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Mitt is the man who writes the checks, owns the land, barn, the farm business, takes it on his tax return, wife doesn't work, he's sole breadwinner, he rides his own trail horse at times, although he's not as horsey as Ann. Owner's agent here was a disaster, colluding with the vet. That means the owner - Ann Romney, if you will - colluded to defraud. Her name was taken off the suit in the settlement, but they forgot about the document statement from the expert witness tearing her story to shreds. So dang - Mitt is running for President, and the press still dug up this story - even though they settled out of court in exchange for removing Ann's name from the court records to try and hide the lawsuit - because the trainer got named to the Olympic team and Romney can't mix with mortals well. This happened a couple years ago - but the Romney's still employ this trainer? This known cheater? I cannot make any scenario whatsoever where any rational person - Mitt - could know they have a horse that could not be shown for 2 1/2 years because he is lame and done, knows he has ringbone, has paid multiple vet bills on this $125,000K horse that can't work (including insurance policies) - and suddenly the horse is sold as sound for $125,000 for a job it can no longer do? And they don't think that's weird? This has nothing to do with Romney's politics, but everything to do with the morals and business ethics of a man who wants to run this country. This isn't Mitt's first case of "money before living creatures". |
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i see the house oversight committee wants to charge holder with contempt. and that obama invoked executive privilege to withold documents and communications among D of J officials. always a comforting sign from our elected officials. but that's not important. that pales in comparison to a horse once owned by a candidate's wife. |
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After all, Issa swore he'd hold a hearing a day on the Obama administration from when the President was elected. Issa hasn't been able to come up with much, though. Darryl Issa will teach the Obama administration a lesson for cancelling a Bush gun running program. Issa voted for Fast and Furious when it started under Bush. I think the contempt vote in the House is next week. |
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First of all if you are spending $125,000 for a horse and you are doing a pre-purchase exam (which I have done on any horse I spent $10k or more on) you should dam well know who the vet is that is doing the exam. The drug screening should be done properly and immediately before doing anything else. If they did X-rays etc why did the buyer not become aware of any of these issues? A simple flexion test (which should have been done prior to x-rays) and with X-rays wouldn't some if not all of the lameness issues have shown up? Seems like the buyers vet was completely incompentent. Also when did these issues arise from the horse was it within 30 days? Most sellers of a $125k horse would take the horse back if such issues arose immediately. Also I know from doing these exams that my vets always tell me absolutely worst case scenarios and are extremely careful at what they tell me and always error on the side of caution. If you were spending $125k (which I can never imagine spending on a horse) I would think you would be able to find a competent vet to perform the exam and provide you with accurate information. Riot as a professional in this area I think your anger should be at your collegue and not the seller because you are making assumptions about the seller from your own political views. Many times owners of horses ride the horses, show the horses and are unaware of many issues that the horse can have because the horse may not show these issues. As one vet told me you don't ride x-rays and many horses can tolerate things that show up on x-rays. |
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it sounds like the case must have had no merit. but hey, that doesn't matter-it's an easy way to attack someone who isn't even mentioned in the original suit, and whose spouse wasn't in the final resolution. but considering who started this three page line of bs, i can't say i'm surprised that it's been brought up. |
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First, the involvement of the Romney's is what it factually is, no matter your characterization of my comments. Secondly, yes, when you have a horse vetted in a different location, you use a local vet (if you cannot fly a vet you know there) for the initial rads and blood draws, and no, you may not know that vet. This isn't the race horse world where trainers know a variety of vets at the tracks they frequent, and some vets will travel north and south for summer/winter. That's why you get 2nd or even 3rd opinion purchasing a sport horse. As this buyer did. All horses have problems. The suitability to work here was a big, direct lie by the sellers. Yes, the vet said he screwed up the drug screening - or was it deliberate? Because then he said he gave another, third, drug that was found, but he did not note the third drug in the medical record. Then that leaves one more drug, a fourth. The trainer - Romney's agent and legal representative at the sale -is suspected of giving that drug. The vet wasn't incompetent, as much as he was trying to sell a horse he knew was lame. The vet was complicit. The buyer had to get another vet to get the previous x-rays and history on the horse. A simple flexion test cannot diagnose ringbone - you need rads for low ringbone, as it's within the hoof, and yes, she had rads taken. The buyer was told that huge exotosis was always there, but that turned out to be a lie, when the second vet obtained the old x-rays for comparision, the old medical records, and went over the dressage scores the horse got in the past. The presence of ringbone is an immediate killer to 100% of sales for horses intended to work. It was not mentioned by the seller or vet at the time of sale. Then the found presence was attempted to be "explained away". Did anybody actually READ the expert testimony? :D All these details are in there. The horse was demonstrably lame for some time. Not just "problem on xray" or a "little deformity". Quote:
