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Riot 03-26-2012 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 848548)
Despite never using the word entirely, nothing in medicine has any singular root cause that can be explained away so easily

Yet you just made three statements that did exactly that. And are very, very angry that someone with far more knowledge than you pointed it out.

Riot 03-26-2012 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 848556)
And you continue the age old method of never answering a question, keeps everyone entertained and laughing at you.

You think that answering "the question" about antibiotic overuse is readily answerable on a message board?

Only if we dumb it down to a superficial, shallow, newspaper-sound bite level that you can understand, I suppose :D

:tro:

Riot 03-26-2012 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 848556)
And you continue the age old method of never answering a question, keeps everyone entertained and laughing at you.
I will stop posting links from respected sources that prove my points and my complete lack of knowledge.

Tell you what: you pass PhD level courses in immunology, animal & human physiology, and pharmacology, and then you will have the basis to start learning about this subject.

Get back to us then and you can lecture us on how wrong the FDA is, and why.

Clip-Clop 03-26-2012 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 848557)
Yet you just made three statements that did exactly that. And are very, very angry that someone with far more knowledge than you pointed it out.

Not angry, just shocked that you are still trying to convince anyone of anything at all really, from way up on that high horse of yours. You have not answered one question or refuted one argument or utilized any of that massive wealth of knowledge to prove any of what I said incorrect.
Once again you have proven that a real discussion or debate about any topic is completely pointless when you are involved.

Riot 03-26-2012 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 848561)
Not angry, just shocked that you are still trying to convince anyone of anything at all really, from way up on that high horse of yours.You have not answered one question or refuted one argument or utilized any of that massive wealth of knowledge to prove any of what I said incorrect. Once again you have proven that a real discussion or debate about any topic is completely pointless when you are involved.

Geeshus - just stop posting nonsensical, superficial, shallow blog c.rap and pretending that somehow makes you a medical expert, and further, your ridiculous contention that the scope of those subjects is discussable at a grade school level, and that professionals that refuse to engage you at that ridiculous level are the ones with "zero knowledge". That makes you the joke.

Stick to the immature ad hominem.

Clip-Clop 03-26-2012 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 848559)
Tell you what: you pass PhD level courses in immunology, animal & human physiology, and pharmacology, and then you will have the basis to start learning about this subject.

Get back to us then and you can lecture us on how wrong the FDA is, and why.

So your posting this information was to share with the massive amount of folks in here that meet your qualifications to share in this discussion?
Or was it all just a setup to lead to the above so you could wave your classes around that you may or may not have passed?
One last read for you that might change your opinion of a government agency that I am certain you have never had the 'pleasure' of having to deal with.
http://www.ucsusa.org/assets/documen...y-brochure.pdf

Riot 03-26-2012 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 848565)
So your posting this information was to share with the massive amount of folks in here that meet your qualifications to share in this discussion?
Or was it all just a setup to lead to the above so you could wave your classes around that you may or may not have passed?
One last read for you that might change your opinion of a government agency that I am certain you have never had the 'pleasure' of having to deal with.
http://www.ucsusa.org/assets/documen...y-brochure.pdf

Geeshus - just stop posting nonsensical, superficial, shallow blog c.rap and pretending that somehow makes you a medical expert, and further, your ridiculous contention that the scope of those subjects is discussable at a grade school level, and that professionals that refuse to engage you at that ridiculous shallow and uneducated level are the ones you immediately label has having "zero knowledge". That makes you the joke.

Stick to the immature ad hominem.

Clip-Clop 03-26-2012 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 848569)
Geeshus - just stop posting nonsensical, superficial, shallow blog c.rap and pretending that somehow makes you a medical expert, and further, your ridiculous contention that the scope of those subjects is discussable at a grade school level, and that professionals that refuse to engage you at that ridiculous shallow and uneducated level are the ones you immediately label has having "zero knowledge". That makes you the joke.

Stick to the immature ad hominem.

The UCS http://www.ucsusa.org/about/ and the mayo clinic is shallow blog crap, but dailykos and huffington are respected sources in your mind. Pointless.
You are brilliant and everyone else is a moron, though your spelling leaves a bit to be desired.

Riot 03-26-2012 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 848584)
The UCS http://www.ucsusa.org/about/ and the mayo clinic is shallow blog crap, but dailykos and huffington are respected sources in your mind. Pointless.
You are brilliant and everyone else is a moron, though your spelling leaves a bit to be desired.

