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wiphan 05-16-2012 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 861254)
According to the US Bureau of Labor Statistics (the nationally-recognized standard) Wisconsin lost 23,000 jobs in 2011, the worse state in the national (every other state posted equality or gains)

The newspaper article you posted listed 39,000 jobs lost via different method. And then a method used by Walker alone to show that everyone else is wrong, he's really created jobs.

I'll stick with the historical accuracy and common use of the US Bureau of Labor Statistics, used nationally and for some time to accurately quantitate job losses in all states.



Those are opinion. Not fact. There is a difference, you know.



I can't speak for "the Democrats" (and either can you) but no, I do not hope Wisconsin fails.

IMO, the Walker adminstration has been already been a disaster for Wisconsin, and the fail exists now: lying, budget overruns, union busting, job loss.

I am working hard to help contribute to his recall be effective, and for Walker to be voted out of office.



:zz: What "survey" are you referring to? What "logic"?

I mentioned is that Walker is ahead of Barrett in the polls now by, at the least, 5 points (range 5-6). That's fact, not "logic". You're just not making sense now.

In honor of your anger and discomfit, I just donated another $50 to Tom Barrett via Act Blue for his ads.

He's five points behind, he needs all the help he can get against Walker's outside oil money and national backers for the ALEC and Koch Brothers agenda. Scott Walker is a liar, and needs to be voted out of office. I am glad there is a historic recall election of this governor, he deserves it. I certainly stand behind my friends and family working hard to do so in Wisconsin. You are free to vote for Walker, and work hard for his re-election.

keep sending the money Barrett needs it.

Why don't you take the time to learn how the department of labor comes up with their figures? Once you understand this maybe then you can see how the numbers that were reported today are much more accurate. There are independent economists that have verified this as well.

Riot 05-16-2012 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by wiphan (Post 861276)
keep sending the money Barrett needs it.

Why don't you take the time to learn how the department of labor comes up with their figures? Once you understand this maybe then you can see how the numbers that were reported today are much more accurate. There are independent economists that have verified this as well.

No, the figures are not "more accurate", they are different, using different parameters.

Walker has to go to this obtuse method to show a job gain.

Most people, especially economists, are aware of that. I am. You?

The good thing is that, due to other recalls, Walker has already lost his majority of legislature, so the checks and balances on his ALEC and KOCH agenda will now be in place, even if he wins his recall election. There are still other recalls pending on election day, too. Wisconsin citizens are mad. They recalled these dangerous bozos as soon as they could legally do so. Historic lack of voter confidence.

The worse thing is Walker lied during his campaign, and lied to the public after his election. He said he was not trying to union bust, but he's caught on video tape saying his intention is to "divide and conquer" to union bust. He's a proven, demonstrable liar, and a mere tool of the ALEC GOP agenda. Here is the video of Walker lying. With comments from George Carlin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLuze...layer_embedded

That's a bit worse than "ACORN registers voters OMG!"

Walker also has a massive ongoing felony investigation of the illegal political practices that occurred within his office at his last government job, has had to create a defense fund for that (only permissable to legally create if he's undergoing investigation) and he's ruined the states' budget, with massive deficit due to his tax cuts and with his having to take money from suffering homeowners to close a little bit of his gap. I can't imagine why you are so angry and defending this loser. If the above had been done by a Democratic governor, you're head would be exploding in your rush to get him recalled and out of office. So would my head. That's why Walker has been recalled, and must undergo another election if he wants to regain his seat.

wiphan 05-16-2012 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 861300)
No, the figures are not "more accurate", they are different, using different parameters.

Walker has to go to this obtuse method to show a job gain.

Most people, especially economists, are aware of that. I am. You?

The good thing is that, due to other recalls, Walker has already lost his majority of legislature, so the checks and balances on his ALEC and KOCH agenda will now be in place, even if he wins his recall election. There are still other recalls pending on election day, too. Wisconsin citizens are mad. They recalled these dangerous bozos as soon as they could legally do so. Historic lack of voter confidence.

