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Danzig 03-07-2014 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 968438)
Unfortunately, it would not resonate so loudly if there weren't valid reasoning behind it. His foreign policy is an absolute, absurd, global joke - I don't know how that can even be debated - when you blindly authorize the bombings of civilians "in the interest of national security" and out of the other side of your face make pretend you're some sort of Mother Teresa when trying to solve everyone else's issues...Only Americans are the ones not getting it at this point.
my point being that no matter what obama does, it's wrong. when he bombed libya, it was wrong. now that he's not bombing russia, that's wrong.

bigrun 03-07-2014 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 968431)
gingrich is a fool.
for one, ukraine and crimea don't really mean much to the u.s.a. and it's interests. so, for him to suggest any action, anywhere on the globe demands our attention is pitiful.
putin and russia aren't powerful like newt makes them out to be. i know Putin thinks he's a world power/mover/shaker.
Putin is trying to expand his reach by keeping Ukraine friendly to Russia, rather than them going into the sphere of the west. his move into crimea won't win him many friends in Ukraine, and will only cause them to cozy up to the west that much more. this will backfire on Putin.


and i have to say, all this bs from the repubs regarding how 'strong' putin is, and how 'weak' obama is, is one of the worst exhibitions of cognitive dissonance i have seen in quite some time.
and ffs, who came up with 'mom jeans' as a slur? :rolleyes:

Fox heads have that covered...Stewart featured them last nite...His and Colbert's shows all week were spot on:tro:

dellinger63 03-07-2014 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 968431)
and i have to say, all this bs from the repubs regarding how 'strong' putin is, and how 'weak' obama is, is one of the worst exhibitions of cognitive dissonance i have seen in quite some time.:

If only the two would fight it out till the death and settle who's weak. Granted there is a 10 year age advantage v. Putin

Odds even?

All for charity (Ukraine) pay per view?

dellinger63 03-10-2014 08:58 AM
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The escalating standoff has seen Obama vow to impose travel bans and asset freeze on Russia officials held responsible for endangering the territorial integrity of Ukraine.

US officials have stressed that Putin himself is not on that list but also warn that Washington could pull out of a G8 summit the Russian leader is hosting in Sochi in June.
http://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-plans-...063306255.html

WTF :zz:

Hillary thinks Putin is following Hitler's plan while the administration leaves him off the list of those responsible.

bigrun 03-10-2014 01:50 PM
Yeah if only Obama had Dumya's balls he'd show them who's boss..:p

Danzig 03-10-2014 02:07 PM
i read earlier where cheney was rewriting history, explaing how russia invaded georgia after bush was out of office.

that would be wrong.

dellinger63 03-10-2014 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 969107)
i read earlier where cheney was rewriting history, explaing how russia invaded georgia after bush was out of office.

that would be wrong.
Hearsay of hearsay. Understandable you don't want to post a link.

A book I read a few years back outlines Russia's invasion and the discussions following within the Bush administration and Cheney was a part of it. Think the title was A Little War that Shook the World or something like that.

BTW Russia's invasion of Crimea without bloodshed or violence was the direct opposite of what happened in Soviet Georgia probably because unlike the Crimean's, the Georgian's did not want the Russians.

GenuineRisk 03-10-2014 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 969114)
Hearsay of hearsay. Understandable you don't want to post a link.
It's not hearsay; he did it on Face the Nation:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/saletan/2...y_doesn_t.html

hi_im_god 03-10-2014 06:44 PM
I think we should go to war.

Otherwise our votes in 2 elections for a hardass will have gone to waste.

Americans knew in 2008 and 2012 we were voting for someone who wouldn't be a wretched softie like Bush.

We voted for someone who would stride pridefully across the globe flexing his muscles. Putin rides a grizzly bare chested. Obama must ride the eagle naked.

hi_im_god 03-10-2014 06:48 PM
BTW: I'm just exhausted from the whole lower case persona. It's over in case anyone cared.

bigrun 03-10-2014 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by GenuineRisk (Post 969132)
It's not hearsay; he did it on Face the Nation:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/saletan/2...y_doesn_t.html
People are still interviewing Darth Vader:zz:

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If you’re reading this blog, there’s a good chance you’re liberal. Certainly, Slate’s reader comments show a strong leftward tilt. Many of them express sweeping contempt for Republicans. That’s understandable, because much of the GOP has gone off the deep end. When you watch the brain-dead House Republicans vote week after week to repeal Obamacare, or the latest Tea Party nut job call President Obama a traitor, it’s hard to take Republicans seriously.:tro:
Vance ..top comment..
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"Now be very quiet, boys and girls, we are approaching a Sane Republican. This is an extremely rare species, on the verge of extinction. Be careful not to startle it. They are timid creatures, beset by enemies on all sides. They exhibit almost human-like behavior, not to be confused with the Insane Republican, a creature with a loud, obnoxious cry and a tendency to dirty its own nest. Ssssh! Some Sane Republicans can be found in zoos, but it's unusual to see one in the wild.":tro:

dellinger63 03-10-2014 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by GenuineRisk (Post 969132)
It's not hearsay; he did it on Face the Nation:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/saletan/2...y_doesn_t.html
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The lesson of that, I think, it was—it came at a time, sort of at the end of the Bush administration, the beginning of the Obama administration.
History revised? I think not....

But that's why I called BS.

What was Obama's reaction to the invasion, or was that when he was being awarded the nobel piece of shiat peace prize?

dellinger63 03-10-2014 07:51 PM
Let's use this as an example.

Surely we 'Americans' can agree that Senior Citizens pensions and deductions ie. Social Security should not be used to finance/back the Ukraine promise of a billion or anything other than SS?

So just dedicate all future SS deductions be used for nothing other than SS payments or the account. In other words put it in not a lock box but in another f'n account.

dellinger63 03-17-2014 10:01 AM
Must say the Obama promise of 'dire consequences' was swift...

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The Obama administration on Monday imposed a new round of sanctions on Russian officials, self-declared leaders in Crimea and others deemed responsible for the unrest and instability in Ukraine.

In an executive order, President Obama named seven Russian officials whose U.S. assets now will be frozen and “may not be transferred, paid, exported, withdrawn or otherwise dealt.” Others, including former Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych, also have been targeted.
Just imagine the sheer agony of waking up tomorrow morning and all your Russian assets are frozen and can't be transferred. You'd no longer be allowed to conduct transactions using the ruble and countries like China and N. Korea may not take your money either. Would you be able to live with that hanging over your head?

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The seven Russian officials — not including President Vladimir Putin or Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev — were targeted based on power in a new executive order signed by the president on Monday morning.
Huh? Professional courtesy? Or is Yelena Mizulina, State Duma deputy, dictating Putin's next move.

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While Mr. Obama spoke to Mr. Putin on the phone Sunday night and promised further costs if Russia doesn’t pull back, the Russian president is not among the 11 people named.
Let me guess. No more Disney comps?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...-others-new-s/

Cannon Shell 03-17-2014 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 969937)
Must say the Obama promise of 'dire consequences' was swift...



Just imagine the sheer agony of waking up tomorrow morning and all your Russian assets are frozen and can't be transferred. You'd no longer be allowed to conduct transactions using the ruble and countries like China and N. Korea may not take your money either. Would you be able to live with that hanging over your head?



Huh? Professional courtesy? Or is Yelena Mizulina, State Duma deputy, dictating Putin's next move.



Let me guess. No more Disney comps?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...-others-new-s/
Does this affect the NJ nets? If so Joey will be so pissed...

dellinger63 03-17-2014 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 969941)
Does this affect the NJ nets? If so Joey will be so pissed...
Not unless the State Duma Secretary has some tickets she needs to scalp. If so you may have to pay in rubles until further notice. The travesties of war.

What we're doing to the list of eleven is almost inhumane.

bigrun 03-17-2014 11:54 AM
Yeah, where the heck are our tanks...:mad:...we are watching as Russia invades a sovereign country..we would never do that:tro:

dellinger63 03-17-2014 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by bigrun (Post 969947)
Yeah, where the heck are our tanks...:mad:...we are watching as Russia invades a sovereign country..we would never do that:tro:

Don't worry the freeze of all U.S. assets/transactions will work as soon as they try to access their Netflix and porn accounts. ;)

Danzig 03-17-2014 01:36 PM
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a...vasion_of.html



http://www.slate.com/blogs/saletan/2...ction_was.html

dellinger63 03-17-2014 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 969961)

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A referendum cobbled together in less than two weeks in the presence of thousands of undercover Russian soldiers will hardly show the true will of Crimea’s people, especially since the Crimean Tatars have pledged to boycott it. The Tatar community, which makes up 14 percent of the population, now fears it will be targeted as a result.