You thinking that posting a link makes you expert in medicine? That's so cute! :tro:

When have I posted a link to Daily Kos or Huffington Post as a medical linK? Why, never. So what's your point? Do you even have one?

And no, I don't think you are a moron, nor that I am brilliant. I think you don't have a clue about medicine other than what you read on the internet, and I have a degree and licenses in same. Just the facts.

Keep up the ad hominem. Yes, you can attack my spelling any time you want. Whether it is deliberate in a thread solely started as satire (and you don't realize it), or if it's my normally yes, bad, spelling.

So sorry: having bad spelling just doesn't hurt my feelings.

Clip-Clop 03-26-2012 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 848587)
You thinking that posting a link makes you expert in medicine? That's so cute! :tro:

Keep up the ad hominem. Yes, you can attack my spelling any time you want. Whether it is deliberate in a thread solely started as satire (and you don't realize it), or if it's my normally yes, bad, spelling.

So sorry: having bad spelling just doesn't hurt my feelings.

When it backs my argument, and comes from a real source as opposed to some internet rag it certainly helps.
Did someone make you write ad hominen on the chalk board a lot when you were a kid?

Clip-Clop 03-26-2012 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 848587)
You thinking that posting a link makes you expert in medicine? That's so cute! :tro:

When have I posted a link to Daily Kos or Huffington Post as a medical linK? Why, never. So what's your point? Do you even have one?

And no, I don't think you are a moron, nor that I am brilliant. I think you don't have a clue about medicine other than what you read on the internet, and I have a degree and licenses in same. Just the facts.

Keep up the ad hominem. Yes, you can attack my spelling any time you want. Whether it is deliberate in a thread solely started as satire (and you don't realize it), or if it's my normally yes, bad, spelling.

So sorry: having bad spelling just doesn't hurt my feelings.

Point was you never post anything that is not colored by opnion to back yourself up. Fact free arguing is your style, which is why all threads on this portion of the site just die off, people get bored proving the same point over and over.
I have never passed myself off as anything, just posted an opinion, then found some facts that backed my position, that is how debates are won, in the eyes of the casual observer.
:wf

Riot 03-26-2012 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 848590)
When it backs my argument, and comes from a real source as opposed to some internet rag it certainly helps.
Did someone make you write ad hominen on the chalk board a lot when you were a kid?

When the shoe fits, you wear it. And you wear it very well.

I'm glad you think that posting internet articles makes you a medical expert. It's far easier to be a medical expert on an internet list, than in real life ;)

Riot 03-26-2012 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 848593)
Point was you never post anything that is not colored by opnion to back yourself up.

Sorry. Even you must acknowlege that your statement is factually not true. I post plenty of charts, graphs, facts and figures, along with opinion pieces by others.

Maybe it's just that you don't have the ability to discern fact from opinion. You do seem to often confuse the two.

Antitrust32 03-26-2012 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 848539)
I have the advanced educational degrees and licenses that proves I have the expertise.

You have nothing but snark. Good luck with that.

you're a fucl<ing vet. You're not a global climate scientist like you pretended in the other thread. and you are not an expert antibiotic use in humans.

I have a fucl<ing BS in Animal Science. That makes me a scientist just like you.

Antitrust32 03-26-2012 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 848547)
Is over prescription a misuse?

Never mind, asking a question of you and expecting an answer is a complete fkn waste of time.

Where do I say that ruminants are immune? Your reading comprehension and insertion of thoughts and theories into other peoples posts is hilarious.
You are a fool.

:tro::tro:

Antitrust32 03-26-2012 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 848552)
This is OUTRAGUS!!!
How dare you question my knowledge, you know nothing of my education or background.

the bitch neuters and spays dogs but somehow acts like she's a doctor of HUMANS.

Riot 03-26-2012 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 848601)
you're a fucl<ing vet. You're not a global climate scientist like you pretended in the other thread. and you are not an expert antibiotic use in humans.

I have never pretended to be a global climate scientist - what are you smoking?

And yes, I am an expert on antibiotics, and use, and yes, that includes use in animals that are eaten by humans. That's exactly what a DVM confers.

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I have a fucl<ing BS in Animal Science. That makes me a scientist just like you.
Good for you! That's quite an accomplishment.

Now go read the definition of scientist, because it's not what you think it is.

Coach Pants 03-26-2012 01:52 PM

She's like Dr. Phil but uglier and fatter.

