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Riot 01-24-2012 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 833951)
American auto industry saved Only a moron would beliee this

You think that the auto industry in the United States would still exist without the government saving it?

:D :D :D

Hearts of magical electoral hope breaking all over Republicanland, as Mitch Daniels gives GOP response to SOTU, and looks and sounds more boring and stilted than Mitt. And even W. Very sad.

Oh - and empty platitudes. No content. Very sad. Goodbye, GOP. You used to be a great party. Now you're just the John Birch Society owned by a few corporatists.
Quote:

“As Republicans our first concern is for those waiting tonight to begin or resume the climb up life’s ladder. We do not accept that ours will ever be a nation of haves and have nots; we must always be a nation of haves and soon to haves.”
"Hey! You are not a have. But you have to have hope that someday you will! And class warfare! And End Medicare! And Snark!"

What losers. What fools.

lord007 01-24-2012 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by bigrun (Post 833828)
Newt’s Faulty Food-Stamp Claim

Newt Gingrich claims that “more people have been put on food stamps by Barack Obama than any president in American history.” He’s wrong. More were added under Bush than under Obama, according to the most recent figures

http://factcheck.org/2012/01/newts-f...d-stamp-claim/

http://pjmedia.com/blog/barack-obama...amp-president/

Cannon Shell 01-24-2012 10:26 PM

Only fools and morons listen to what politicians have to say in 2012 and actually believe them. Who cares what Obama says? Who cares what the reactions to the speech are? It is all a bunch of made up bullshit.

Riot 01-24-2012 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 833971)
Only fools and morons listen to what politicians have to say in 2012 and actually believe them. Who cares what Obama says? Who cares what the reactions to the speech are? It is all a bunch of made up bullshit.

Only fools and morons ignore what's happening in this country, paying no attention at all. They deserve what they get.

Cannon Shell 01-25-2012 05:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 833973)
Only fools and morons ignore what's happening in this country, paying no attention at all. They deserve what they get.

You more or less just described yourself...

Danzig 01-25-2012 09:15 AM

http://factcheck.org/2012/01/the-state-of-obamas-facts/

wiphan 01-25-2012 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 833973)
Only fools and morons ignore what's happening in this country, paying no attention at all. They deserve what they get.

Only fools believe what any politician says and can't read between the lines. They are all liars especially in an election year. If you take owebama for everything he said then yes his speach was great. Let's take for instance
this quote:

President Obama gave his State of the Union address last night and as far as housing goes, the President said the he will be sending Congress a plan that gives every responsible homeowner the chance to save about $3,000 a year on their mortgage, by refinancing at historically low interest rates, no more red tape.

That means a savings of $250/month without any red tape. Let's say for instance you have a rate of 5.25% on 100,000 your new interest rate would have to be around .57% for you to lower your payments $250/month. Now lets take $200,000 your new interest rate would have to be 3.35% or lower to save $250/month on a 30 yr rate. Is this really reasonable or feasible? He said no more red tape. Did you know that by passing the 2 month payroll tax that they increased mortgage rates by charging higher G-fees on mortgages? Did you know that it will take 10 years of these fees to pay for 2 months of the payroll tax?

Coach Pants 01-25-2012 09:50 AM


Clip-Clop 01-25-2012 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 834014)

Don't bring facts into this discussion.

Same speech as 2010, 2011. Same rhetoric, many times the exact same words.

Clip-Clop 01-25-2012 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by wiphan (Post 834015)
Only fools believe what any politician says and can't read between the lines. They are all liars especially in an election year. If you take owebama for everything he said then yes his speach was great. Let's take for instance
this quote:

President Obama gave his State of the Union address last night and as far as housing goes, the President said the he will be sending Congress a plan that gives every responsible homeowner the chance to save about $3,000 a year on their mortgage, by refinancing at historically low interest rates, no more red tape.

That means a savings of $250/month without any red tape. Let's say for instance you have a rate of 5.25% on 100,000 your new interest rate would have to be around .57% for you to lower your payments $250/month. Now lets take $200,000 your new interest rate would have to be 3.35% or lower to save $250/month on a 30 yr rate. Is this really reasonable or feasible? He said no more red tape. Did you know that by passing the 2 month payroll tax that they increased mortgage rates by charging higher G-fees on mortgages? Did you know that it will take 10 years of these fees to pay for 2 months of the payroll tax?

Basic, simple math is not welcome either.

Sign me up for the .57 rate please.

Coach Pants 01-25-2012 09:59 AM

Here's the real state of the union...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJzPNQaX1c0

Clip-Clop 01-25-2012 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 834019)
Here's the real state of the union...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJzPNQaX1c0

Adelaide is one serious hell hole.

dellinger63 01-25-2012 10:59 AM

Must admit the Prez had some gems mixed in among his abstract talking point goals.