Crimea’s actual conflict isn’t ethnic; it’s the split between the suspicious, fearful sovok, or Soviet, mentality and a new generation of free minds. It’s little surprise that tearing down statues of Vladimir Lenin, founder of the Soviet Union, has become so controversial.
This conflict is between the 20% Tatar community and the majority. The Tatars are muslims and to believe they represent a generation of free minds is both insane and insulting.

An example of 'Free Minds' at work "a husband can have sex with his wife regardless of her consent. The bill also prevents women from leaving the house without their husband's permission, would restrict women's rights in matters of parental custody after divorce and make it easier for men to take multiple wives."

joeydb 03-17-2014 03:20 PM

bigrun 03-17-2014 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 969975)

Did Obama invade some country:eek:...if not carry on Barry:tro:

bigrun 03-17-2014 03:59 PM
Yeah, just try something and we'll bring back Cheney/Bush:tro:


Kremlin-backed journalist: Russia could turn US to 'ash'

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101499208

Danzig 03-17-2014 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by bigrun (Post 969984)
Yeah, just try something and we'll bring back Cheney/Bush:tro:


Kremlin-backed journalist: Russia could turn US to 'ash'

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101499208
well, been a while since such comments were made.

cold war part 2. awesome

Danzig 03-17-2014 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 969975)
:rolleyes:


the term 'apropos of nothing' came to mind as soon as i saw the post. good job.

bigrun 03-17-2014 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 969986)
:rolleyes:


the term 'apropos of nothing' came to mind as soon as i saw the post. good job.
:D

Danzig 03-17-2014 04:24 PM
i'm curious to know exactly what joey thinks obama could have done, or should have done, that hasn't been done in regards to crimea and russia?

joey, what should we do as a nation? what should obama do as president? what would the proper responses to these actions be?

joeydb 03-17-2014 04:55 PM
Maybe Obama should do something other than saying "There will be consequences" followed by ... nothing.

In other words - if we're not going to do anything about it, don't rattle the sabre. That was the worst thing (barring being stupid enough to go to war with Russia, which thankfully he has not shown he is capable of yet) that he could have done.

He did the same thing regarding Syria and ironically it was Putin who bailed him out by brokering a "deal" regarding chemical weapons. Whether the deal was ever going to work was immaterial - he was embarassing the nation with his repeated "don't cross the red line" and then - once again - nothing.

jms62 03-17-2014 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 969993)
Maybe Obama should do something other than saying "There will be consequences" followed by ... nothing.

In other words - if we're not going to do anything about it, don't rattle the sabre. That was the worst thing (barring being stupid enough to go to war with Russia, which thankfully he has not shown he is capable of yet) that he could have done.

He did the same thing regarding Syria and ironically it was Putin who bailed him out by brokering a "deal" regarding chemical weapons. Whether the deal was ever going to work was immaterial - he was embarassing the nation with his repeated "don't cross the red line" and then - once again - nothing.
She asked you in so many words what he should do. You are not even remotely trying to answer her question.

bigrun 03-17-2014 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 969993)
Maybe Obama should do something other than saying "There will be consequences" followed by ... nothing.
Right....Bush would have done something! thank goodness he's gone..

Quote:
In other words - if we're not going to do anything about it, don't rattle the sabre. That was the worst thing (barring being stupid enough to go to war with Russia, which thankfully he has not shown he is capable of yet) that he could have done.
Yes, good thing he's not as capable as dumya...

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He did the same thing regarding Syria and ironically it was Putin who bailed him out by brokering a "deal" regarding chemical weapons. Whether the deal was ever going to work was immaterial - he was embarassing the nation with his repeated "don't cross the red line" and then - once again - nothing
Right, he tricked Putin into dealing with the Syrians....and keeping our hands clean:tro:

dellinger63 03-17-2014 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 969994)
She asked you in so many words what he should do. You are not even remotely trying to answer her question.
Draw another line?

This time try drawing it in rainbow colors?

Like I said at the start, this guy was so far over his skis he was bound to go down hard just like the jumper at the start of the ole Wide World of Sports.

dellinger63 03-17-2014 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by bigrun (Post 969996)


Right, he tricked Putin into dealing with the Syrians....and keeping our hands clean:tro:
Keeping Assad in power with all his weapons sans a small percentage.

Even though he stated if the line was crossed Assad had to go as well as all the weapons.