The worse thing is Walker lied during his campaign, and lied to the public after his election. He said he was not trying to union bust, but he's caught on video tape saying his intention is to "divide and conquer" to union bust. He's a proven, demonstrable liar, and a mere tool of the ALEC GOP agenda. Here is the video of Walker lying. With comments from George Carlin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLuze...layer_embedded

That's a bit worse than "ACORN registers voters OMG!"

Walker also has a massive ongoing felony investigation of the illegal political practices that occurred within his office at his last government job, has had to create a defense fund for that (only permissable to legally create if he's undergoing investigation) and he's ruined the states' budget, with massive deficit due to his tax cuts and with his having to take money from suffering homeowners to close a little bit of his gap. I can't imagine why you are so angry and defending this loser. If the above had been done by a Democratic governor, you're head would be exploding in your rush to get him recalled and out of office. So would my head. That's why Walker has been recalled, and must undergo another election if he wants to regain his seat.

Keep trying to change the subject. Please explain to me how the department of labor obtains their numbers and how the numbers were obtained that were released today?

BTW- Barrett's wife used her email at MPS during the time which she was working at MPS for political purposes. I don't see you reporting on that. Nor is the liberal media. Many of your above comments are completely false, but I am trying to stick to the subject of jobs

Riot 05-16-2012 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by wiphan (Post 861308)
Keep trying to change the subject. Please explain to me how the department of labor obtains their numbers and how the numbers were obtained that were released today?

It's not "changing the subject" of recalling Walker to mention his ongoing felony investigation, his budget crisis, his taking of money intended towards homeowners, his being caught lying about union busting red-handed, or Wisconsin's "worse in the nation" jobs loss performance.

But back to Walker lying about labor statistics ... Here you go. Here's a good explanation about the unverified (non-corrected for error) numbers Walker has released early, from Forbes.

It is an in-depth, two-page analysis with good information.

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Scott Walker Magically Turns Dismal Wisconsin Job Numbers Into A Pre-Election Miracle


With Wisconsin suffering the worst job loss numbers in the nation for the calendar year 2011, Governor Scott Walker promised yesterday that he will reveal newly revised numbers this week that will, effectively, change water into wine on the Wisconsin job front.

And he’s done it just in time for the June 5th recall election.

So, just how is Walker about to turn Wisconsin’s dismal job numbers from lemons to lemonade? (Note: See Update at the end of this article discussing the Governor’s revisions out today, May 16th)

The Governor has simply decided to ignore the system used by the Department of Labor —and every other state in the nation —to measure job growth (or loss) and elected instead to go with a different set of numbers that makes things in Wisconsin look better.

Who knew it could be so easy to solve a jobs crisis?

With Wisconsin’s lagging job growth now driving voter sentiment as the state heads towards the June 5th election,

Walker’s Wisconsin Department of Revenue’s Chief Economist, John Koskinen, offered a presentation last week to Walker staff members and state economic officials accountants from the Association of Government Accountants wherein he made the case for an alternate system of measuring job creation— one that would be ‘unique’ to the Badger State.

... snip ...

Koskinen’s essential pitch is that the Establishment Payroll Survey—the Department of Labor (DOL) survey conducted each month to produce the jobs numbers—is an unfair way to go about counting jobs in Wisconsin. Why? Because the numbers look worse for Wisconsin under this method of counting than they would when the state relies upon on a different survey done each month by the DOL entitled the “Current Population Survey.”

The problem is, whether convenient to Wisconsin or not, the Establishment Payroll Survey is the metric used by the DOL —and the system relied upon by every other state in the nation— to measure job growth.

Continued http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickunga...ction-miracle/

wiphan 05-16-2012 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 861320)
It's not "changing the subject" of recalling Walker to mention his ongoing felony investigation, his budget crisis, his taking of money intended towards homeowners, his being caught lying about union busting red-handed, or Wisconsin's "worse in the nation" jobs loss performance.

But back to Walker lying about labor statistics ... Here you go. Here's a good explanation about the unverified (non-corrected for error) numbers Walker has released early, from Forbes.

It is an in-depth, two-page analysis with good information.

Is walker under investigation? Didn't walker just give a huge grant to WHEDA?

Is Rick Unger an economist? What is his background?

Riot 05-16-2012 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by wiphan (Post 861333)
Is walker under investigation?

He isn't supposed to be, but the only way you can legally establish the defense fund Walker has established is if you are under investigation.

