Now the trainer wants to retire him on top. Holy ****, on top of what?

Starter race a Parx on the 3rd he fits

He's a hell of a lot closer to a throwback warhorse than Zenyatta.

Joseph there's nothing else going on. The BC is over, it's the end of the year and it's a Monday, what else should the DRF talk about/be covering? So he won 20 in a row, great, nice story. No one is saying that he's better than Zenyatta because he broke the streak. The only thing that he definitely accomplished tonight is that he'll probably be an answer on Jeopardy somewhere down the road.

No shot of him going there

Win streaks need to be taken into context of the competition. They arent really records, they are novelties. But at least Zenyatta was running in graded stakes company even if it was usually pretty weak graded company. RR is a nice story but he is running in races now that seem to be created for him to win. To his credit he has won a distances from 5f to 1 1/8.

Probably not. Laurel Dec 1 1 1/8 starter 5k.

I havent seen Mountaineer on TVG in a while....but thats pretty bad they didnt show it tonight.....even just the one race.....

TVG and HRTV have always been pro-Zenyatta. It's the old payola scam in reverse.

You know Jerry Moss used to be big in the American music industry, right?

of course he hasn't got the same talent level. but the big thing zenyatta had going for her was the streak-this ought to show that isn't enough for hall of fame inclusion. of course her sharing the streak with pepper's pride should have shown that.
he's in where he belongs, and keeps winning. nothing wrong with that.
it's not a shame he holds it; the shame is that people put so much emphasis on her doing that, while paying no attention to the fact that a supposed top horse took that many years to compile 20 starts. that's the shame. this horse did it in one year.

I think this misses the point that Chuck and PG are trying to make entirely. I'm not discrediting the accomplishment, but it needs to be taken in it's proper context. He had the distinct pleasure of enjoying this condition for a calendar year. It was a complete an utter anomaly that a horse with this talent (that of about a 25-30k claimer) was put in for 5k, and as a result, got to beat up on short fields of 5k claimers in nothing more than published workouts for the calendar year. To his credit, he did it at just about every distance they write, and was flawless in doing so.

If you think Robert Cole is interested in the "well being" of this amazing talent, I'd suggest you check his history. He ran this horse every opportunity he had, and, if we're being honest, didn't need to put forth much effort at all to win them. He simply towered over his competition for a year because he was a 25k horse that ran 5k races. Nothing super sporting about that - in context.

If he retires (and that's what I've read) it is because he no longer has this advantage come Jan 1st., and will now have to face the reality of being an medium level claiming type on the mid-Atlantic circuit.

Real races, that actually take a toll and require time off between them.

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Rudeboy you are correct sir. Cole is not the nicest considerate human I have ever met, he is in it for the Money. Not that there is anything wrong with that. But the health and welfare of RR is last on his list of considerations IMHO.

Stop it. Mr. Berry is as good as they come. He's a member of this board. Perhaps you should tell him that personally.

Shouldn't this warrant a ban? I mean, really?

I thought the call was completely appropriate - 20 wins is 20 wins, and I don't think Peter could've done any better job than to say what he said...with all due respect to Zenyatta and Peppers Pride, the record DOES belong to this horse, fact is fact.

A "Ban" ? Really?!?!? Maybe someone who takes this **** so ****ing seriously that they would even suggest a "Ban" should be banned for not having a life. Do you for 1 nanosecond thing that he wishes the guy was REALLY SHOT? :zz:

Exactly, especially when the owner is basically handpicking the plugs he runs against. If there is one he doesn't like that might challenge him, the horse suddenly scratches. The scratches were VERY predictable the last 3 or 4 times this horse ran. Anyone think that is a coincedence?

So everything is just a joke or a jab? I think people who say anyone should be shot are themselves off their rocker for joking about injuring or potentially killing someone. And maybe those who sympathize with them as well...you think I'm crazy, I think you're crazy.

You could have a conversation about the racecall if you wanted, but RHT's comment is inappropriate.

I've had some race calls after which I'd gladly have shot MYSELF. This was not one of those. I was more than happy with the call, trying to touch as many bases as possible, with "Everest in his veins" on the backstretch to some semblance of respect to Zenyatta and Pepper's Pride at the finish. The only thing I regret was getting a little caught up in the moment at the finish and forgetting to mention who ran second and third. Thirty lashes for that.

David Wells syringe?

I would agree -- other than one pretty good for the level horse he beat twice at Charles Town -- and the Ness move-up at LRL -- he hasn't faced any true 5k starter alw types in his last several races of the streak.