As I have said, yes, I have great anger at incompetent and cheating veterinarians. But I also have great anger for cheating trainers and owners that dope and sell lame horses. But this horse, again, was lame with ringbone - treated repeatedly for ringbone - for 2 1/2 years before the Romney's sold him. Ann knew she couldn't ride her horse, and knew why. For 2 1/2 years and multiple steroid injections. Then suddenly the horse, who cannot be shown by Ann in lower level dressage for 2 1/2 years - is for sale as a serviceably sound, capable upper level horse for $125,000? Baloney ;) There is zero scenario where the owners of this horse they knew was lame and not showable in dressage, do not know how the horse was "made sound" to pass the prepurchase. Especially when the vet called the owner agent - and not the buyer client - to discuss those nasty positives that were "found". The argument that the Romney's didn't know Ann's horse was lame and it's career was over for 2 1/2 years - before they doped it and sold it as sound and $125,000 - is beyond absurd. And after that doping 4 years ago, the Romneys choose to be still with the same trainer. The trainer that doped a horse they were selling, and caused a lawsuit. |
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And I'm not surprised at those here who are insisting the Romneys were not shocked that Ann's chronically lame horse, with ringbone, that couldn't be shown because it was lame, was magically sound one day, sold as an upper level dressage horse, for $125,000. Because that's just ... normal. It was all the vet's fault according to those here. Not the trainer (who gave another painkiller on his owner as the owners legal agent). Owners were clueless but thrilled they suddenly made such a windfall profit on Ann's lame, useless horse. One man's lame, useless, former dressage horse is - with the magic of four sedatives/painkillers - suddenly an upper level dressage horse again, and expensive! Horayy! Business deals are great! Seriously? You guys expect the world to buy this fantasy defense of the Romney's selling a drugged-sound horse for big bucks? Of course ! The trainer and the Romneys are completely innocent. The vet did it all - in secret? - and the buyer - the victim of this fraud - well, it's her fault for getting taken for $125,000! The only people at fault here on Derby Trail are the vet and the purchaser. Why, if the Romneys and trainer had known someone was trying to buy their lame, ex-dressage horse they would have stepped in and prevented it! They knew the horse wsn't lame. Please. I'm ROFLMAO at the Romney defenders. The sad thing is I know may of you guys like horses. |
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Any buyer will walk away immediately from any horse with ringbone. Everyone knows that. Nope. A horse, drugged up to pass for sound, was introduced as horse who was capable of doing upper level dressage. here you go, try the horse! And they accepted the check for $125,000. I can't believe you are trying to defend these low life scum horse dealers, and trying to blame the victim of their fraud and deceit. Quote:
Okay, guys, your turn: Let's hear the plausible way this went down, consistent with the findings and dates in the expert witness statement, that shows the Romney's could not have know their lame horse was sold as sound. For $125,000. Explain how the Romney's are innocent and unknowing. |
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Last chance: can any of you, going through the expert witness testimony about what records were obtained about what medical history, and when - make any remotely credible case that the Romney's didn't know a thing about their doped unsound horse that wasn't shown for 2 1/12 years suddenly being sold as a sound upper level horse? Anybody? Bueller? |
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Next time some horse trainer gets caught with a positive, I'll remember you guys saying positive drug tests simply do not matter if you are Mitt Romney. Face it: the conservative robot who drove 12 hours with his scared, defecating dog in a crate on the roof of a station wagon (a dog who then ran away upon arrival and was "left there" in the wilds of Canada by the Romney's when their vacation was over) did nothing about his current employee trainer, who drugged Ann's lame horse with xylazine, detomidine, butorphenol, and ronifidine so that the no-longer-useful ringbone horse could be sound long enough to be dumped on an unsuspecting buyer for $125,000 - and bought the Romney's a lawsuit for fraud. Well done, Mitt ! Your fans admire your treatment of animals and your willingness to screw a horse and purchaser for money! You deserve it, Mitt! Screw the lady who had to sue you to get her money back. Quote:
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The buyer "alleges"? when the vet she hired to do the pre-purchase exam admits giving 2 or 3 (he can't really remember) of said drugs. He also "assured" her the foot wouldn't be a problem. What qualified vet would give an assurance like that?????:zz:
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Exactly: what idiot vet would call ringbone "cosmetic blemish"? A lying one. Then after the horse came up positive for four drugs, the vet changed his story and said well, I gave the xylazine, too. But that still leaves the last sedative/analgesic. And a big fat lie. The vet also called the Romney's trainer to inform them the horse failed the drug test - not his client. Yes, this vet is a loser and a cheat. No veterinarian supports this vet. Read the expert's testimony, it's all right there. Ann Romney's horse has ringbone. Gets worse. Horse no longer can perform to elite level, is lame and given steroids regularly into joint. Horse didn't show for 2 1/2 years because lame. Romney's decide to sell horse. The horse that was sold was not lame, and was sold as a "upper level dressage horse" for $125,000 The horse failed the drug test with four, count 'em, four painkillers/sedatives on board. The horse could not perform as an upper level dressage horse. The horse has terrible ringbone and was retired to pasture. Lawsuit for fraud and deceit. This isn't hard to understand. This is a common way of dumping a useless injured horse on someone else. You get the purchase price, you don't lose the insurance money. Trainers drop them in a bottom level claiming race, or drug them and sell them as "sound" when they can't do the job you're selling them for. Plenty of ways for the unscrupulous to dump a horse that no longer has value, while getting that last money out of it. Then the useless horse is someone else's problem. $125,000 to Mitt and Ann's tax return for the horse farm business deduction. It was a profitable year! |
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She was right. Seriously - you guys readily read random internet posters, but refuse to read the 21 pages of evidence from the expert? :D What do you suppose the judge prevented the Defendants from talking about? What do you think that was all about? The evidence regarding Defendants the judge said wouldn't be released? BTW, the bloggers all have the drugs misspelled. Does that mean that, in Romneyworld, the charges are false as there are no such drugs? :D |
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Keep on twisting your own words around Riot.:tro: Far be it for me to point out that you were the one who quoted the blogger's post to begin with. You continue to amuse me and for that I thank you.:) Have a pleasant evening.