So that's confusing and implies there may be something pending and coming out in the future.

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Is Rick Unger an economist? What is his background?
You can read his economic pedigree at Forbes.

There are plenty of other news stories today on this odd and unusual move by Walker, and the "new and unique" way he's decided to suddenly start calculating the jobs numbers for Wisconsin, differently than every other state in the union, and differently from the way Wisconsin has always done it in the past.

Gee - could it be Walker is trying to lie about his dismal job creation record, and cover it up two weeks before his recall election?

Here's excerpts from one:

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Madison - Pushing back against Democratic critics of his jobs record, Gov. Scott Walker on Wednesday trumpeted a new job creation number sent this week to federal officials.

The new number sent to the federal Bureau of Labor Statistics shows that Wisconsin gained 23,321 jobs, both public and private, between December 2010 and December 2011.

Normally, the state would leave it to federal officials to release that number next month after the June 5 recall election for Gov. Scott Walker, but instead in an unusual move the Walker administration released the number early to the public Wednesday.

But administration officials so far have not provided other figures that are normally released with the overall job creation figure, such as how many of the jobs were in the private sector and how many in the public sector, though they said they might release those later Wednesday.

Officials in two other neighboring states run by Democratic governors, Illinois and Minnesota, said they didn't believe their states had released such numbers in the past ahead of the federal government.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepo...151774215.html

wiphan 05-16-2012 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 861334)
He isn't supposed to be, but the only way you can legally establish the defense fund Walker has established is if you are under investigation.

So that's confusing and implies there may be something pending and coming out in the future..

The above is false, but again why let the facts enter the discussion.

Riot 05-16-2012 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by wiphan (Post 861335)
The above is false, but again why let the facts enter the discussion.


I said, about the ongoing John Doe felony investigation into Walkers office at his previous government job:
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Originally Posted by Riot
He isn't supposed to be, [under investigation] but the only way you can legally establish the defense fund Walker has established is if you are under investigation.

So that's confusing and implies there may be something pending and coming out in the future..
What is false about that statement? Be specific. Enter the facts into the discussion.

I'll go first.

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Walker, who was elected governor in 2010, hasn't been charged with any wrongdoing and has repeatedly said he's not the focus of the probe.

He disclosed in March, though, that he set up a legal defense fund using $60,000 in campaign contributions with guidance from the Government Accountability Board. State law allows such moves only if officeholders or their agents have been charged with or are under investigation for election or campaign violations.
It appears my statement is 100% correct. Walker isn't charged, but GAB allowed him to set a defense fund, that can only be set up if, quoting GAB, "you are charged with or under investigation for election or campaign violations".

wiphan 05-16-2012 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 861336)
What is false about that statement? Be specific.

Governor Walker does not have to be under investigation personally in order to have a legal defense fund.

Riot 05-16-2012 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by wiphan (Post 861337)
Governor Walker does not have to be under investigation personally in order to have a legal defense fund.

The Government Accountability Board has repeatedly and publicly said differently since they (the GAB) helped Walker set up the fund according to the law.

Can you quote where you are getting your completely different information?

wiphan 05-16-2012 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 861340)
The Government Accountability Board has repeatedly and publicly said differently since they (the GAB) helped Walker set up the fund according to the law.

Can you quote where you are getting your completely different information?

Under state law, he is allowed to create a criminal defense fund if he, his campaign or campaign staffers are under investigation

So if anyone he worked with in his campaign, etc including Darlene Wink was under investigation he can have the defense fund. He does not specifically have to be under investigation

Care to comment on Barrett's wife and the facts behind her illegal actions?

Riot 05-16-2012 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by wiphan (Post 861344)
Under state law, he is allowed to create a criminal defense fund if he, his campaign or campaign staffers are under investigation

It's a thin line about the campaign staffers, and the GAB was questioned about that at the time but will not respond publicly.

So Walker has been asked many times - again, today - to say publicly why he has established a criminal defense fund using his campaign money.

Is he under investigation, or is it just the ongoing felony investigations of the office staff that was sitting within feet of him in his government office? Because we all know those four members of Walkers staff are charged with felonies as they were not supposed to be doing Walker's campaigning while employed by and at their government jobs. Whoops.