Wonder if when Barack tells his children to brush their teeth and go to bed he's happy with the mother in law taking over and telling them to use mouthwash and go to bed before the sun comes up. :zz:

Danzig 03-17-2014 06:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 969993)
Maybe Obama should do something other than saying "There will be consequences" followed by ... nothing.

In other words - if we're not going to do anything about it, don't rattle the sabre. That was the worst thing (barring being stupid enough to go to war with Russia, which thankfully he has not shown he is capable of yet) that he could have done.

He did the same thing regarding Syria and ironically it was Putin who bailed him out by brokering a "deal" regarding chemical weapons. Whether the deal was ever going to work was immaterial - he was embarassing the nation with his repeated "don't cross the red line" and then - once again - nothing.
except there have been consequences, with sanctions having been put in place, and assets frozen.

at any rate, what should have been said? what should be done?

or you can just admit that it wouldn't matter what obama says and does, it would be wrong and subject to criticism.

dellinger63 03-17-2014 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 970006)
except there have been consequences, with sanctions having been put in place, and assets frozen.
We 'theoretically' froze the US assets of 11 Russians (mind you Putin not among them) whose collective 'U.S. assets' likely amount to a small amount of change, not exchanged when visiting the USA, while Russia moved over a $100 billion of US T-Bonds offshore.

This not so brilliant move makes 'Cash for Clunkers' look like a burp.

hi_im_god 03-17-2014 06:41 PM
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/03...ade-fox/198322

It isn't Joey's fault.

You've got to know when to gin up your base and when to let them cool their jets.

He's just reacting to stimuli.

bigrun 03-17-2014 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by hi_im_god (Post 970010)
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/03...ade-fox/198322

It isn't Joey's fault.

You've got to know when to gin up your base and when to let them cool their jets.

He's just reacting to stimuli.

Hmmmmm, sounds familiar..

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Please note that in August 2008, during President Bush's final months in office, a strikingly similar scenario played out when Russian forces invaded the former Soviet state of Georgia. At the time, the Bush White House sounded an awful lot like today's Obama White House. From Bush spokeswoman Dana Perino, now a Fox host:


"The United States supports Georgia's territorial integrity. We call for an immediate ceasefire. We urge all parties Georgians, south Ossetians, Russians to deescalate the tensions and to avoid conflict. We are work on mediation efforts and to secure a ceasefire, and we are urging the parties to restart their dialogue."
And what a shock this is.:zz:

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Yet unlike today, the Putin-led excursion in 2008 completely failed to spark the panicked rhetoric that's become Fox News' trademark since Russian troops crossed over into Ukraine last week. Notably absent from the 2008 Georgia coverage was relentless finger pointing and blaming the White House for the extreme actions of a foreign leader thousands of miles away. There was also none of the Putin cheerleading that we hear on Fox News today.
Fox reporting at it's best.

Danzig 03-17-2014 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by bigrun (Post 970018)
Hmmmmm, sounds familiar..



And what a shock this is.:zz:

Fox reporting at it's best.
that can't be right, bigrun....

dick cheney said that invasion happened under obama's watch. :D

we're not supposed to be involved all over...but then, we are. nothing like consistency. :rolleyes:

Danzig 03-18-2014 06:54 AM
still no answer on how we should be handling all this. shocking.

keep watching fox 'news', joey....it won't steer you wrong.

jms62 03-18-2014 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 970029)
still no answer on how we should be handling all this. shocking.

keep watching fox 'news', joey....it won't steer you wrong.
You will never get an answer on what he should be doing only what he shouldn't be doing after he does or doesn't do anything at all. Am I the only one that sees the hilarity in Joey posting a joke with the theme of blaming someone for everything?

dellinger63 03-18-2014 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 970033)
You will never get an answer on what he should be doing only what he shouldn't be doing after he does or doesn't do anything at all. Am I the only one that sees the hilarity in Joey posting a joke with the theme of blaming someone for everything?
He should tell the American people the truth. That the overwhelming majority of Crimea wants to align with Russia and we have no dog in this fight.

Stop lying to America about creating serious consequences for Russia. The gullible including Danzig believe freezing non-existent bank accounts and visas have negatively affected people holding those non-existent accounts.

Hint: Putin suggested putting the same restrictions on John McCain and Dick Durbin and unlike their Russian counterparts it didn't seem to bring any serious consequences instead it brought 'laughs' from McCain and 'honor' to Durbin.


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