OHHH Lava Man MAY get my third place in the tri too. I say Sun King above Invasor though. I like Bernardini. He has won his races very easily, but there is just something that keeps me from falling head over heels for this horse. OH yeah, Barbaro. A wall comes up because of Bernardini's win in the Preakness. I think of that day as a dark one and I can't get past it. I think if Bernardini had not run in the Preakness I may be more on his bandwagon. Call me crazy...

If the field for Classic is what I think it is going to be then I love Sun King in this race. He is really the only horse who can make a strong middle move. Churchill plays right into his running style. I will be in Louisville the week of the BC and I will report back on how Sun King is doing.

I was VERY mad at Gary last year after that ride. I know it wasn't REALLY his fault, but I was still mad at him.

Cool! Thanks Euro. Fill us in on what you see with all the horses.

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No sir, your wrong there....the differnece between a mile and 1 1/4 miles is the TWO TURNS MORE THAN ANYTHING....Could Silver Train get a mile anywhere other than a place like Belmont, AQU, CD or ARL where it is a ONE TURN race?...I doubt it....But, could Silver Train get 1 1/4 miles if there were such thing as a one turn 10-furlong race, who knows...maybe...

What people don't undertstand about stamina is that most of the time it has to do with having the ability to negotiiate the second turn rather than the distance....your exapmle was dead horrible and I'm really shocked you used it...

I'm kind of on the same boat, but I think my problem with Bernardini is his connections (which surely isn't his fault) and to be completely honest, I don't like the way he looks. LOL Other than those two things, the horse is amazing. What most people need to remember though is that he hasn't faced older horses yet. I want to see him race against older horses. I was extremely impressed with Showing Up even though he didn't win the race against Cacique. For a 3 year old, he "showed up" literally. :cool:

You don't like how he looks? You must need glasses, how can you say that about the greatest race horse of all time?:D

This is correct in my opinion. Take a horse like Pleasant Tap back in in 1991-92. Couldn't win a race around two turns ANYWHERE. But put him at 10f at Belmont where it's only one-turn and he dominated the Suburban (1:58 4/5) and the JCGC.

He's just one example but there are plenty more of those horses that couldn't stay 10f anywhere but Belmont. I agree that the second turn is more of a reason than distance as to why more horses can't handle it.

There's something about his eyes I don't like... LOL He looks likes a fruit loop, but like I said, that's just my stupid opinion and obviously it holds no merit for how fast he can run. :D

HUH? Now I think he is a nice horse, but the greatest of all time? HUH? Maybe you need glasses or have you just been following racing since the Preakness? Don't dub him that yet. Let him prove it first. :p

I think he was kidding, Buffy. LMAO :D

I think he is a pretty horse. I know what you are saying Cajun. I thought the same thing about his eyes. Just didn't know what it was and I can't put a label on it.

Then I apologize PointG. I was really only responding with sarcasim.

That's funny, Buffy always telling people to be nice, then she cracks on me, lol...Keep it up Buffy, I love when people crack on each other, even if it's me being cracked on....

Thanks Euro. Any information will certainly be appreciated on this end.

Bernardini is the most amazing and intelligent looking animal I have ever laid eyes on. I was seriously wow'ed everytime I saw him at Saratoga. He knows he is King of the Land. :)

I am in a silly mood today and am being very sarcastic today. Luckily my boss is out of the office today! :D

Kind of like his connections, which might be why I don't like him. LMAO :D

Good post. Thanks.

(I'm a bit prejudiced toward any post that lauds Ouija Board, though!)

--Dunbar

I'm not going to be so silly as to call him the greatest racehorse of all time, but his looks are quite frankly flawless, the horse moves and looks like a painting, a very fine one at that!

I think the picture she was referring to him about his eyes is where he was focused and looking intently at something, his eyes were wide and he looked surprised, of course me being an Arabian breeder we love that look, it accentuates a lovely face, our magazines are full of stallions snorting and blowing and looking so alive! It's part of their beauty to me. I've never been a walk, trot, stumble kind of Quarter Horse fan, give me the hotbloods anyday! :D

DaHoss,

I would never compare times from different races on Million day...that'll get you in trouble....Showing Up ran a much faster time than Cacique did yet Cacique ran by him like he was standing still in the Man o'War the other day...and two years ago Kitten's Joy ran faster than Powerscourt when winning the Secretariat, but we found out which horse was difinitively better the next year in the Million.....don't always judge times....

Also, I'd like to point out that Film Maker, whom many believe is definately in the top 5 turf fillies and mares maybe in the world, closed into that same fast pace yet she was still no match for Gorella who was closing with strides that were 2-to-1 better than Film Maker's....and she won easily under the wire..

I'm telling you, I'd bet ANYTHING 1 3/8 miles would not be an issue with her....

You should see some of the Quarter Horses hunters/jumpers and dressage horses that I ride. Why, some of them are more hot-headed than some of the Arabs that I've ridden! In fact, the Anglo-Arab mare that I once owned behaved 10 times better than my Quarter Horse does now...LOL! No, I know how rambuctious the halter Arabs can be. I was at a Regional Arab show practicing judging once in Raleigh, NC, and a darn Arab stallion reared up, fell backwards, and rolled over. He was the most correct horse in the class though, and in halter, you know that it doesn't matter if they act up so long as they are still long enough for the judge to get a good look at them. He stood right back up as if nothing had happened and won the class!