Walker refuses to say. Don't you'd think he'd come out and say - especially right before the election - it's defense money for his staffers, not himself, if that were true?

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Care to comment on Barrett's wife and the facts behind her illegal actions?
Give the details. I'm unfamiliar. Is she a government employee? What did she do?

Riot 05-17-2012 08:54 PM

"Scott Walker Magically Turns Dismal Wisconsin Job Numbers Into A Pre-Election Miracle"

However, Scott Walkers Magic Math pretending thousands of new jobs were created was proven wrong today, when the real numbers were released:

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At a time when Wisconsin's jobs statistics are under scrutiny as never before, preliminary data released Thursday showed that Wisconsin lost an estimated 6,200 private-sector jobs in April.

http://www.jsonline.com/business/sta...151909605.html
This man is so desperate to be re-elected that he'll lie about jobs, too, in addition to being caught lying about carrying out the ALEC goal of union busting and removing fair pay for work laws.

Riot 05-18-2012 05:45 PM

Unfortunately, the true hate crazies start to come out of the woodwork and threaten violence as the recall election nears:

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Federal authorities charged a Madison man Friday with making a telephone threat in February to blow up the offices of the Democratic Party of Wisconsin, among more than 100 calls he allegedly placed to the office this year.

William O. Diederich repeatedly threatened to shoot Democrats and those supporting the recall of Gov. Scott Walker in phone calls he made to the Democratic Party's office at 110 King St. in January, February and March, according to an affidavit by FBI agent Joseph Lavelle, filed in U.S. District Court in Madison.

http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/loc...9bb2963f4.html


wiphan 05-21-2012 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 862000)
Unfortunately, the true hate crazies start to come out of the woodwork and threaten violence as the recall election nears:

Don't worry he wil be thrown in jail for years, while the woman who threatened govenor walker and his family didn't even get a slap on the wrist.

Care to comment on how good old Tom didn't know where he was the day before when asked where he was when he didn't show up for a memorial for policemen who lost their lives while in the line of duty? Seems like a lot of out of state money coming in for Barrett. I don't see you complaining about this like you do with Walker.

Another question for you on the so called made up jobs numbers. If WI is losing jobs according to your accurate survey of 3.5% of businesses in the state than how did the unemployment rate continually drop?

Riot 05-21-2012 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by wiphan (Post 862821)
Don't worry he wil be thrown in jail for years, while the woman who threatened govenor walker and his family didn't even get a slap on the wrist.

Care to comment on how good old Tom didn't know where he was the day before when asked where he was when he didn't show up for a memorial for policemen who lost their lives while in the line of duty? Seems like a lot of out of state money coming in for Barrett. I don't see you complaining about this like you do with Walker.

Another question for you on the so called made up jobs numbers. If WI is losing jobs according to your accurate survey of 3.5% of businesses in the state than how did the unemployment rate continually drop?

You alleged that Barrett's wife did, to quote you, something "illegal". Still waiting on you to say what that was. Was she arrested? What charges were filed?

Walker is a stone cold liar about Wisconsin jobs numbers, and about being an ALEC-owned poster boy. Just admit it. Feel free to vote for him, but at least be honest about what you are voting for.

wiphan 05-21-2012 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 862854)
You alleged that Barrett's wife did, to quote you, something "illegal". Still waiting on you to say what that was. Was she arrested? What charges were filed?

Walker is a stone cold liar about Wisconsin jobs numbers, and about being an ALEC-owned poster boy. Just admit it. Feel free to vote for him, but at least be honest about what you are voting for.

For someone who financial supports a candidate I would assume you would know what you are supporting. I personally do not financially support any politicians and save my money for real charities and causes that do good for people and society. Barrett's wife while working for MPS used her MPS email during government time and sent emails to politicians supporting the recall. This is in fact illegal. If she currently worked for MPS she would have had to be fired. She does not currently work there so nothing will become of it

Your answer to the above post was typical for you, skirt the question and attack. As far as the job numbers:

Fact- the original number from the department of labor statistics are taken from a survey of 3.5% of businesses in the state

Fact- WI's unemployment dropped in 2011

Fact- the current numbers released were taken from a sample of 96.5% of businesses in WI.

