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Arletta 01-10-2012 09:40 PM

The races are Thursday morning right? Not tomorrow?

Everyone is posting their picks already :confused:

my miss storm cat 01-10-2012 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arletta (Post 830678)
Te races are Thursday morning right? Not tomorrow?

Everyone is posting their picks already :confused:

I did so I don't forget (like the first day of Showvivor). :D

Arletta 01-10-2012 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat (Post 830679)
I did so I don't forget (like the first day of Showvivor). :D


o.k.. good deal :)

clyde 01-11-2012 09:04 AM

Go to your room!

Linny 01-11-2012 11:51 AM

Race 2
Ariete Arrollador, Barbeque Eddie alt Russian Rock

Race 3
Green Beret, Addictive Dream alt Apache Crown

race 4
Dark Matter(NAP), Rassam alt Kinglet

Race 5
Glen's Diamond, Ottoman Empire alt Emirates Champion

Race 6
Musir, Mendip alt Fanunalter

Race 7
Belgian Bill, Alkimos alt Rasmy

brockguy 01-11-2012 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Linny (Post 830393)
Thank you for doing the contest again, Brockguy.

Quote:

Originally Posted by PatCummings (Post 830501)
Ditto Linny's comment...

Thanks lads, computer is working now (well for the time being) scores are being updated as we speak..

Arletta 01-11-2012 01:09 PM

Thursday - 1/12
 
R2) #1 Barbecue Eddie / #4 Ariete Arrollador - Alt: #6 Red Gulch
R3) #1 Addictive Dream / #6 International Debut - Alt:# 2 Green Beret
R4) #10 Rassam (NAP) / #2 Dark Matter - Alt: #5 Kinglet
R5) #4 Glen's Diamond / #10 Naqshabban - Alt: #2 Emirates Champion
R6) #1 Mendip / #8 Kavango - Alt: #4 Musir
R7) #10 Song Craft / #4 Happy Valley - Alt:#13 Zain Shamardal

brockguy 01-11-2012 01:32 PM

Scores after Day 1

Defending champ jaripeo storms into the lead while perennial wooden spooner brockguy sits last!!


Rank Player This Week Running Total
1 jaripeo 950 950
2 Linny 650 650
3 Arletta 430 430
4 mclem0822 419.95 419.95
5 ryonker1 415 415
6 PatCummings 220 220
7 brockguy 0 0

brockguy 01-11-2012 01:51 PM

Scores after Day 2

Linny takes the lead after a very productive day..

Rank Player This Week Running Total
1 Linny 743.50 1,393.50
2 jaripeo 0.00 950.00
3 ryonker1 423.50 838.50
4 PatCummings 433.50 653.50
5 Arletta 143.50 573.50
6 mclem0822 63.50 483.45
7 gamblin4ever 400.00 400.00
8 brockguy 80.00 80.00

brockguy 01-11-2012 02:07 PM

Day 3 Picks
1. Nova Step, Ariete Arrollador alt Captain Ramius

2. Internationaldebut, Bohemian Melody alt Terrific Challenge

3. Bible Black, Rassam alt Enjoy Dubai

4. Montaff, Plantagent alt Ottoman Empire

5. Dance and Dance NAP, Secrecy alt Fanulnalter

6.Alkimos, Songcraft alt Zain Shamardal

best of luck everyone!

Linny 01-11-2012 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brockguy (Post 830784)
Thanks lads, computer is working now (well for the time being) scores are being updated as we speak..

And lasses, last time I looked...;)

NoChanceToDance 01-11-2012 03:12 PM

Completely forgot that the carnvial starts this early, disappointed I missed the first week but I was in the States. Must play catch up....

1. Ariete Arrollador, Barbecue Eddie (alt Red Gulch)
2. Addictive Dream, Bohemian Melody (alt Sir Reginald)
3. Rassam, Bible Black (alt Kinglet)
4. Glen's Diamond (NAP) , Naqshabban (alt Emirates Champion)
5. Mendip, Musir (alt Derbaas)
6. Alkimos (NB) , Hunting Tower (alt Nationalism)

mclem0822 01-11-2012 06:34 PM

Day 3 Contest Picks........
 
