jordan has also stepped up to the plate. a couple million last i saw have fled syria.

you'd think the arab league would step in...


haha! yeah, right. not sure why there even is an arab league. the middle east is imploding.

it's like europe 1000 years ago. hope it doesn't take them a thousand years to sort it out.

i'm even more disgusted now. people playing around like this is some kind of game. playing video poker during hearings, joking around about 'losing' money, rand paul running his mouth...a general asked to make comments, who laughingly says 'no, don't want to'.
acting as tho this will all be sooo easy. yeah, it always works out that way, right?
gulf 91 is the last positive action i can recall in that region.

The guy's we are supporting? :zz:

Everyone involved should start playing poker if it keeps us out of this.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/05/wo...t.html?hp&_r=0

http://hosted2.ap.org/APDEFAULT/3d28...d5a18ec77cdfd6


Sep. 5, 2013 9:27 AM ET

SPIN METER: Obama on use of US military might

By JOSH LEDERMANBy JOSH LEDERMAN, Associated Press



ST. PETERSBURG, Russia (AP) — As a candidate focused on his own election, Barack Obama championed restraint and global cooperation when faced with security threats.

Now, as commander in chief of a world superpower, his rhetoric of the past is being tested by the reality of today as he presses Congress to allow the United States to launch a military strike against the regime of Syrian President Bashar Assad, over the objections of most major U.S. allies.

It's a posture that conflicts with positions he took as a young senator, a 2008 presidential candidate and even a first-term president as he cast himself as a counterweight to the more aggressive approach to national security embodied by his Republican predecessor, President George W. Bush.

Right, Bush1 did it right..expell the Iraqis from Kuwait and push them back to their homeland..Halfway to Baghdad..His son should have read his book on why we didn't advance to Baghdad and Saddam.:zz:

:tro:


did the book say if saddam was removed, it would lead to chaos in iraq, as well as the rest of the region? that it would embolden iran and syria? that it would make things worse instead of better? that the other dictators all wanted saddam to stay, as they knew they'd all be targets in future? you know...just like putin doesn't want to be seen as backing regime change, engineered and orchestrated by rival countries...because he might well see it happen in russia? i mean, the people can only be placated by so many outdoorsy man with no shirt photos.

Didn't spell all of that out but was a given..

Shirtless Putin and poker playing McCain are the latest rage..:D
They pushed Weiner off the list..

Our President scares the **** out of me.

Can anyone tell me they honestly believe the man knows what he's doing?

What worries me now is that he has McCain and Boner on his side:eek:
Now that scares the **** outta me..

They all need to go.

I find it amazing the President went to congress 'to get the people's opinion' when all he had to do is look at recent public polls, swallow some pride and admit bombing Syria is crazy. Especially considering you have Assad on one side and al Qaeda on the other. And when Syria has been given more than enough time to relocate and hide military assets.

It seems the President now desires to slap Assad in the face with a glove rather than throw a punch. Very French-like of him.

Meanwhile in other news, the Treasury Secretary is warning we're running out of money again and our seniors and military might not get paid. No worries for the likes of Egypt, Afghanistan etc. they getting their paper. But let's keep focus on Syria. :zz:

wow.
weiner just got into a yelling match, saw it earlier.

he's a far cry from the guy who ran for office, isn't he?

i usually like being right...but i'd have rather been wrong about him and everything going on so far this year.
thus far, his 2nd term is going really, amazingly badly.

the only bright spot seems to be that the economy is doing ok. for now.

A Case for Not Bombing Syria
 

Has anyone seen a recent picture of Obama? His hair is rapidly turning pure white as he gets the crap kicked out of him on Syria and Obamacare.

I hope the Syria thing doesn't go for a vote, because there's no way that it will pass. That NY Times picture today sealed the deal. Obama needs to find a way out of this, and quick. I'm beginning to think that Kerry/Obama is starting to look like a Bizzaro Cheney/Bush thing.

it seemed like a done deal at first, but i'm not so sure that congress will vote to strike syria. it's not in our interests, in any way, shape or form, and would probably cause more problems than it would solve. because it would most likely solve nothing.

don't blame me I voted for Mitt :p:{>:


Oh and I say we should stay the F out of it.

Mitt..lol..puhleese:)

So are you oppsed to any US involvement even ifthere was absolute proof/admission etc that this guy is gassing his own citizens? Or are you agaibst it because there is some uncertainty?

Look at you the War Hawk now ;)

I guess I have now seen enough failed efforts in the Middle East and the lost of US life. Went to the Chargers game the other night. They honored the wounded warriors and those that lost their life. Not sure trading life for life is an answer. I know some people that suffer from PTSD - makes life very difficult for them and their families.

How long will be be before we have boots on the ground?

