Seriously? You dont think there are serious internal issues on this team? You seem to be in the minority on this.

Did I say that?! Jesus Christ. I just don't understand what the hell you're saying when you talk about 'identity'. It usually is a meaningless term referring to a team's style of play.

What exactly was I wrong about? He made 58 catches in 2010.

I'm out.

Do you honestly think the Jets can afford to have him and Santonio on the same team again? (and when I write "afford", I don't mean $$) It appears Holmes committed the ULTIMATE sin. If he returns, who the hell knows what will happen next year.

The only reason for Ground and Pound to begin with was a rookie qb, and Rex thinking his D was the greatest thing since sliced bread. Sanchez is no longer a rookie, and Rex's fantasy has been exposed. (this isn't toward you Joey, just wanted to get the point across).

What exactly was their style of play?

I don't want Santonio back. If I had my way, I'd bring back Braylon (provided he's healthy), trade Santonio, draft a Nick Toon type, and go to war with them, Kerley, Plax and Turner. But that's a pipe dream.

I agree with your second paragraph. The defense is just good now, it's no longer elite. We need S and OLB help.

Hey you are just like Santonio! Are you sitting on a bench now?

Now why couldnt you have just said this in the first place?

I would love to draft Nick Toon, his father was as under-rated a Super star WR as has ever played the game.

Listening to Rex and Tannenbaum today was a bit disturbing. They both claimed to be disappointed. Disappointment is not winning the Super Bowl. Not making the playoffs is an entirely different adjective.

The transitive property does not work on humans.




That's a just thayin'.

That's ridiculous, why, as an example, Wayne gretzky's brother Keith .....
Oops.

How about Kobe bryants father Joe jellybean.... Oh boy.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/01/...e-won-or-lost/

lol

Now they should give McElroy a shot next year and put dirty Sanchez on the bench so he can focus on endorsements and commercials.

Hey..if I was dippin' in that I'd be throwing picks too. Who wants the playoffs when you can be beaching with her

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ate-Upton.html

Someone who wants to leave a legacy. Someone who wants to pull that type of ass well into their golden years which is possible with $$$.

But he's rebelling against his father so he'll live in the now and be broke 15 years from now with a criminal record for assaulting a broad like that.

LOL. The guy has won a ton of games. Work ethic isn't the issue.

He will never win a Super Bowl and The odds are monumentally against him ever appearing in one. No USC QB has ever played in a Super Bowl. Why would Sanchez be the first?

I hear he doesn't have the dosage index of a stayer either, Dr. Roman. Is he a dual qualifier?

Has any other USC quarterback ever won four road playoff games?

Would you bet a maiden in the Derby if one was able to run out of a winless sire. Good Luck. :zz:

PS Based upon his demeanor it sure looked like he could care less.

That analogy is so poor, I have to hope you're kidding. You can't honestly believe what you're typing. The guy was one half away from the Super Bowl one year, then one drive away from it the next. Neither AFC Championship loss was his fault. But I guess it wasn't the Jet secondary Peyton Manning was torching, it was Sanchez's USC-ness. And it wasn't Antonio Brown who caught the clinching first down for the Steelers, it was that guy who rides the Trojan horse in disguise.

You don't know anything about him or the team if you think he doesn't care. He's one of the most dedicated guys in the organization. If he doesn't make a Super Bowl, it won't be because of lack of desire, and it sure as hell won't be because of some moronic USC curse.

Dream on dude. We will have the same conversation one year from today.

And if we do, and he's not in the Super Bowl, it still won't be because he went to f ucking USC.

This is the second time (that I've counted) that you have alluded to him not caring. What is this based on?

I've never heard anyone in or around the league ever question his dedication. There are a few things about his game that can be debated, but I'm not sure where this is coming from.

He pulled it out of his ass. He's salty that the Bills will suck forever and Sanchez is slamming Kate Upton, so he has to throw whatever he can against the wall to try to get under Jet fans' skin.

Hey Jets fan at the end of the day we will both be watching a Super Bowl that doesnt include one of our teams. You have done so 40 plus times in a row now. Sanchez will NOT get you to the Super Bowl and you will be hating on him in the rear view mirror in a few years another Overhyped USC QB who didnt play in a Super Bowl.