Antitrust32 03-26-2012 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 848584)
The UCS http://www.ucsusa.org/about/ and the mayo clinic is shallow blog crap, but dailykos and huffington are respected sources in your mind. Pointless.
You are brilliant and everyone else is a moron, though your spelling leaves a bit to be desired.

:tro:

Riot 03-26-2012 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 848604)
the bitch neuters and spays dogs but somehow acts like she's a doctor of HUMANS.

No, that's not what I do. Why do you lie? Is that deliberate, or out of ignorance?

BTW, I was a paramedic for 10 years, so yeah, I do know a little about humans. And yes, pharmacology in primates is taught in vet school.

Your anger and ignorance combine to make you look foolish and petty.

Riot 03-26-2012 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 848606)
She's like Dr. Phil but uglier and fatter.

Because your opinion is so valuable to me? ;)

Coach Pants 03-26-2012 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 848611)
Because your opinion is so valuable to me? ;)

You're like the vet people go to when the other vets in town are on spring break. They be like, "Oh sh.it we've got to take Sparky to that dumb bit.ch who has Obama posters all over the lobby."

Antitrust32 03-26-2012 01:56 PM

you've pretty much out done yourself in this thread.

I didnt think you could be more egotistical than you've already shown in the past, but I was wrong.

I'm kind of impressed, actually.

Riot 03-26-2012 01:56 PM

Well, the satire potential of this thread (as seen by most, and obviously missed by others, in the initial post) has certainly proven out.

Clip-Clop 03-26-2012 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 848615)
you've pretty much out done yourself in this thread.

I didnt think you could be more egotistical than you've already shown in the past, but I was wrong.

I'm kind of impressed, actually.

What can be proven, can be dismissed because I said so.

Antitrust32 03-26-2012 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 848619)
What can be proven, can be dismissed because I said so.

I have taken a PhD level course in English lit.

you are not smart enough to be writing your own quotes, Clip Clop

Riot 03-26-2012 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 848615)
you've pretty much out done yourself in this thread.

I didnt think you could be more egotistical than you've already shown in the past, but I was wrong.

I'm kind of impressed, actually.

And I didn't think particular people would repeatedly go out of their way to be childish, hateful and nasty for no reason other than, that's what they are.

Not impressive at all. Kind of sad.

I think you are confusing egotistical with lack of insecurity.

Antitrust32 03-26-2012 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 848625)
And I didn't think particular people would repeatedly go out of their way to be childish, hateful and nasty for no reason other than, that's what they are.Not impressive at all. Kind of sad.

I think you are confusing egotistical with lack of insecurity.

you should look in the mirror sometime. Though I do realize it's difficult to critique your own self.

actually I didnt confuse anything.


except now I'm confused, are you a real doctor? a climate change scientist? or a vet?

Riot 03-26-2012 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 848629)
you should look in the mirror sometime. Though I do realize it's difficult to critique your own self.

actually I didnt confuse anything.


except now I'm confused, are you a real doctor? a climate change scientist? or a vet?

Hard for any rational person to be confused about things I've never claimed.

GenuineRisk 03-28-2012 02:43 PM

Coincidentally, "Virtually Speaking Science" is interviewing the author of Superbug and Beating Back the Devil today (Wednesday) at 5PM. She has spent several years researching antibiotic resistance.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/virtual...n-vs-science-1

That should be a link to the page. I've never listened to the show before (I prefer reading to listening on the intertubes), but I think I'll check it out.

Riot 03-28-2012 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by GenuineRisk (Post 849002)
Coincidentally, "Virtually Speaking Science" is interviewing the author of Superbug and Beating Back the Devil today (Wednesday) at 5PM. She has spent several years researching antibiotic resistance.

Antibiotic resistance? You mean real-time evidence that evolution is the way nature does things? ;)

Thanks for the link.

Clip-Clop 03-28-2012 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 849003)
Antibiotic resistance? You mean real-time evidence that evolution is the way nature does things? ;)

Thanks for the link.

http://religiousfreaks.com/2006/07/1...impsons-style/

Might be the best video ever.

Riot 03-28-2012 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 849006)

:p:D:tro: Thanks for that! LOL !

bigrun 03-28-2012 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 849006)

ROR, good one..already sent it to everyone in on my contact list...:)

bigrun 03-28-2012 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by bigrun (Post 849046)
ROR, good one..already sent it to everyone on my contact list...:)

FTFM..

somerfrost 03-28-2012 05:31 PM

Not a big Simpsons fan but that was great!


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