I absolutely oppose BOG, and hope there isn't a slippery slope leading to that.

thats one of my issues with the subject. there is no guarantee (how could there be?) that it wouldn't come to that eventually.

i have uncertainty about who used what over there. i also do not want us involved in someone else's civil war...especially when you don't know who the good guys are, or if there are good guys.

there's also the fact that the middle east is like a big pool of quicksand. doesn't appear too dangerous, seems easy enough to handle...and then the longer you struggle, the worse off you are.

lastly, what has it got to do with us? our national security, or the security of any allies? nothing. more to lose than to gain.

How morally bankrupt must an adult human be, to threaten raping an underage daughter of an enemy? And how evil must a country be to publicize said threat?

Got this email from a Texas bud...

Dear John & Grace,
The Bishops of the United States are asking that all Catholics join with Pope Francis in praying for a peaceful resolution to the crisis in Syria on Saturday, September 7. The Pope is holding a Prayer Vigil in St. Peter Square from 7:00 to 11:00pm Saturday night (that’s 12:00 to 4:00pm Dallas time). I would encourage all members of the parish to join as families and/or with friends in observing some form of prayer and fasting tomorrow. While our church is occupied all day tomorrow, the Eucharistic Chapel is certainly available for private/personal prayer should you choose to spend some time before the Blessed Sacrament reserved in the Tabernacle.

More information about the crisis and the position of the U. S. Bishops on the crisis can be found at http://cms.usccb.org/issues-and-acti...yria/index.cfm.

Please pray for peace!

Fr. Bob

Reverend Monsignor Robert M. Coerver, V.F.
Pastor
Saint Rita Catholic Community
12521 Inwood Road
Dallas, TX 75244

Nothing, nothing and yes...always turmoil in the middle east...and we are always trying to keep peace even if we have to start a war to do it.:zz:
and keep the oil flowing..:wf...damned if we do or don't:confused:

Suppose it beats bombing; barely!

Can't believe the church didn't ask for :$::$::$:

A Case for Not Bombing Syria
 

If I encounter a pair of wild dogs fighting in the street, I don't feel compelled to risk life and limb to break it up. Why in heaven's name does the US have to get involved in this mess?

There are atrocities being committed by both sides, and have been in every war (civil or otherwise) since the beginning of time. Taking action against one side implies aiding the other, a step we should not be willing to take at this time.

I used to like Kerry, but the more forcefully he sounds off, the less believeable he becomes to me.

lol..saw this tweet on a homepage:

"I don't think the country that sells Dolly Madison Pink Frosted Zingers should be preaching about using chemical weapons on people"

ha!!

good one. (and speaking of chemicals in foods:

http://news.msn.com/science-technolo...senic-fda-says )




and mike, good point about the wild dogs.

i get that we aren't supposed to ignore wmd use. but, if the u.n. doesn't care enough to fool with it, i think we should stay out of it. everyone knows what we'd do if they were used against us or an ally.

:rolleyes:


well, i guess it's progress from back when they'd call crusades. don't kill your fellow christians (less money in the collection plate) but by all means, go kill some infidels.

Exactly:tro:

:tro::D

Timely cartoon...bout sums it up..pay attn..

Hard to find much of anything that's not a powder keg or hornet's nest over there, for thousands of years! :eek:

True...got my email up Mike...and just got this from a friend...should go in the jokes thread but fits here for some..:D



HOW TO START EACH DAY WITH A POSITIVE OUTLOOK
>
>
> 1. Open a new file in your computer.
>
> 2. Name it 'Barack Obama.'
>
> 3. Send it to the Recycle Bin.
>
> 4. Empty the Recycle Bin.
>
> 5. Your PC will ask you: 'Do you really want to
> Get rid of 'Barack Obama?'
>
> 6. Firmly Click 'Yes.'
>
> 7. Feel better?

nope, wouldn't feel better. cause...joe biden

now kerry (and what's up with his face?!) is making the rounds, discussing video evidence...

why are we pushing this? why aren't we waiting for the un report?

and for anyone who wonders why the rest of the world isn't so keen to hear us...

let's see, the nsa scandal in which our govt. wasn't only spying on us, but also spying on our allies...
russia feels we lied to them back when it was libya that we were going to 'just strike a bit, but we're not interested in regime change'....and then it became regime change.
there's our sending a man with great credibility to the un regarding a certain dictator and all his wmd's....yeah, how'd we look after all that again?


we are untrustworthy right now. obama went to medvedev when it was his turn in the russian merry go round presidency seat, and said 'don't vote no on libya. trust me'. putin is no medvedev, he doesn't like us, he doesn't trust us...why would he? he doesn't believe in regime change, and knows what we did in libya.

Putin has sized up Obama...fall back America. I want no part of any more intervention, especially to help rebels who don't like this country either.

we need to get that reset button back from medvedev, and use it on this 2nd presidential term.

Can't Susan Rice come out again and lie it was all due to a video?

Curious why this President is so dead set on avenging Syrian deaths and so uninterested in those who attacked and murdered AMERICANS in Benghazi?

Or ANY American president avenging Geonocide in Africa. I guess the African lobby doesnt have deep enough pockets.