You can use the numbers any way you want them to, but how can the unemployment rate go down if we are losing jobs?

Face the facts. The democrats and Barrett have nothing left to campaign on

Collective Bargaining- majority of WI is with Walker on this and the democrats don't even really support this or Falk would have won

Jobs- real numbers show job growth in the state

Taxes, budget- improving, people are seeing it for themselves

Recalls- The majority of WI is sick of the recalls and the money it cost the state. The majority of WI is tired of sore losers. Recalls are meant for misconduct in office, not for someone who is against your beliefs

John Doe investigation- this is the Democrats last hope. They keep holding onto this because this is all they have. Do you know who requested the John Doe investigation originally? Oh yeah it was Govenor Walker himself

Barrett is a terrible candidate- latest blunder exploited him again. He will be crushed in the debates.

Now the liberal newspaper even came out in Mayor Barrett's back yard in support of the Govenor.

Riot 05-21-2012 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by wiphan (Post 862874)
Barrett's wife while working for MPS used her MPS email during government time and sent emails to politicians supporting the recall. This is in fact illegal.

No. It is not "illegal". And you have grossly mischaracterized what she did. It was a simple violation of workplace rules. She sent two private e-mails from her work computer supporting political candidates unassociated with her husband or work. OH MY GOD! :D

Why you worry about this (sneaking your work computer to send two private e-mails) and you neglect to worry about the multiple felony arrests out of Walkers office for malfeasance is unbelievable.

There's a bit of cognitive dissonance here - do multiple felony arrests by the FBI over political misuse of government equipment and office space, literally feet from Walker's desk by more than one of his employees, worry you at all? Yes or no?

You can repeat Walker's false attempts to color his dismal and inadequate performance record, and pretend they are "facts", but that doesn't change the reality of it. The Bureau of Labor Statistics says clearly otherwise, and Walker using magic made-up methodology doesn't change it.

Seems that you are filled with alot of anger and hate over this. Vote for Walker. He's ahead right now. He may win. I certainly hope not. But a least he can't push through the ALEC agenda any more, with the recalls successful already in the legislature, and more pending.

If Barrett wins, will your excuse be that the Democrats cheated? <vbg>

wiphan 05-21-2012 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 862880)
No. It is not "illegal". And you have grossly mischaracterized what she did. It was a simple violation of workplace rules. She sent two private e-mails from her work computer supporting political candidates unassociated with her husband or work. OH MY GOD! :D

Why you worry about this (sneaking your work computer to send two private e-mails) and you neglect to worry about the multiple felony arrests out of Walkers office for malfeasance is unbelievable.

There's a bit of cognitive dissonance here - do multiple felony arrests by the FBI over political misuse of government equipment and office space, literally feet from Walker's desk by more than one of his employees, worry you at all? Yes or no?

You can repeat Walker's false attempts to color his dismal and inadequate performance record, and pretend they are "facts", but that doesn't change the reality of it. The Bureau of Labor Statistics says clearly otherwise, and Walker using magic made-up methodology doesn't change it.

Seems that you are filled with alot of anger and hate over this. Vote for Walker. He's ahead right now. He may win. I certainly hope not. But a least he can't push through the ALEC agenda any more, with the recalls successful already in the legislature, and more pending.

SKirt the questions again, huh? No hate or anger on my side.

Simply answer this question for me

How can the unemployment rate in the state of WI continually decline but yet the state lose 23k+ jobs?

Riot 05-21-2012 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by wiphan (Post 862883)
SKirt the questions again, huh? No hate or anger on my side.

Simply answer this question for me

How can the unemployment rate in the state of WI continually decline but yet the state lose 23k+ jobs?

Simply answer this question for me: why are you not worried about multiple felony arrests of multiple employees out of Walker's office at his last government job?

Doesn't that raise some white flags for those worried about law breaking?

What about Walker being caught lying on video about his ALEC-given goal of union-busting? Doesn't lying outright to his constituents worry you?

Unemployment and jobs available are not mutually reflexive numbers completely and inversely dependent upon one another. You are relating two separate things. The long-term unemployed people are falling off the rolls and failing to be counted.

