not yet

Come on man. KC at night is a tough place to play, we both liked them before the game. Brady has a bottom 5 WR group and no real running game. We have wasted draft picks on QB's recently, one of them who is now in Houston.... Instead of putting weapons around Tom.

It was a question as I am not sure. He has looked horrible thus far and his expiration date is approaching. If they dont have the tools to surround him with then what more can he do?

He never liked to be hit but now seems unwilling to take the hit to make the play. This combined with awful WR's and a mediocre line will be tough to overcome. He's certainly on the way down and Belicheck knows it.

He cant do anything, but if he was put on Denver, Seattle or any team with weapons he would be fine. He would make Detroit the 2nd best team in the NFC right now.

He would not.

He's a system qb. The new pretty boy will probably win them a super bowl in the next 3 years.

he doesn't have the protection he had before. i don't care how good the qb is, if he has no time, he won't do much.

There is no way he is better than Stafford. His arm strength is dwindling. Calvin Johnson will be out-running Brady's throws even on a bad ankle.

I agree with Coach. He was always a system QB, made famous by a stupid tuck rule, who was lucky to play with some pretty good defenses over his career.

The sad thing is they'll probably still win the division.

If I were a Jets fan I'd be super pissed. Ryan shouldn't be the head coach.

Another wasted year.

that system certainly made cassel look good when he filled in for brady.

just looked like a completely different team vs kc monday night.

Inexplicably trading away Logan Mankins for basically a backup TE to Tampa when you already have deep OL woes should be a clear signal that all is not well there.
It's as if they are forcing Brady's hand here - "Thanks for the memories, Tom, but we need to get younger at your position before we dedicate cap space for protection". He's got no receivers, a half-assed backfield, and no OL.

What could go wrong?

They dressed 3 wide receivers for the game.

"It's 3rd and 18, let's try a 4 receiver set and spread the defense. We run Gronk out 15 yards in the middle and have Vereen block before heading downfield"

"Uh, we can't"

Tom Brady might be in decline. But it's hard to judge given the other problems on offense.

He is much better then Stafford right now today still. What has Stafford done in this league other then underachieve??

I think part of that is because KC is really good. Pats are not that good this year thats a fact, but they will go 10-6. And they will 100% beat the Bengals this week.

yeah, that made no sense at all to get rid of him. and didn't tom help them out on his contract so they had money for others?
yeah, no player should do that...cause when the time comes, you're gone no matter how helpful you were thinking you were in the past.

Week 5

Minus 80 to start

Minn. +8 $200
Minn./Over 46.5 parlay $100

3-3 going into this game.
Packers minus 8 is the play tonight. Under what scenario is Minnesota even competitive?

Ah!!! Andy Dalton 18-6 SU/ATS in games off a win facing non-division opponent, including 6-0 during 1st 4 games of the season. Your 100% guarantee that the Pats will win, makes me feel so comfortable that the Bengals win on the road

Give Stafford a defense that can stop teams, then 2011 and 2012 can't so easily be forgotten.

If Brady was a Bear for his career, he wouldn't even be playing right now. Story always has been, you hit Brady and he is easily rattled. Hmm! HapPending quite a bit now

Certainly no scenario involving Christan Ponder

Joe Montana, in his prime, wouldn't have helped last night.

And I thought the Buccaneers were a mess. Wow.

was an ugly 'game'.
it was so bad i put on preseason hockey....edmonton vs vancouver!

well, they are.
the 'skins might win this next game. :rolleyes:

4-3

I had two friends come up to me after we almost beat the Eagles and say, "Well, looks like you found your starting QB"..

I responded "not so fast, Kirk has shown up yet". Of course he did show up for all the world to see the following week against the Giants.

It is with good reason he's the backup and has been the backup. Unfortunately, this redesigned offense does nothing but exploit RG III's weaknesses. He'll never be a pocket passer.

Big troubles in 'Ole DC. But we are used to it by now. :(


The Bucs on the other hand are in a horrible division, are getting 2 starting linemen and 1 starting DB back this week, and are playing against a horrid N.O. secondary. If they can get pressure on Brees like they did Rothlesberger last week, the outcome of that game is going shock many.

The line opened at 11 and is down to 10, I'd prefer 10.5 but it still is a good value at 10 IMO.

i turned off the giants game, it was beyond painful.
i don't think it matters whether cousins or rg3, we need a new owner (and a new qb).
but what i really don't get --why the hell did gruden keep haslett as the DC? that team used to at least have a D, doesn't even have that now!

Week 5 Continued
Minus $400

$100 Cincinnati -1
$100 Under Cleveland 44
$200 Under Tampa 48
$200 Over Denver 48

This one is too good to pass up

Buffalo +235
100/235

Hope you are not watching cause it is by far the worst officiating I have seen. NFL ==WWE

No...was napping.

Trap game of the week.

Now it's time to earn that paycheck.

...aaand they get a big first down then call a time out.

Then **** the bed and give derpface time.

This is a fine example of why I hate the NFL

4-3 going in...All plays have been posted.
Pats plus 2.5 for a large amount of money.
Good luck boys

Best of luck. :)

Thanks brother. Appreciate it.
BTW.... LSU looked STRONG last night.

They sure did..........I'm glad I didn't bet a large amount of money on them.:rolleyes:

I'm happy for you, and thanks for being happy for me. I appreciate it. I need this 5-3 start after last years mess.

5-3 on the year.

Seattle minus 7
That's the play tonight. They should dump truck Washington. Seattle's only loss this year keeps looking better, San Diego is rock solid.

That's a trap line, RHT.

But good luck.

Side note:

Bills might make this season somewhat interesting. Big game against Tom and the Unknowns next weekend. If they can win that game...well...could be Orton's lucky year.

I will be happy with meaningful November Football