My point exactly ;) This excuse of thats the way the cali stewards always judge this type of incident is piss poor, as,is "bad racing luck". If the BC wants to be taken seriously as a sport, thry need to operate at the highest level with no possible question of malfesance to the viewing public.

I had nothing on the race,but per the stewards, the incident at the beginning of the race had nothing to do with the outcome. Then why have an inquiry to look at the start?

Yesterday in the Goldikova Stakes, they DQ'd the 5 & 6 horses for interferring but not the 1 horse,who came in also from the rear view they showed of the stretch. I have just as much luck hitting the Lotto as winning on horses with those stewards... Lol

As a jock of a speed horse, any reason not to dust off another speed horse within 2-3 posts at the start?

Stewards explaination
 

Here it is - :eek:

http://espn.go.com/horse-racing/stor...classic-ruling

Then there is the Bill Finley take on it. :tro:

http://espn.go.com/horse-racing/stor...n-disqualified

"Field sent on their way to the roar of the crowd..."

And your selective screen grab shows what ?

That there is calm after the storm ?:rolleyes:

You could say that.

I just thought it a great shot.

I think it shows that this incident DID affect the outcome of the race. Moreno clearly gets a good jump but loses all chance because of what Bayern did. That in its own right is an infraction, let alone how it affected how the race was run.

Garcia did whatever he had to do in order to "cross and clear" on Moreno.

The fact that Shared Belief was one stall inside of him was coincidental, and he was bumped sideways as collateral damage.

Two one-way speed horses in the race, but Javier Castellano was not aggressive enough and Moreno was not quick enough. As soon as he was crossed and cleared he became odds-on to finish dead last...and Bayern's chances of winning obviously increased tremendously with a loose early lead.

In America, there's no in-race Exchange wagering. You're just supposed to "watch the beautiful spectacle and enjoy the pretty horses and colors"

In race exchange wagering is tricky business, we will never have in race exchange wagering. We should have exchange wagering though.

Imagine the odds you could have gotten on Texas Red in race while he was dead last on that speed favoring track.

:tro:

I think Upstart ran really well in that race with a bad trip. I know thats not really the point, but I dont see anyone discussing the races anywhere else.

It didn't seem speed favoring the last few races. I thought it was fair for the Juvenile, although the cavalry charge for the lead helped Texas Red.

I'm not sure if that was sarcasm, but you meant to tell me that Moreno getting smacked silly to the point that Javier almost fell off didn't affect his chances of getting the lead? Bayern was no where near clear of either Shared Belief or Moreno to have crossed over in a safe manner.

He's not even remotely close to saying that.

If it was not sarcastic, the way his post read to me was that Moreno was not fast enough or ridden aggressive enough to lead. I don't see how one can deduce that because the image showed that Bayern was not in a position to clear him and the force he took to knock him sideways halted his forward momentum. Bayern would not have been able to clear him if Garcia didn't cause the chain reaction to have Moreno bulled over.

Hovdey take
 

Always a good read - notice the photo too

http://www.drf.com/news/hovdey-rule-...-track-classic

You seemingly understand his post, yet you don't.

Yeah, that was very well said by Hovdey

:tro:

So well said, and it sounds a lot like what Privman said on ATR yesterday.

And thanks to Hovdey for giving voice to what I thought while listening to Beyer yesterday about Shared Belief's position in the turn, and doing a much better job than I ever could have.

aka "Offlee Wild's Revenge". yep, good read. thanks for the link.

WTF? Not sure where this overhead footage has been... http://www.hrtv.com/videos/2014-bree...-classic-bump/

WOW! With such a long inquiry, how does the director in the truck not show this to the viewing audience at least once? That has to be an NBC camera, right?
Definitely caused some disruption but it was not a "slam" as the head on implied. Thanks for the new look.

And if Colmus doesn't pronounce Bayern guilty on the break, the uproar is muted. when did he become a steward?

This view is no better than the head on views tracks supply when they are running on the turf courses when the rails are out. Easy to tell this view is on a slight angle and not directly above the horses. But yea, what took so long..

NBC camera angles are great for stewards inquiry reviews and not for normal TV viewing.