According to the Federal Bureau of Labor Statistics Wisconsin had the worse jobs numbers in the country for 2011. The real numbers just came out after Walker's faked press release numbers last week showing the real job loss was over 6,000 the past month.

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At a time when Wisconsin's jobs statistics are under scrutiny as never before, preliminary data released Thursday showed that Wisconsin lost an estimated 6,200 private-sector jobs in April.

http://www.jsonline.com/business/sta...151909605.html

wiphan 05-21-2012 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 862886)
Unemployment and jobs available are not mutually reflexive numbers completely and inversely dependent upon one another. You are relating two separate things. The long-term unemployed people are falling off the rolls and failing to be counted.

According to the Federal Bureau of Labor Statistics Wisconsin had the worse jobs numbers in the country for 2011. The real numbers just came out after Walker's faked press release numbers last week showing the real job loss was over 6,000 the past two months.

Not talking about available jobs, talking about job losses/gains. Good to know when the numbers work in your favor they are rock solid (even though they are from a survey of 3.5% of total businesses), but when the Government comes out with revised corrected numbers that are based on 96.5% of businesses they are completely made up and false since they didn't come out in your favor. Totally explains why there is a recall in WI right now....

If somehow Barrett wins then the dems get what they want. It will be solely because they get their people to the polls. good for them. Then we will see what they will do to rectify the problems of the state.

Riot 05-21-2012 11:28 PM

Walker declares his loss due to voter fraud (pre-emptively)
 
Walker declares that if he loses his election, it will be due to massive and substantial one-sided voter fraud and Democratics cheating.

His allegation, of course, is completely disproven by ... well, facts.

But this is Scotty Walker. Facts don't matter.
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Per Dave Weigel, Slate
http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/20...wisconsin.html


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Walker said: "I’ve always thought in this state, close elections, presidential elections, it means you probably have to win with at least 53 percent of the vote to account for fraud. One or two points, potentially."

That’s enough to change the outcome of the election. “Absolutely. I mean there’s no question why they went to court and fought [to undo] voter ID.”
There might be some question. The voter fraud issue was investigated in Wisconsin fairly recently, in the form of an Election Fraud Task Force and a deep dive into 2008's vote results.

The yearlong investigation charged 20 people -- this in an election with around 3 million ballots.

For fraud to equal "one or two points" in that election, you'd have needed 30,000-60,000 phony ballots.

The proven fraud actually amounted to 0.0007 percent of all votes.

The people who oppose voter ID laws say they're doing it to rescue the votes of poor or elderly people who lack current IDs. Sure, yes, this would probably be the cover story they'd use if they were trying to make life easier for criminals. But perhaps they're not! It's a possibility Walker rules out.

wiphan 05-22-2012 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 862969)
Walker declares that if he loses his election, it will be due to massive and substantial one-sided voter fraud and Democratics cheating.

His allegation, of course, is completely disproven by ... well, facts.

But this is Scotty Walker. Facts don't matter.

Interesting again that when you are supplied with facts that you believe work in your or the democrats favor they are the gospel, but when the facts work against you they are made up.

I noticed you skirted the whole Tom Barrett not showing up for the Ceremony for the fallen police officers in the City of Milwaukee when he was supposed to give a speach. Luckily someone with integrity and caring was there to step in and spend time with those families. When Barrett was asked the next day where he was he said " I don't remember I will have to check my schedule and get back to you". Well if it was so important that he couldn't be there to help support those officers that gave their lives in his City you would think he would have known at least where he was. Amazing that all other politicians found time to be there, but Barrett did not. Oh yeah Barrett was campaigning with some union members. Not a smart campaign move for Tommy

Obama and the dems are distancing themselves from Barrett. Campaign is crumbling and Barrett is trying desparately to hold on to what he has left. The only thing he has is the "John Doe" investigation, which has been addressed already numerous times. Good luck in 2 weeks

Riot 05-22-2012 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by wiphan (Post 863006)
Interesting again that when you are supplied with facts that you believe work in your or the democrats favor they are the gospel, but when the facts work against you they are made up.

Wisconsin only has magical "job gains" when using a unique and individualized methodology to calculate, outside the normal and outside of what every single state in the country, including Wisconsin, use normally.

