It's like Stay Thirsty no longer exists..

Ummm.... huh?

If there is a pace collapse and Ruler on Ice is ridden properly I think he can absolutely clunk up for 3rd or 4th.

He's one of the few to have won at 1 1/4.

3 starts outside NY, 3double digit losses.
It seems like he runs better @ NY tracks than anywhere else.
I've heard how 3yr olds mature and get better rapidly, I just don't see him winning even though he does have a win @ 1 1/4.

I don't think NY has anything to do with Stay Thirsty winning a couple of races.

I think it's more of a matter of the quality of fields he faces.

any thoughts on to honor and serve off the penna derby?

No love for Game On Dude?? He adores 10 panels. Not saying he is necessarily the winner, but he will put away any horse that tries to run with him through the first mile.

Big difference between putting away Tres Borrachos and what he'll face at Churchill. I would also like him more if he ran better away from California this year.

If nothing else he'll provide the pace, which should unsure a fair race. But isn't he going to be facing much, much better horses than have beaten him already this year?

The more I think about this race, the more I think it has to completely collapse.

Game On Dude will be sent because they've decided he needs to be.

To Honor and Serve will be looking for the lead.

Shackleford will be up there.

Mo can sort of rate--maybe--but he'll be very close.

Tizway likes to lay close.

Like I said, I think Mo and Tizway are much the best, but I can't really play them here. Feels like you HAVE to bet Flat Out if the race stays intact.

Why not the immortal Giant Oak?

Ya I'll use him too probably. . . check your PMs

:tro:

I think you have to respect Mo's talent and keep him on multi race tickets especially with this field not being the strongest of classics. However, playing the race alone I have to be against him... call it being a wise guy if you want.

No way am I gonna take 2-1 on a horse who's worst race came at 9f (sick or not) and who's going to be close to what looks to shape up as a quick pace up front. Game on Dude, THAS, and Shackleford (if going) will all be looking for the front. Tizway, Stay Thirsty and Twirling Candy wont be far back. Barring defections from the race it could very easily be hot up front. Go ahead and beat me.

I think you have to use Flat Out and Havre De Grace as win candidates. Underneath, why not Ruler on Ice? I thought he ran well in the PA derby and distance is obviously not an issue with a little bit of a meltdown clunking along for 3rd or 4th isn't impossible. Same goes for Awesome Gem. Will be interesting to see how So You Think and Await the Dawn train at Churchill.

Just the way I'm going to approach it... now Mo will win by 5.

So 30 days out here's my guess for closing odds in the Classic for this 14 horse field:

Uncle Mo 3 - 1
Havre de Grace 4 - 1
Tizway 5 - 1
Game on Dude 9 - 1
To Honor and Serve 11 -1
Stay Thirsty 11 - 1
Flat Out 12 - 1
Giant Oak 13 - 1
Twirling Candy 15 - 1
So You Think 15 - 1
Ruler on Ice 25 - 1
Ice Box 30 - 1
Awesome Gem 30 - 1

Interestingly my 14 horse field only had 13 names. Add Prayer for Relief at 19 -1.

So You Think?
 

This isn't a race to enter as a spur of the moment, nothing else left to do race. I will take American horses pointing to BCC over SYT, etc.

Flat Out at 12-1... :zz: Try 5-1.

12-1 on Flat Out? He'd be the overlay of the year and I'd do cartwheels (poorly) in my living room before the race if he is that high.

I think he's going to be 3rd choice at worst assuming all of the names you mention go and I think he'll be shorter odds than Tizway.

Really 12 since you listed Ice Box.

Agree. . . he has no shot in this spot.

Having no shot has not stopped Coolmore in the past. Quite frankly they have nothing to lose.

For every Dylan Thomas, Oratorio or tragically George Washington it just takes a Giant's Causeway or Johannesburg to reap the significant stallion fees that make it worth it.

From a handicapping risk/reward point of view given the new surface question it is rarely represents any value.

Alinghi was a pretty accomplished horse... :)

As was Strawberry Road, a vastly underrated race horse.

Giant Oak - Awesome Gem Exacta -- I love it! :D

stranger things have happened. Just think the exacta payout. :$::$:

$0.00

http://www.pedigreequery.com/strawberry+road

click the little i thingy to get a brief listing of his accomplishments.

Oh my God thank you for not biting off my head!

I'm gonna go and take off my neck brace...

Yea.

The uncle is back. Will Thursty and him be coupled?

Does Saturday's Hawthrone Gold Cup eliminate Gaint Oak from consideration or improve his odds based in the trip he got?

It seems to me that if he has the opportunity the Ken Ramsey will send Headache to the Classic.

Any chance this race overfills? If so what are the rules for getting in?

Well we know Ramsey loves sending his horses so??

A maximum of 14 starters (with 2 Also Eligibles) are allowed in each of the fifteen Breeders’ Cup races.

In the case of an oversubscribed fourteen horse field, the first horse(s) selected will be the winner(s) of Breeders’ Cup Challenge Races in the corresponding Breeders’ Cup division, the next horses will be ranked at pre-entry based on the total number of Graded Stakes points they have collected during the year until a total of seven horses have been ranked based on Breeders’ Cup Challenge Races and Graded Stakes Points.

The Panel will be free to establish its own criteria or ranking, so that high-quality horses of demonstrated ability will have the opportunity to participate in Championships Races regardless of earlier participation in graded events.

His broodmare sire, Tights, was a stakes winner on dirt in CA, and was closely related to the brilliiant, but over-hyped miler Furiously as well as the good CA sire Bolger (sire of Sea Cadet).

I thought he was supposed to run in the Cox Plate in Australia. The Champion-Classic double wheeling back from the Arc seems like a tall order, especially after making hard work of it for the majority of his campaign this year.

For Headache; a 99 BSF for the race, a win at the distance, a Tapit out of a Woodman mare and a win around two turns at the track.

He makes more sense than many and when he shows up in the gate I'm going to have to take a long look.

Headache has a great chance...to finish 7th beaten 10 lengths or so after being 14th in the early going. Maybe he can outfinish Stay Thirsty in the final 70 yards.

If Starcraft had run a winning race I would have cashed a massive P4. Took him over St.Liam. Wish I would have l known Dutrow was so confident he bet $100,000 to win.

I was alive in the Pick 3 and my friend who I went with the Pick 4...

We needed to lose a horse so when we were at the windows STUPIDLY decided it would be Saint Liam.

:wf

(We did both think of Sightseek though when he won and had done well enough that day to be happy and shut up I am not redboarding)!

For the So You Think people... you all do realize he runs in the Champion Stakes on Satruday, right?