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And someday, if you have time, you might find it interesting to read the expert testimony destroying Ann Romney's story about this horse, the pre-purchase vet, and the trainer. And I still wonder what Defendant Sanctions the Romney's requested be lifted by the judge? Doping a horse with multiple painkillers to sell him. That's nasty business. To bad so many here condone it. |
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You still fail to mention any objection to selling a horse that proved to be doped up on three painkillers and a tranquilizer. Just wondering: to you think that was wrong? That's right, eager conservatives of Derby Trail: the Romney's had a chronically lame horse, unridden for 2 1/2 years, which they magically sold as "sound" (while filled with four painkillers, failed drug test) for $125,000, which is $25K more than they paid for the horse. But the Romney's knew nothing at all about their lame horse. And if you keep calling people that bring it up "crazy" (you know, unlike birthers and truthers), you can probably convince yourself this means nothing at all. Quote:
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Some of Ann's deposition testimony. The lawsuit lasted 18 months before they agreed to a settlement right before it came before the judge.
We still don't know what "Defendant Sanctions" the judge placed on the Romney side, that their lawyer requested be removed. Oh - if you are of German descent, Ann Romney say's you're easy to get mad at. Because "Germans" are upsetting like that. It's just the way "they" are. Quote:
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You can keep attacking me all you like - for the record I found it profoundly intriguing that your criminal in chief bragged about being born in Kenya, refused for three years to even acknowledge that he had a responsibility to disclose his homeland - even though he studied constitutional law at Harvard - and then used a technicality in the law to refuse to divulge it. Only after pressure from virtually everyone except you and your lemmings did he manage to use his influence to get Hawaii to come up with....something....
So you can shove your "birther" label straight up your ass. You don't know me, and if there is a God, you never will. I was born in upstate NY. Anyone, from an employer to a bank can find that out in 30 seconds. How hard would it be for someone to find out where you were born? Would it take 3 years and the Dept. of Justice to intervene to come up with? Fool. You are a fuc1<ing dolt. |
wise up mookie
If i guy named Barack Hussein Obama was smart enough to get elected president of this country, without being born here, Then he is definitely the man for the job. Let him finish what he started and everything will be fine. (Not Bill Clinton fine) but as good as we're gonna get.
Romney is Greg Stillson....does not everyone realize this yet. if someone could post a Greg Stillson link it would be awesome. |
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as allways, riot makes her salient point..i can bash who i want .take things out of context at will,produce a pie chart that backs my insane opinion..romney is scum. obama is god. all he needs is to 'finish the work hes started'....wake the **** up..he has created no new jobs.he ruined our kids future.hes played 100 rounds of golf in his 4 years.i myself would vote for my pet min pin cooper before obama... |
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well, that sounds almost like---wait for it---- 'if you're not with us, you're against us'. i'd imagine that not one person here would ever condone a horse being abused. i know i was incredibly angry when i read about the latest soring allegations that came out. but this case, being settled-no money paid, mrs romney removed before the settlement, mr not even mentioned...sounds more like a 'throw crap against the campaigns wall and see if it sticks' to me at this point. or at the very least, hysterical ranting from an obama fan (short for fanatic don'tcha know) or zealot, whatever you wish. |
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The subject of this thread was how much did the Romney's know about Ann's horse being sold loaded with painkillers to hide an injury, and a lawsuit filed against them over that fraud.
Certainly an apt subject for those that have spent so much time talking about doping horses in the racing industry. This also involves a trainer that was just selected for our Olympic team this year. That the Romney's are still choosing to use. That doesn't bother anybody, huh? The subject isn't Obama. Isn't Fast and Furious. It's not that Obama is a secret Kenyan Muslim illegal non-citizen. It's not about how much you hate other posters that voted for Obama. Dismiss the subject out of hand, refuse to familiarize yourself with the details, change subject to attack the Obama administration, change subject to attack posters you don't like ... Helloooooo ? Anybody there that wants to discuss the case? Still waiting for any one of you to make some plausable argument, based upon the facts of the case as revealed in the (unfortunately revealed to the public even through attempts to hide it's existence) expert witness testimony, showing any possible scenario that the Romney's were completely ignorant of their horses' health problems at sale time? Are owners that hire agents and give them legal authority to act in their name absolved completely if the agent does something illegal? And what are the "Defendant Sanctions" the judge put on Ann Romney and her trainers? |
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