Race 2-#8 Russian Rock #6 Red Gulch (alt-#1 Barbecue Eddie)
Race 3-#1 Addictive Dream #9 Terrific Challenge(alt-#2 Green Beret)
Race 4-#2 Dark Matter #10 Rassam (alt-#5 Kinglet)
Race 5-#4 Glen's Diamond (NAP)#2 Emirates Champion(alt-#5 Dr. Faustus)
Race 6#6 Escape Route #1 Mendip (alt-#2 Derbaas)
Race 7-#11 Alkimos #10 Songcraft (alt-#7 Topclas)

Good Luck All!

jaripeo 01-11-2012 08:19 PM


[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']Race 2-#14 Swop #15 Krypton Factor (alt-#11 Nova Step)
Race 3-#5 Forjatt#9 Terrific Challenge(alt-#2 Green Beret)
Race 4-#6 Mabroor *NAP #10 Rassam (alt-#7 Mehdi)
Race 5-#4 Glen's Diamond #2 Emirates Champion(alt-#8 Royaaty)
Race 6#Snaafy #4 Musir (alt-#1 Mendip)
Race 7-#8 Nationalism #11 Alkimos (alt-#7 Topclas)[/font]


PatCummings 01-11-2012 09:03 PM

Hey gang...just throwing it out there.

I absolutely LOATHE Alkimos in the last tomorrow. I'll be the first to admit I was wrong if he wins, but he seems a perfect Godolphin play-against in the Carnival. He's first Godolphin, off a long layoff, first against elders, and the good races he had in the UK showed up incredibly weak looking back at the form.

Arletta 01-11-2012 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PatCummings (Post 830895)
Hey gang...just throwing it out there.

I absolutely LOATHE Alkimos in the last tomorrow. I'll be the first to admit I was wrong if he wins, but he seems a perfect Godolphin play-against in the Carnival. He's first Godolphin, off a long layoff, first against elders, and the good races he had in the UK showed up incredibly weak looking back at the form.

Agree... and is why I went another way :)

PatCummings 01-11-2012 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arletta (Post 830898)
Agree... and is why I went another way :)

He'll be a short price too

NoChanceToDance 01-12-2012 04:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PatCummings (Post 830895)
Hey gang...just throwing it out there.

I absolutely LOATHE Alkimos in the last tomorrow. I'll be the first to admit I was wrong if he wins, but he seems a perfect Godolphin play-against in the Carnival. He's first Godolphin, off a long layoff, first against elders, and the good races he had in the UK showed up incredibly weak looking back at the form.

The long layoff never seems to affect the Godolphin horses, surely you know that more than most. Yes, it is his first time against his elders, but that's more due to the fact there is limited opportunity for a 3yo of his level to have run against older horses in the UK.

I'm scratching my head a bit when you say the form of his races has turned out to be rather weak. When he won his maiden, he did so easily with two horses pulling well clear of the rest. The second horse is now stakes placed. He also won his small field handicap with plenty to spare at the line. The 2nd and 3rd placed horses have been highly tried since that race and both stakes placed also. His latest start in a very competitive Gr3 has really been franked. The slightly surprsing winner of that (even though always highly regarded by the trainer) won a decent Gr2 in France. The horse who finished 3rd was an honest listed / Gr3 galloper who has since finished 4th in a Hollywood Park Gr1 (unsure of that form). Fact is, he's a stakes horse running around in a handicap off a mark of 104 :eek:

If Godolphin have high hopes for him, he really needs to be winning well today, and he should in my opinion.

PatCummings 01-12-2012 07:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance (Post 830910)
The long layoff never seems to affect the Godolphin horses, surely you know that more than most. Yes, it is his first time against his elders, but that's more due to the fact there is limited opportunity for a 3yo of his level to have run against older horses in the UK.

I'm scratching my head a bit when you say the form of his races has turned out to be rather weak. When he won his maiden, he did so easily with two horses pulling well clear of the rest. The second horse is now stakes placed. He also won his small field handicap with plenty to spare at the line. The 2nd and 3rd placed horses have been highly tried since that race and both stakes placed also. His latest start in a very competitive Gr3 has really been franked. The slightly surprsing winner of that (even though always highly regarded by the trainer) won a decent Gr2 in France. The horse who finished 3rd was an honest listed / Gr3 galloper who has since finished 4th in a Hollywood Park Gr1 (unsure of that form). Fact is, he's a stakes horse running around in a handicap off a mark of 104 :eek:

If Godolphin have high hopes for him, he really needs to be winning well today, and he should in my opinion.

Of course I recognize how well Godolphin does off the shelf, but they can't all be treated the same, and I firmly believe the path to a successful Carnival is finding the right times to play against them. In the 2011 Carnival, by my count, there were 17 occasions where a Godolphin horse went favored in a Carnival race and didn't win...sometimes one of their others won (indicated by *)...but in the races they didn't...the int'l tote payoffs were...

$18.00
$14.80
$16.40
$27.20
$35.40
$14.80
$11.60*
$21.60
$24.60*
$27.60
$75.60
$10.80
$21.40
$17.20
$23.40*
$59.40*
$8.80

Godolphin bought Pisco Sour, so clearly they like him. Alkimos beat Maali before the Ascot race, and he came back to run up the course in the Tercentenary, albeit over ground likely softer than he preferred. If you want, you could even use the Laajooj performance from last week to frank it. I thought Laajooj's past races, beaten Namibian, stood out more than what Alkimos's second behind Pisco Sour did, where he later defeated Colombian and Glaswegian.