So Sanchez will not win because he's not good enough or because he went to USC or both?

The funny thing about Sanchez, to me, is that he received very little fanfare coming out of college as his own coach thought it was a huge mistake for him to come out. Playing in the media capital of the nation, he has much more attention paid to him than the average QB. At this stage of his career is Sanchez appreciably worse than Eli Manning was at this point?

I think he is worse than Eli at same point. You tell me why out of all the QB coming out of USC, none has led a team to a Super Bowl? Is it Luck or are USC QB system QB's or simply not tough enough mentally? I dont know the answer.

Ok Jets fans would you take Peyton Manning right now? It could happen.

Don't lie either.

I don't know how you can say that Sanchez won't win a Super Bowl. He was good enough to manage/win 4 playoff games (including almost digging out of a 24 point hole in Pittsburgh) the previous 2 years.

I compare him to Eli in the sense, that they both showed those flashes of brilliance at times early in their careers. Enough that it makes you say to yourself, wow this kid could eventually be a star in this league.

I have said it before and will say it again, I think the main problem with Sanchez is the team/coaches around him.
-The offensive line is not good (that should be enough of a reason there).
-What happened with the recievers (most notably Holmes)? Is he just disgusted, which still doesn't make his behavior acceptable. Or is it a case of a guy who got his payday (which is something that happened with Plax when he was with the Giants) and doesn't care as much anymore. Then there was the Mason issue. It just seemed that there were a lot of disgruntled people there.
-Rex Ryan, I think he has done no favors for Sanchez. His first year on the team, he had no veteran presence for Sanchez to look up to (Eli had Kurt Warner). There were times when he probably could have used the guidence, not to mention there were a few times when Rex should have yanked him. He also has left him in a few spots this season(Ravens, Eagles) when the games were over, but he was left in the game and continued to take a beating (not to mention turn the ball over which doesn't help his confidence).
The team has an idenity crisis. All we have heard since Rex took over has been "ground and pound", but this season he has thrown more than ever.
Then there is Rex's talk, teams in the NFL don't need extra motivation, which he provides on a consistant basis. Is it coincidence that the Giants defense, played their best game of the season against the Jets? Maybe, maybe not. Granted they won all those playoff games, but realistically Rex put a bigger target on a team that hasn't even been good enough to win their division in the last 2 years.

By no means am I saying that Sanchez had a good season, but like I have stated for a few weeks now, it shouldn't all fall on his shoulders. I still think that he can do well in this league, but unfortunately for him I feel like the Jets might regress a bit before getting good and making another run. Which will probably lead to more and harsher criticism of him.

I can say it and will be right until he does given that the Jets havent played in the Super Bowl in over 40 years, the trend is my friend.;)

No. The neck stuff bothers me, and if the Jets don't make upgrades on the O-line Manning is going to be getting hit hard and often...just like Sanchez.

Plus, it would mean totally cutting ties with Sanchez at this point which seems premature to me.

Still waiting for you to elaborate on Sanchez not caring.

Take your time.

Hoss when I started this thread, it was because of my observation of Sanchez on the sidelines near the end of the game while they were still in it. It is what I saw this game and not a reflection of him for the season. Interesting that backup QB had similar thoughts but didnt name individual players. Poor journalism in that he wasnt asked specifically about franchise QB. Sanchez not getting a whole lot of love from former Jets. I dont see him as a leader needed to win a Super Bowl. I will glady post a thread with a mea culpa when it happens but it wont.

I'm not giving you a hard time, but what former Jets aren't giving him love? I seriously haven't seen it, but would like to read it.

I'm not really sure who McElroy was talking about...other than Santonio Holmes. But I kind of doubt he was referring to Sanchez, especially because Sanchez never has appeared to be the kind of guy worried about his stats.

He may not be the QB to win a Super Bowl. That's certainly debatable. I was just more interested on your opinion on him not caring. I think after what happened with Holmes they were all just done. It seems like the stuff has been waiting to explode for weeks now.

Durr hurr gud analyziz cept you forgot to mention the USC thing even though Sanchez was on the doorstep of the Super Bowl twice and neither loss was on him.

Nope. For several reasons.

Nice response. Well thought out. We are waiting breathlessly for the reasons.

LOL.. Take solace at being on the doorstep.:zz: 42 and counting.