldDog (Post 1064201)
They have to go through the DOJ, which is solidly behind Hillary.
http://freebeacon.com/issues/hillary...ent-employees/

Not so fast. Sanders has won 19 states, while Hillary's unfavorable numbers - particularly with working class white males (who vote, religiously), are at an all time high for a Dem candidate.

This is getting more real every single day, this notion that she will be trounced by Trump in the swing states.

Would not be shocked in the least to see DNC go to Obama, tell him it's time, Lynch then gets the nod and the DOJ moves forward, by the Democratic Party's hand - in order to install Biden at the Dem Convention to fight it out with Sanders...and you know who wins that (Spoiler - Not feeling the Bern).

If I were Trump's campaign, I would have a back up game plan for Biden to come out of Philly with the candidacy.

Pants II 05-11-2016 12:07 PM

Ok she visited the bluegrass state yesterday and brought with her tornadoes, hail, and flooding.

And a crowd of maybe 80 people.

Danzig 05-11-2016 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldDog (Post 1064201)
They have to go through the DOJ, which is solidly behind Hillary.
http://freebeacon.com/issues/hillary...ent-employees/

how in the hell how have we gotten to the point of it being her or trump?!
what a complete cluster **** of an election. it's appalling.

Pants II 05-11-2016 01:21 PM

McCain-Obama is ok
Romney-Obama is ok

But Trump-Clinton?

Omg *ostrich running around with head off* :rolleyes:

Rudeboyelvis 05-11-2016 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Pants II (Post 1064218)
McCain-Obama is ok
Romney-Obama is ok

But Trump-Clinton?

Omg *ostrich running around with head off* :rolleyes:

Shocking to see myopic, fat, lazy cows that spend all their time online railing about gender-sensitive bathroom policies and micro-aggressions whilst their nation circles the drain, can't get a grip on "how we got here".

Go figure. :rolleyes:

Rudeboyelvis 05-11-2016 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 1064211)
Not so fast. Sanders has won 19 states, while Hillary's unfavorable numbers - particularly with working class white males (who vote, religiously), are at an all time high for a Dem candidate.

This is getting more real every single day, this notion that she will be trounced by Trump in the swing states.

Would not be shocked in the least to see DNC go to Obama, tell him it's time, Lynch then gets the nod and the DOJ moves forward, by the Democratic Party's hand - in order to install Biden at the Dem Convention to fight it out with Sanders...and you know who wins that (Spoiler - Not feeling the Bern).

If I were Trump's campaign, I would have a back up game plan for Biden to come out of Philly with the candidacy.

Feel free to read between the lines:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/11/politi...ss_igoogle_cnn

Pants II 05-11-2016 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 1064222)
Shocking to see myopic, fat, lazy cows that spend all their time online railing about gender-sensitive bathroom policies and micro-aggressions whilst their nation circles the drain, can't get a grip on "how we got here".

Go figure. :rolleyes:

People who have had trauma from a Christian upbringing are the easiest to manipulate and control.

Add that to bad food, water, pharmaceuticals, etc and you get a big ol' Marxist pig.


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