Opinions are wonderful in this sport...

PatCummings 01-12-2012 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Linny (Post 830772)
Race 2
Ariete Arrollador, Barbeque Eddie alt Russian Rock

Nice triple!!!

herkhorse 01-12-2012 10:30 AM

Linny gets another triple :tro:


actually a few of you had that one

my miss storm cat 01-12-2012 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arletta (Post 830785)
R2) #1 Barbecue Eddie / #4 Ariete Arrollador - Alt: #6 Red Gulch

:tro:

Linny 01-12-2012 10:45 AM

But I nosed out of my EX by Kinglet:mad: Nice ride by Durcan to get Dark Matter through inside. he didn't look like he wanted to be in there but had no choice.

NoChanceToDance 01-12-2012 12:00 PM

I'm concerned about the form of the Suroor horses today. Rammas ran like he wasn't totally fit, and Mendip also looked very flat, Musir is a good horse, but \mendip appeared to have evrything in his fsvour today.

PatCummings 01-12-2012 12:18 PM

Re: Alkimos...

Now if only we could bet to lose...

PatCummings 01-12-2012 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance (Post 830963)
I'm concerned about the form of the Suroor horses today. Rammas ran like he wasn't totally fit, and Mendip also looked very flat, Musir is a good horse, but \mendip appeared to have evrything in his fsvour today.

He didn't have a problem last week...

Arletta 01-12-2012 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat (Post 830950)
:tro:

Thanks.. It started out good at least :)

NoChanceToDance 01-12-2012 04:58 PM

Fair play Pat, he ran too bad to be true. 104 still looks like a very good mark in my opinion. He just ran so flat, as did Red Gulch and Mendip. Just makes me wonder.

I still have no idea what Paul Hanagan was doing on Glen's Diamond today. Slowly run race, he pulled hard but was positioned well in third, but Hanagan thought the correct move was to smother him and drop him back to seventh at the most crucial stage of the race and then didn't have the pace to match the front two. I doubt the form of that race will hold up at all, and I'll be prepared to have a good go on Glen's Diamond if they meet again over the same distance.

PatCummings 01-12-2012 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance (Post 831068)
Fair play Pat, he ran too bad to be true. 104 still looks like a very good mark in my opinion. He just ran so flat, as did Red Gulch and Mendip. Just makes me wonder.

I still have no idea what Paul Hanagan was doing on Glen's Diamond today. Slowly run race, he pulled hard but was positioned well in third, but Hanagan thought the correct move was to smother him and drop him back to seventh at the most crucial stage of the race and then didn't have the pace to match the front two. I doubt the form of that race will hold up at all, and I'll be prepared to have a good go on Glen's Diamond if they meet again over the same distance.

I'm with you...I backed Jedi and thought he'd be tracking someone else, and was initially fearful when I saw him on the lead, but then laughed hysterically when I heard the fractions and thought it would be possible. The Euro-jockey holdup syndrome is something else...see also, Mirco Demuro taking 12 of them to the woodshed last year.

clyde 01-12-2012 06:18 PM

Me too.

NoChanceToDance 01-12-2012 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PatCummings (Post 831083)
I'm with you...I backed Jedi and thought he'd be tracking someone else, and was initially fearful when I saw him on the lead, but then laughed hysterically when I heard the fractions and thought it would be possible. The Euro-jockey holdup syndrome is something else...see also, Mirco Demuro taking 12 of them to the woodshed last year.

I didn't understand the pace of the races today, none were run at the usual gallop we can see in Dubai. It definitley paid to be on the speed today, with very few horses coming from far off the pace, apart from possibly Kinglet, who I think was probably the most eyecatching run of the day. For a horse who looked in need of every yard of a mile as a 2yo, dropping to seven furlongs on his 3yo debut on a new surface where the pace wasn't overly strong. Another few strides and he's won the race. The guineas is the obvious option, but I feel he'd be more suited to the UAE Derby, albeit that will be a stronger contest.

I was swearing at Hanagan during that race. I knew his chance had gone at halfway. Never given a chance. For a horse who connections have long said will stay well, why didn't they make it a good test of stamina. Especially when the fav (and winner) had never tried twelve furlongs before. I know, nor had Glen's, but he looked certain to improve with this extra distance. In the end the winner has had nothing more than a track gallop and the form shouldn't be trusted.

Mendip, well you can only say that was very very disappointing. He didn;t break with his usual fluency and was never travelling well enough to be ever called the likely winner. He might be set for a quiet year.

Alkimos........ I'm still scratching my head there. Surely, he's better than a 104 rated horse? on my figures I thought he was well worth a mark of 109-111.

