There is a huge difference between Louisville and Notre Dame. We are talking about the biggest name in college football with the biggest fan base across the country. The tradition of Notre Dame, the money they bring to the table, and the fact they could be 12-0 should be more than enough to give them their fair shot.

Plus Louisville had no issue walking into Pittsburgh and win with ease, while ND needed pure luck, a choked field goal and officiating help to win at home.

http://sportales.com/football/which-...gest-fan-base/

what's the comment got to do with ND? and besides, osu isn't eligible.

notre dame resting on tradition would be like saying harvard should go to a bcs game. bah humbug on your history. stubhub has alabama as the most popular team btw. notre damn isn't even in the top five.

What would draw bigger ratings, Bama vs ND for all the marbles or any other combination of games? I guarantee the ratings for that game would go though the roof.

Bama vs. Oregon would draw more. More intrigue for the true football fans.

But they were eligible enough to embarrass State Penn at the Beaver.

I thought of you after that game.



So fun!

unless 2 teams Ahead of nd lose, they are OUT. Bama passed them in the bcs computer. as long as the other teams keep winning they will pass nd too. nd is out of computer points.
the voters don't like them enough to save them........ for now.

psu losing doesn't bother me a bit.

bama vs anyone would draw ratings. you are aware that demographics have changed over the years?


for instance, bama vs michigan was the same time as usc vs hawaii. the bama game blew the so cal game out of the water ratings-wise.

At the hand of Ohio State....yes it does

I'm pulling for the State Penn players this year. they are being punished for crimes of crickety and disgusting old white men which they had less than zero to do with. Let's punish the teenagers at State Penn, that will fix it so says the NCAA (No Credibility At All)!! I'm sure this post will get the howling, braying monkeys out in full force here. I'm gonna go back to cleveland sporty things now. Good bye.

They had the opportunity to transfer.

You're just a contrarian douchebag.

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exactly. the chose to go there anyway. they aren't victims at all.

and you're wrong again. i bet you're used to it tho.

big liah!



At least I can spell "though".

Bet I'm not wrong....again.

somewhat, but why would a 5th year senior who may actually be a student transfer??....and I guess them getting their degree would not be punishing them at all, so I see your point I guess and in fact I was the one being the braying and howling monkey as normal!

I have the viewpont that it was a criminal case and the criminals are in prison and those who were invovled in the coverup are dead or no longer affiliated with the university. I'm not sure what particular NCAA violations occurred. It was to make them an example of football and basketball taking on an obscene place at a university and that is fine, but football and basketball having obscene importance at universities was not stopped whatsoever by the hideous situation at Penn STate.

As long as you can make an example of someone is good as long as nothing changes which it hasn't.

So what. Most of them went to Penn State with the dream of making it to the NFL. To think otherwise is naive.

The smart ones are just useful idiots to boost the GPA.

i know, but there's still those that aren't "most". And most didn't transfer as you spend 3 or 4 years in one spot, starting over is not too appealing especially when many in their 4th year now fully realize the NFL is likely not coming.

I was a NCAA athlete. It's corrupt as can be. Pardon me while I cut some onions.

I'll be back with a heartfelt tribute to those po' widdle fif year Lions.

Then why does the NCAA feign outrage when corruption occur?? Do whatever you want. The fif year Lions committed zero crimes that I can see regarding this particular criminal case. Penn STate is corrupt as anyone else regarding things not regarding this criminal case I understand that.

did you make it to fif year or were you one of those old time 4 year studs?

7 year Tommy Boy more like it. :D

You are 100% correct here. My thing is that nothing Penn St was doing was to gain any kind of competitive advantage. Other schools out there are paying players, giving them cars, employing family members, providing prostitutes, etc., in order to get the players and gain a competitive advantage. To me, those are the kinds of things that the NCAA should be worried about, not criminal offenses involving long since retired, jailed, or dead administrators and coaches. When kids are taking things illegally and you want to punish the school and the kids, fine. At Penn St, the kids that were victimized were already punished.......so let's punish a bunch more people that had nothing at all to do with anything. IF Paterno or any of the other administrators were still there, that would be different. But they aren't.

so the NCAA should not punish a "football above all else including child rape" attitude? Especially when that attitude let a monster run free for a decade? and the rape was occuring on football team grounds?


believe me, I think the punishment was a little much, but there were punishments that were needed, and I'm fine with Joe Pa being stripped of his wins, big fine, scholarships lost...