The first is eliminating tax breaks for corporations outsourcing jobs to foreign countries. To be honest I wasn’t aware of any such tax credit for outsourcing jobs but would love to know when it came into existence and why? (If it really exists) Then love to see it go away forever. The President’s plan of dispersing the money saved, among companies like MasterLock is ludicrous and wasteful of course, (Masterlock made the move to bring back jobs w/o gov involvement) but baby steps.

Second was enacting a law to keep teens in school until 18. Obviously a great idea considering stats showing how important having a HS diploma (at least) is for future financial well-being. However w/o any teeth to the law it’s impotent. I submit keeping your child in school is at least as equally important to keeping weeds on your lawn cut under 8 inches so like the anti-weeders fine the parents $600-$1200/per day and watch parents suddenly get involved in their children’s education.

Bottom line synopsis of the entire speech is the President still hasn’t figured out that government has no business financing private business. Government spending does not ensure job growth and to the contrary creates massive debt with only few jobs.

Ocala Mike 01-25-2012 11:24 AM

obama, state of the union
 
How about that Mitch Daniels response? Thought BO had launched another DRONE! Man, that may have been worse than the LA governor two years ago.

Does the GOP just put these guys up to sacrifice them?


Ocala Mike

Riot 01-25-2012 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Ocala Mike (Post 834037)
How about that Mitch Daniels response? Thought BO had launched another DRONE! Man, that may have been worse than the LA governor two years ago.

Does the GOP just put these guys up to sacrifice them?

Ocala Mike

I'm shocked at Daniels poor performance. He is the Great White Hope of the brokered convention this summer with Christie and Rubio. That was truly painful, watching him try to read a teleprompter carefully word by word.

Riot 01-25-2012 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 833994)
You more or less just described yourself...

Am I supposed to say, "Nanny nanny boo boo, I'm rubber you're glue" now? :D

Riot 01-25-2012 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by wiphan (Post 834015)
Only fools believe what any politician says and can't read between the lines.

Nobody was talking about that. That was another one of Cannon's weird segues into strange land, to avoid having to explain how our auto industry would have recovered from bankruptcy and ruin all on it's own without any government intervention. Because the government didn't save it. At all.

Riot 01-25-2012 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 834016)

You bet. Four more years, baby! :tro:

Coach Pants 01-25-2012 12:15 PM


Riot 01-25-2012 12:25 PM


bigrun 01-25-2012 01:34 PM









Riot 01-25-2012 01:40 PM

Newts proposed tax code modifications will put us billions in debt.
Mitt - less in debt.
Obama - gets us out of debt.

This is such an easy choice. Especially if our deficit is one's major worry.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036789/..._joe/#46113485

Obama, Romney, Gingrich comparison of tax plans here in Steve Rattner's segment from 1/24/12.

Clip-Clop 01-25-2012 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 834064)
Newts proposed tax code modifications will put us billions in debt.
Mitt - less in debt.
Obama - gets us out of debt.

This is such an easy choice. Especially if our deficit is one's major worry.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036789/..._joe/#46113485

Obama, Romney, Gingrich comparison of tax plans here in Steve Rattner's segment from 1/24/12.

Of course it gets us out of debt :rolleyes:, because we can all trust that if they have more available cash on hand, they would never think of spending it. They would certainly make the prudent decision and pay off the $ owed already...

wiphan 01-25-2012 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 834046)
Nobody was talking about that. That was another one of Cannon's weird segues into strange land, to avoid having to explain how our auto industry would have recovered from bankruptcy and ruin all on it's own without any government intervention. Because the government didn't save it. At all.

I forgot did gm pay back all of the money the government gave them?

Did ford get any govt money?

bigrun 01-25-2012 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by wiphan (Post 834115)
I forgot did gm pay back all of the money the government gave them?

Did ford get any govt money?

GM has paid all but 2 billion back.

Ford didn't get any...

wiphan 01-26-2012 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by bigrun (Post 834118)
GM has paid all but 2 billion back.

Ford didn't get any...

Does the government still own part of GM?

Clip-Clop 01-26-2012 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by wiphan (Post 834158)
Does the government still own part of GM?

You mean the taxpayers, right? :)

wiphan 01-26-2012 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 834165)
You mean the taxpayers, right? :)

My bad, yes the tax payers own a portion of GM, correct? Which is currently underwater I believe based on the acquisition costs. We should all stand up and cheer. I know when I own a stock that is underwater I applaud myself for making such a smart financial decision

Clip-Clop 01-26-2012 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by wiphan (Post 834167)
My bad, yes the tax payers own a portion of GM, correct? Which is currently underwater I believe based on the acquisition costs. We should all stand up and cheer. I know when I own a stock that is underwater I applaud myself for making such a smart financial decision

It would have been a smart decision had we jumped in and back out right before the bailing began. Now I feel just a bit duped. And a little dirty.


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