ADJMK 01-13-2012 01:01 AM

Mendip, well you can only say that was very very disappointing. He didn;t break with his usual fluency and was never travelling well enough to be ever called the likely winner. He might be set for a quiet year.



Mendip was really hyper today in the paddock. I think he ran his race before getting in the gate. If he is calmer next time may be worth a bet back.

NoChanceToDance 01-13-2012 08:30 AM

He has always been an edgy individual, so I'm unsure if that made much of a difference. Given that Musir usually comes on for the run and Mendip is usually best when fresh. It'd be hard to see him reverse the placings this carnival.

PatCummings 01-13-2012 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance (Post 831164)
He has always been an edgy individual, so I'm unsure if that made much of a difference. Given that Musir usually comes on for the run and Mendip is usually best when fresh. It'd be hard to see him reverse the placings this carnival.

I think the biggest "we'll see" of the Carnival comes when Musir runs next. I trust de Kock's analysis immensely, so when he says...he needs one, he normally does. Honestly, that's why I didn't tip him up. So to see him win handy like that, I know the barn was surprised a bit. The interest comes next time and figuring out if he can put it together and show some degree of progression, because he really didn't last season in the UAE.

I thought Twice Over was impossible in the Maktoum Challenge R3 last year and he bolts home, only to do nothing close to that next time. Pop and stop, or slowly progress? We'll see.

brockguy 01-13-2012 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Linny (Post 830816)
And lasses, last time I looked...;)

I was using lads in the general sense :) :) :)

brockguy 01-13-2012 01:19 PM

Scores after Day 3

Linny extends HER lead with a brilliant nap of 16-1 shot Dark Matter and also getting the exacta in the first race. Arletta also had some nice scores and Clyde has made a very solid start in Dubai (and welcome to the other new players!!) Hopefully we can get a few more!!

results etc can be found here:
http://www.racingpost.com/horses2/re...012-01-12#1231

Rank Player This Week Running Total
1 Linny 1795.25 3,188.75

2 Arletta 1279.6 1,853.10
3 mclem0822 860 1,343.45
4 PatCummings 620.65 1,274.15
5 clyde 980 980
6 jaripeo 0 950.00
7 ryonker1 0 838.50
8 NoChanceToDance 485.25 485.25
9 gamblin4ever 0 400.00
10 my miss storm cat 130 130
11 brockguy 0 80.00
12 The Bart 0 0

mclem0822 01-13-2012 01:47 PM

Thanks for the update Brock, and your continued efforts. Good Luck rest of the way.

clyde 01-13-2012 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brockguy (Post 831209)
Scores after Day 3

Linny extends HER lead with a brilliant nap of 16-1 shot Dark Matter and also getting the exacta in the first race. Arletta also had some nice scores and Clyde has made a very solid start in Dubai (and welcome to the other new players!!) Hopefully we can get a few more!!

results etc can be found here:
http://www.racingpost.com/horses2/re...012-01-12#1231

Rank Player This Week Running Total
1 Linny 1795.25 3,188.75

2 Arletta 1279.6 1,853.10
3 mclem0822 860 1,343.45
4 PatCummings 620.65 1,274.15
5 clyde 980 980
6 jaripeo 0 950.00
7 ryonker1 0 838.50
8 NoChanceToDance 485.25 485.25
9 gamblin4ever 0 400.00
10 my miss storm cat 130 130
11 brockguy 0 80.00
12 The Bart 0 0




tysm



ily!!

brockguy 01-13-2012 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mclem0822 (Post 831220)
Thanks for the update Brock, and your continued efforts. Good Luck rest of the way.

Thanks man, havent really got a chance to give Dubai a real good go this season, and considering Ill be heading there in March for the big one, I should, but unfortunately, the day job is getting in the way :( but the scores will always be updated (at some point :))

PatCummings 01-13-2012 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brockguy (Post 831209)
Scores after Day 3

Linny extends HER lead with a brilliant nap of 16-1 shot Dark Matter and also getting the exacta in the first race. Arletta also had some nice scores and Clyde has made a very solid start in Dubai (and welcome to the other new players!!) Hopefully we can get a few more!!

results etc can be found here:
http://www.racingpost.com/horses2/re...012-01-12#1231

Rank Player This Week Running Total
1 Linny 1795.25 3,188.75

2 Arletta 1279.6 1,853.10
3 mclem0822 860 1,343.45
4 PatCummings 620.65 1,274.15
5 clyde 980 980
6 jaripeo 0 950.00
7 ryonker1 0 838.50
8 NoChanceToDance 485.25 485.25
9 gamblin4ever 0 400.00
10 my miss storm cat 130 130
11 brockguy 0 80.00
12 The Bart 0 0

There were some massive differences in US and UK pools this week. Dark Matter was 5-1 in the US, BBQ Eddie was 4-1, Master of Hounds 5-1, Belgian Bill 25-1


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