The Federal Bureau of Labor Statistics jobless numbers are the gold standard.

Except when Scott Walker doesn't like them showing the worse job loss in the country in Wisconsin under his watch ;)

Did you want to stick to ad hominem?

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I noticed you skirted the whole Tom Barrett not showing up for the Ceremony for the fallen police officers in the City of Milwaukee when he was supposed to give a speach.
Didn't know I was supposed to address it here. Why don't you?

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Obama and the dems are distancing themselves from Barrett. Campaign is crumbling and Barrett is trying desparately to hold on to what he has left. The only thing he has is the "John Doe" investigation, which has been addressed already numerous times. Good luck in 2 weeks
Obama will probably be in Wisconsin in the next two weeks. The head of the DNC will be there for sure. So not sure what you are thinking regarding "distancing". It's rather the opposite.

Good luck to you, too! I hope the turnout is legendary, thus truly represents the will of the people of Wisconsin.

geeker2 05-22-2012 09:03 PM

The Fat Lady is clearing her voice.....


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...n-bid-to-save/

Coach Pants 05-23-2012 07:38 AM

'Uncommitted' Gives Obama a Run in Kentucky

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UPDATE: With 99.8 percent reporting, Barack Obama has 119,245 votes, while 'Uncommitted' has 86,789 votes. That is, Obama has 57.9 percent of the vote, while 'Uncommitted' has 42.1 percent
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/...ky_645774.html

Haha!! Love my state.

Riot 05-23-2012 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 863180)
'Uncommitted' Gives Obama a Run in Kentucky



http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/...ky_645774.html

Haha!! Love my state.

I took a Republican ballot - gotta vote against the crazy Tea Bagger loons. How many votes did Mittens get in Kentucky?

Barack Obama 119,245
Uncommitted Dem 86,789
Total Dem votes: 206, 034

Romney 107,362
Paul 20,117 votes
Rick Santorum 14,230
Newt Gingrich 9,459
Uncommitted Repub 9,428
Total GOP votes: 160,596

Coach Pants 05-23-2012 02:42 PM

"My idol got more votes. So that makes it totally not embarrassing. This country is going to be in fine shape."

You're just shockingly dumb.

Antitrust32 05-23-2012 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 863257)
"My idol got more votes. So that makes it totally not embarrassing. This country is going to be in fine shape."

You're just shockingly dumb.

:tro:

wiphan 05-23-2012 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by geeker2 (Post 863155)
The Fat Lady is clearing her voice.....


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...n-bid-to-save/

Not ready to underestimate the dems yet. They have buses running in the city of milwaukee getting people to the polling place. There is early voting going on and the dems are doing their best to get out the vote. It will be closer than it should be.

Riot 05-23-2012 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 863257)
"My idol got more votes. So that makes it totally not embarrassing. This country is going to be in fine shape."

You're just shockingly dumb.

You're shockingly dumb to think that "uncommitted" on the Dem side is some magical referendum on Obama's performance in this Tea Bag state. With a 14% voter turnout.

But hey - if the vote were held yesterday, Obama creams Romney. Ouch. Weird. That won't hold up in the fall.

bigrun 05-23-2012 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 863325)
You're shockingly dumb to think that "uncommitted" on the Dem side is some magical referendum on Obama's performance in this Tea Bag state. With a 14% voter turnout.


:tro::tro:

Riot 05-23-2012 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by bigrun (Post 863327)
:tro::tro:

Mitch McConnell and Rand Paul are my senators. How about a little sympathy? :(

GPK 05-24-2012 12:11 AM

132 million votes for the American Idol tonight. Too bad the November election won't have the same turnout. Good to know America has it's priorities in place.

Coach Pants 05-24-2012 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 863325)
You're shockingly dumb to think that "uncommitted" on the Dem side is some magical referendum on Obama's performance in this Tea Bag state. With a 14% voter turnout.

But hey - if the vote were held yesterday, Obama creams Romney. Ouch. Weird. That won't hold up in the fall.

Wow you're embarrassing yourself again. Does it ever get old?

Democrats hold the majority for registered voters in this state by a significant margin, you insufferable twat.

Those results are bad for your boyfriend no matter how you spin it. To believe otherwise should get you a first class ticket to Western State Hospital.