Actually, I borrowed the line from a song, substituting Rapid Redux for Edmund Hillary.

yeah, but you're talking about rockhardten, he's been banned from this board more times than pval has been banned from riding.

A Rapid Redux VS Drosselmeyer match race at 8.5 furlongs...

If I owned either horse -- I'd take that silly match-race in a heartbeat.

You could promote it like a boxing match... The current all-time win streak king VS the last out Breeders Cup Classic winner.

and RR would have such a huge pace advantage that it would certainly be a very interesting looking race turning for home... Drosselmeyer is so poorly suited to a match race and Rapid Redux would certainly be able to run a 90+ Beyer with no early and middle pressure.

Get some slots track in the Mid-Atlantic to put up a six figure purse... as brutal as these Eclipse voters are ... the winner of this silly event might be able to steal Champion Older Male.

I can understand being caught up in the moment of losing a bet in a race and making the comment that a particular jock should be shot...Hell, I am guilty of that. But to make a comment that a race caller (someone that has no outcome in a race)should be shot...I just don't get it.

But, then again, I am completely biased towards Peter and Mountaineer Park. I am a big fan of both.

If you're the connections of Drosselmeyer, what would be the incentive for this? It's a lose/lose regardless of the outcome.

If you lose the race, you lost to a vastly inferior horse. If you win, you beat a vastly inferior horse. Trust me, there is no glory for beating a terribly outclassed opponent.

:tro:

I think it would be a fun match-up -- and it would give the sport some attention during the most dull racing month of the year... December.

As for incentive for Drosselmeyer's connections -- Drosselmeyer has twice competed in ungraded 60K stakes this year -- a six figure purse to race against a 5k starter horse in a race that is good for the sport -- against a horse some writers have already said they would vote Horse of the Year.

The eclipse vote for champion older male is going to be split so thin between horses like Acclimation, Tizway, Flat Out, Cape Blanco, Game On Dude, and others ... Drosselmeyer would probably steal all the Rapid Redux votes.

Rapid Redux has run 9 furlongs at Charles Town three times -- he's run Beyers of 92, 88, and 91 with his rider wrapped up turning for home each time.

Game On Dude and Tizway -- perhaps the two best older dirt horses from start to finish this year -- both ran 97 Beyers at Charles Town going 9fs when 2nd and 3rd in the $1,000,000 stake.

Drosselmeyer has made 12 career starts at a distance of 9.5 furlongs or less and he's never run a Beyer higher than 92. He's horribly suited for a match race because of his running style.

I think Rapid Redux VS Drosselmeyer going 9fs at Charles Town would be fun to watch. RR would have a genuine chance in that race... especially because a lot of shippers into CT don't fire.

It's mental masturbation to even talk about the race -- but it would be fun to watch. I know I'd like to see it.

Not sure how much he's going to be standing for, but don't you think it would be considerably less if he should lose to RR? At least they have the BC Classic to hang their hat on now, I would think the price would drop based on a loss in a gimmick race to a glorified 20k claimer.

It will never happen, but if it did, my money would be on RR.

I suppose.

After watching this race, however, his stud fee should be minus $5,000 ...

http://www1.drf.com/displayVideo.do?...=D&country=USA


It's a replay of Drosselmeyer getting dusted by Colizeo going 8.5fs at Tampa Bay Downs.

That sounded good. :{>::{>:

Attention from who? No one outside of racing fans would care and I question if racing fans would even care.

Drosselmeyer as a sire will never be worth more than he is now due to the Classic win. It's not like his owners need a six figure purse. If he gets beat by Rapid Redux, I would imagine that would be bad for business for his owners.

If a writer is voting for Rapid Redux for HOY, they should have their vote taken away.

Where have I heard that before?

The 20 wins in a row VS last out BC Classic winner sales pitch won't do a damn thing for me ... but a chance to watch Drosselmeyer struggle with a good nickle starter horse would be priceless.

Race calling
 

I didn't see anything wrong with your call. I enjoyed your enthusiasm.

I just was hoping to get the PP/Zen reference to the filly... looking back at my post, I did call you a tool - that was unfair and unwarranted - I don't even know you.... My apologies & keep up the great work.

Before he was known for training Rapid Redux:




Rapid Redux is 18-for-18 this year -- and 2-for-2 last December ... so, this 20 race win streak with a former 5K claimer was achieved in less than one year time.

Here's a great win streak from a horse who shipped all over... and certainly had more super fast races over his career than Secretariat, Seattle Slew, and Man O' War combined.

1:20 flat in the Malibu...Woah.