How do you punish an attitude? A school is not a living, breathing thing. It doesn't have an attitude. It's the individuals that are running things that have an attitude and all of them are either dead, in prison, or facing criminal charges. So they are being punished. The NCAA is there to regulate athletics. If there are things going on that are breaking competitive balance rules or things like that, that's where the NCAA steps in. I just don't see where they have jurisdiction in a case like this. I guess I just believe more in punishing those who are actually guilty than those that aren't. I'm all for taking away the wins and I'm ok with a fine too. I'm a little less sure about how I feel about them taking away scholarships and I'm 100% against them banning them from post season play. If those kids that are there now, who had nothing at all to do with any of this, are able to work their asses off and still make it to a bowl game in the face of all of the adversity they are forced to deal with, I say they should be allowed to play.

the punishments were less about going after people that are no longer there, and more about sending up a huge warning to all the other schools who might be tempted to engage in similar behavior.

While I understand this way of thinking, I'm not sure that I agree with it. Is what happened at Penn St something that's been happening at schools all over the country for years? Is it likely that if Penn St wasn't punished harshly that other programs are going to look at that and say "hey, they didn't punish Penn St so we can do the same thing"? I think the answer to both questions is no so I feel like if an excessive punishment as a preventative measure is as meaningless as making bullet proof vests mandatory for all citizens to protect against the chances of being shot and killed.

do you mean child molestation, or programs being treated like they are the main reason a school exists? if you mean the former, it's possible. if it's the latter, sure it happens quite often. the more coaches win, the more leeway they get. and it gets out of hand.
and excessive punishment? i don't think it was excessive.

She won't be happy until everyone in Happy Valley is dead.

Or unless all of the businesses dry up and everyone goes broke...........and then dies. Why not penalize all of the people that didn't have a part in it? Actually, as I typed this I started thinking that it probably would make more sense to penalize the town instead of the university/kids. I find it hard to believe that there wasn't talk around town and that some people knew what was going on.

The penalty was chiefly for lack of institutional control which of course is another way of saying covering things up. Penn State deserves to be punished, the players were just in the wrong place at the wrong time. Is it any less fair that the players on Ohio State that had nothing to do with violations there be heldout of a bowl game?

In the end the players at Penn State arent being penalized, they had an opportunity to transfer without recourse, they still have scholarships, they still are playing football, the better players will still get drafted. That they miss an Outback Bowl or 2 isnt really a hardship.

I'm wondering if the schools would just face huge fines instead. You get to go to the Outback Bowl, but you the school will not see the money from the bowl.

hyperbole. some say the poor kids, yet the kids are still coming there in droves.
i guess any and every ncaa sanction is actually against the kids, not the school? that's ridiculous.


you need a new routine.

The amount of free exposure that Bowls provide would offset any fine. The school and many of its highest ranked, highest paid officals overlooked child molestation in the building, on the campus and aided the criminal by allowing him to use Penn State buildings and property where he committed crimes. They were lucky the football program wasnt eliminated let alone be penalized.

There is no promise of the reward of a bowl game given to NCAA athletes. They get a pretty good deal already and these guys were given the option of leaving if they didn't like the sanctions. Life isnt always fair.

I think they did,too.

In fact,I think Riot,Jr. knew about it.

you need a new routine.


Well no.

Have you noticed your propensity for yakity yak in any and every topic known to NerdyTrail?

It's time to say "I agree" to anything Randy says over in the Padlock.



"Riot,Jr."....it works, don't you think?

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