I too like those bright burning eyes that Bernardini has. He is a very mature and regal looking horse. His eye reminds me of the Slew's eye. I think that Bernardini epitomizes the "look of eagles". I'm also pretty sure that he is probably a mean and rambuctious horse, but highly intelligent. He sure is beautiful and can run though which is all that matters. Champion screams out at you when you lay eyes upon him.

And that's probably why I don't like the way he looks. I was never big on Arabians. (No offense.) I'm not a QH person either, but nothing beats a horse with wideset liquid eyes. (Kind of like Barbaro. ;))

Juvenile Fillies: Point Ashley
Juvenile: chief officer
Mile: aragorn
Distaff: pine island
F & M Turf: ouija board
Sprint: back to ya on this one...
Turf: cacique
Classic: see sprint above!

have read in the past that it's hoped gorella could go in the mile, IF they felt lady of venice would have a good chance in the f+m...so one would have to think that if lady can't run, or they don't like their chances, that gorella would go in there instead of the mile.

also, people, please remember that this is the day the very best come together. no horse is guaranteed a win...cough cough rock of gibraltar....

i like gorella, love to watch her run, come in from way back and sweep by the field BUT i laugh every time i see her, or pretty much any horse, being 'given' an easy win by the fans. her style in particular is one that can see defeat, and with larger fields oftentimes does. don't get me wrong, i'll enjoy her winning as much as anyone, even more so if she does it against the boys--but please keep the hype down just a tad.

He told me recently she was headed to the mile but I suppose that could change. You can always pre-enter in both races and take a look. I can easily understand arguments for both races, and while I would tend to prefer her chances in the mile, the fact is she will most likely be a shorter price in the F&M Turf and there's a reasonable argument that you are simply supposed to run her where her odds are the lowest ( on the board that is ). On the other hand, the Mile has a bigger purse and is probably considered a more prestigous race. Either way I guess it's a good predicament to be in.

I will root for her because I like Patrick but I doubt I would bet her in either spot. You're point about her running style possibly hurting her in a big field is a good one, just look what happened last year when she was arguably best, and it is far from clear she is the best horse in the race anyway. I guess we can wait and see the field.

I think one of the reasons she gets so much hype is her name....honestly. Another reason is she is an exceptionally good horse.

she is a good horse...seems many go gaga a bit more tho over a horse with her late running style. i'm not trying to take a thing away from her, she's been remarkable all year. but i do get a grin on my face when i see people suggest that she would easily handle the likes of ouija board!!

i think she'll go in the mile, really regardless of where lady of venice ends up....because it's the better fit for her, better for her to run a late closing on the board finish, or maybe even the win, than to end up running out of gas, and out of the money, against the gals while going long the first time.

i wouldn't be surprised tho to see lady of venice show up in the f+m turf if she's training well. we all know anything can happen.

Comon, man.....Showing up ran like 15 lengths faster than The Tin Cup through the first six furlongs of the race, yet he still ran a faster overall time in the end....tomato/tomatoe, man....You still haven't answered the question of how Film Maker failed to match strides with Gorella closing into that fast pace.....Film Maker is a VERY respectable turf mare in the world with two very respectable BC F&M Turf finishes, yet Gorella's closing kick dwarfed Film Maker's and she won with complete ease at the wire.....just the facts....

Bottomline: I almost stake my ability to evaluate horse racing that Gorella will effectively get 1 3/8 miles....

I'm not sure I suggested she'd easily handle the likes of Ouija Board...I simply said that she'd have a better chance of winning the F&M Turf based on waht I currently know IMO....that said, Ouija Board will be tough BUT THERE IS NO BREEDERS' CUP RACE EVER RUN THAT WAS A WALK OVER...comon man....

The FACTS here are that she WOULD be lower odds in the F&M Turf rather than the Mile....just the facts....

i didn't have you or your posts in mind when i typed my posts above. and i just said no race would be easy so i'm not sure why you felt you had to remind me that no race was a walkover. i do think that the f+m turf might be a bit easier than the mile for gorella...but ouija for one has been giving the boys fits all year, carrying more weight than she will in november at churchill (carrying as much or more weight than the males here as well!)...some of the others will be tough as well, and have been tried at that distance in the past. gorella facing top competition and a new, longer distance would be interesting to say the very least.

I respect that, but I still am sticking with the feeling that the F&M Turf field will be less quality all the way through than the Mile field....we'll see....it IS boys instead of girls in the Mile.....I'd rather face girls ALL DAY than the best male Milers in the world, regardless of Ouija Board being in the F&M Turf...she is only 1 horse....

i belive librettist will also be in the mile.
and don't forget angara for the f+m turf either. altho i think at this point they're all a slight step behind ouija board.

Yeah, I like the face on Barbaro too. My QH yearling that I had to put down had a face like Barbaro. That's the look of the kind of horse you want to have as a show horse. In my experience, horses that have a face like Barbaro's are highly, highly intelligent, very people oriented, and very sweet. My QH yearling was the most intelligent animal that I had every worked. He had such a wonderful, loving, and curious personality. He would come trotting up to you as soon as you went to the gate of the pasture. I didn't think that horses could have those kinds of relationships with people before I got him. He left me too soon:(

There is talk of the Mile for What A While as well.....