Originally Posted by dagolfer33 (Post 822432)

Hoss, you post on all kinds of things here. SOME people only come out of the woodworks when Vic posts, which leads me to believe he is purposefully yanking their chain. I'm not trying to categorize you. My overall feeling is, not one of these SOB's has ever jumped out of the announcers booth and won/cost me a race......yet.

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 822428)

Who am I being harsh to?

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 822464)

The comment about him making this thread to get his supporters to come out is way over the top. Plus theres only 1 example and she did not exactly go tooth and nail to defend him. Its not like 50 people jumped on and said the article is bad and Vic is a god or anything like that.

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 822476)

Did you ever think that maybe you aren't the best judge of what is or isn't over the top?

But, I digress. I wasn't being harsh. I gave my opinion. To me, it's pretty obvious what the motivation was for posting an article that most people would have never seen, and doing it (the exact same way) on numerous boards. Others may disagree and the back and forth about it has been civil enough.

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 822479)

I basicley agree with you about him posting it, it is an odd thread for him to start. And its been totally civil, I just did not see that many people defend him. At the time of my original post I saw 1 person defend him. As for the first comment in your response, I know Im over the top a lot and maybe Im not the best judge.

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 822433)

I get that, but I seriously doubt anyone is sitting around waiting for a topic about Vic to come up so they can post.

To be honest, if I knew posting about Vic would get Stonegossard posting more, I'd start a Vic thread every week.

Originally Posted by stonegossard (Post 822509)

Bite Me.

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 822492)

I guess the point was I did not really see anyone, but 1 person defending Vic. Her defense was not much at all. Thats all. I should have kept it to myself.

Originally Posted by v j stauffer (Post 822532)

I posted the article here and on other sites because his words made feel AWFUL. To get ripped like that cuts to the core justified or not. Racecalling is my professional life. I live and die with every call. I hoped sharing the column would cause people to say positive things which I needed at the time. Probably should have slept on it, cowboyed up and not reached out in a moment of weakness.

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 822534)

One person defended him and others agreed with what she said....hence multiple people. Whatever.

Originally Posted by stonegossard (Post 822509)

Bite Me.

Originally Posted by dagolfer33 (Post 822540)

There it is, I knew we could get you to participate and take a break from your heavy touring schedule to comment. Sharp post.

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 822536)

Have you had any previous experience with the author, or was this kind of out of the blue?

Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 822579)

When I read the article I thought that there had to be some sort of past between the two. The article is so over the top, that it's ridiculous. There was absolutely nothing wrong with the call.

I guess it was a really slow week, news wise in the industry. Or just maybe the guy is just really friendly with Wrona and is just trying give his guy a leg up at Vic's expense. Who knows, who cares? I feel like the writer comes across terribly in this piece. It's so skewed, that he must have some sort of agenda against Vic. It's that obvious.

Osterman wants to talk about bad journalism, maybe he should take a look in the mirror. With all that's wrong in the sport he chooses to use his platform to rip apart a guy who does his job with personality, character and feeling.

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 822633)

Maybe he comes off terribly, but again we're only looking at it from one side. His criticism of Vic saying "darn it" is over the top, I agree. But he says its another example of Vic trying to be "the show." It's probably not the best example, but some do feel like Vic does this. If that is what his point was, he probably could have made it more effectively.

Hopefully Osterman responds or Vic answers if the two of them have a past. Maybe he is valid for having an agenda, maybe not. We don't know. But, it's worth mentioning most of us would have never even seen this if it wasn't posted. I just tried to find the actual article and I couldn't. Who knows what his platform even is.

Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 822642)

Personally, I like when announcers are colorful.

Originally Posted by Cardus (Post 822594)

This is really funny.

Originally Posted by Cardus (Post 822648)

It's possible, of course, that there is no agenda and that Osterman is calling it like he sees it.

Since it is not a flattering piece, why must there be some agenda, a friendship elsewhere, or a slow news week?

If it were a flattering piece and someone posted here that there must be some ulterior motive behind publishing it, that poster would get hammered.

Originally Posted by Duvalier (Post 822669)

I'm just curious...why is it that you seem to jump in every Vic Stauffer thread on every forum and bash him?

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat (Post 822666)

That is an unbelievably mean thing to say.

I've wanted to stay off this thread, I appreciate certain people here and they know who they are.

I read this though... I am just stunned that you or anyone would respond like this to any person here.

I'm not lecturing you, judging you, I don't want to fight with you. I can't even explain why I find it embarrassing that anyone would say something like this.

I know you can be very witty... sometimes I wonder if you just get caught up in things.

This was a terrible thing to say. If no one else is going to point that out to you I will.

I hope no one is ever this mean to you or anyone you know, respect, like, love, etc. There is no reason for it. You've repeatedly made your point... I can't believe you would laugh at someone who is being so honest about being hurt.

Originally Posted by Cardus (Post 822648)

It's possible, of course, that there is no agenda and that Osterman is calling it like he sees it.

Since it is not a flattering piece, why must there be some agenda, a friendship elsewhere, or a slow news week?

If it were a flattering piece and someone posted here that there must be some ulterior motive behind publishing it, that poster would get hammered.

Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 822682)

To me it just seems like he making mountains out of molehills. So Vic said darn, let's kill him for showing some compassion to a horse that broke down.

Then to the comparison against Wrona (whom I have no issues with, he's a solid announcer).

Really this is one of the things he's picking on?



I watch a lot of races from Hollywood, does Vic use first names sometimes, sure. But on many occasions he uses the last name too. Once again I don't see what the big deal is.



Oh, I guess Wrona has his faults too :rolleyes: . As far as this and his quip about Wrona always being accurate, I guess it's a lot easier to do when you only have about 6 horses in each race. I know Hollywood doesn't always have full fields either, but it's nothing compared to Northern California.



Really, says who? It seems like the majority of people whom I talk to and post around here aren't in love with Trevor. Did Mr. Osterman write a pointed article after Trevor missed Strett Sense in the 2006 BC? Or what about when he pleaded for Zenyatta to get up at the wire last year? Aren't those must bigger offenses than Vic saying Darn?

Obviously everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but if you are going to give a total rip job to a guy, you should at least have some valid arguments. To fabricate and exaggerate minor points to make your own agenda look valid is kind of lame.

I'm sure some sort of fluff piece would have gotten mixed reviews around here too. Some would have thought it was nice and others would have maybe mocked and taken a shot or two, especially if the fluff was exaggerated as much as the negatives were in this piece.

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 822681)

Come on. I think you're a little caught up in things here and you know I respect your opinions whether I agree or not, so I'm not being shi.tty just for the hell of it.

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 822684)

Your wasting a lot of time right now, because he simply does not like Vic. Its been clear for a long time.

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 822677)

I dont think I have ever defended Vic but the above question is fair. Cardus is all over him. Even during my multiple bans I can still get on and read and it happens all the time.

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat (Post 822687)

You do know I mean Cardus and not you, right?

Someone says they feel awful, cut to the core, moment of weakness and the response is this is "funny".

I always respect your opinion too. MIne is just different from yours.

It was very mean, in my opinion.

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat (Post 822687)

You do know I mean Cardus and not you, right?

Someone says they feel awful, cut to the core, moment of weakness and the response is this is "funny".

I always respect your opinion too. MIne is just different from yours.

It was very mean, in my opinion.

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 822671)

I'm just curious....why is it that you seem to jump in every Vic Stauffer thread on every forum and defend him?

Originally Posted by Duvalier (Post 822700)

Every forum bwahaha. Are you going to let Cardus answer? It was a simple question.

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 822703)

I asked you a simple question also. Take your time.