Rudeboyelvis 05-24-2012 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 863325)
You're shockingly dumb to think that "uncommitted" on the Dem side is some magical referendum on Obama's performance in this Tea Bag state. With a 14% voter turnout.

KY is a closed primary state, correct? How does the Tea Party have anything at all to do with the outcome? Why would the Tea Party have anything at all to do with what the registered Dems in KY, who actually have their eyes open and are sickened by the abject failure they are witnessing, voicing this displeasure at the polls?

You actually have the gall to dismiss their rights to voice their discontent with their president as wacko Tea Baggers??

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But hey - if the vote were held yesterday, Obama creams Romney. Ouch. Weird. That won't hold up in the fall.

Huh? Not that I give a crap one way or the other, but there isn't a poll in the world that indicates this is remotely the case. In fact the majority of them show Romney with the lead.

Of course, you never said it, and/or it was taken out of context. I'll save us all the insufferable pages of retort.

I really would hope that you could explain, without debasing people, what you end goal here is? You have played your hand and have exposed yourself for what you are, and you haven't convinced a soul that the criticisms of your behavior are without warrant.

Handsome Boy 05-24-2012 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 863370)
KY is a closed primary state, correct? How does the Tea Party have anything at all to do with the outcome? Why would the Tea Party have anything at all to do with what the registered Dems in KY, who actually have their eyes open and are sickened by the abject failure they are witnessing, voicing this displeasure at the polls?

You actually have the gall to dismiss their rights to voice their discontent with their president as wacko Tea Baggers??

Haven't you heard? It's racism, of course.
http://wizbangblog.com/2012/05/23/wa...ail-is-racism/
Certainly it wasn’t Obama’s elitism, or his anti-Americanism, or his sleazy Chicago cronies, or his youthful infatuation with cocaine and Marxist professors, or his long-time association with a radical domestic terrorist, or his membership in a church led by one of the most inflammatory Black separatist pastors in the country. Nah, it couldn’t possibly be any of those things that disinterested voters in the South. It must be because he is half African. Because that’s all we ever think about down here.
:tro:

Riot 05-24-2012 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 863365)
Wow you're embarrassing yourself again. Does it ever get old?

Democrats hold the majority for registered voters in this state by a significant margin, you insufferable twat.

Those results are bad for your boyfriend no matter how you spin it. To believe otherwise should get you a first class ticket to Western State Hospital.

I know you're an angry radical anarchist of sadly limited two adjective verbal ability, but Obama didn't win this state in 2008, and won't ever even come close in 2012.

He could have gotten zero votes in Kentucky, and all it would mean is that the few Dem voters in Louisville, Lexington and one county in Appalachia were at a sports game. And turnout was 8% rather than 14%.

Riot 05-24-2012 04:07 PM

[quote]
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 863370)
KY is a closed primary state, correct? How does the Tea Party have anything at all to do with the outcome? Why would the Tea Party have anything at all to do with what the registered Dems in KY, who actually have their eyes open and are sickened by the abject failure they are witnessing, voicing this displeasure at the polls?

You actually have the gall to dismiss their rights to voice their discontent with their president as wacko Tea Baggers??

Huh? Not that I give a crap one way or the other, but there isn't a poll in the world that indicates this is remotely the case. In fact the majority of them show Romney with the lead.

Of course, you never said it, and/or it was taken out of context. I'll save us all the insufferable pages of retort.

I really would hope that you could explain, without debasing people, what you end goal here is? You have played your hand and have exposed yourself for what you are, and you haven't convinced a soul that the criticisms of your behavior are without warrant.

I'm glad to see you don't need me to have a conversation with the me you dislike - although it's pretty creepy :D

Coach Pants 05-24-2012 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 863440)
I know you're an angry radical anarchist of sadly limited two adjective verbal ability, but Obama didn't win this state in 2008, and won't ever even come close in 2012.

He could have gotten zero votes in Kentucky, and all it would mean is that the few Dem voters in Louisville, Lexington and one county in Appalachia were at a sports game. And turnout was 8% rather than 14%.

Blah blah blah b.itch. Your husband can leave you for his boyfriend now. He's got your master's verbal approval. Sop it up, cow.


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