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Danzig 07-13-2011 11:00 AM
but didn't obama promise to get us out of the wars, to close gitmo, to get rid of dadt? maybe that's why they're mad, none of that has happened.

i expect dadt is just a matter of time, but i think he could have made a clean cut with that.
i believe panetta is in iraq, trying to get permission to keep troops in iraq.
gitmo-not going to happen. the house military appropriations bill would indicate there are no changes imminent in afganistan/iraq.

i can see why some folks would be sore.

as for spending, the budgets for most, if not all agencies increased when obama took office. so much for cutting spending. the commission he formed to find ways to cut costs-ignored.

a lot of talk-not much action.


at any rate, i'm not happy with the lot of them. i don't like the fact that the reps are doing what they can to keep obama from being re-elected, rather than doing what's right. i don't like the far righters trying to impose their religious zeal on others. i really don't like that the real problems we're facing are being ignored for the sake of politics. it's a disgrace.

Riot 07-13-2011 11:40 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 790818)
... a lot of talk-not much action.
No new President can do everything all at once by snapping one's fingers. He's certainly not the first president to have campaign promises come up against reality. Especially when the opposition party leader stated publicly that their legislative goal is to prevent this president's re-election. And their actions are proving it.

He tried to close Guantanamo, but he had to do something with the prisoners, and states refused to take them. Turning them loose wasn't an option. What is he supposed to do there?

Iraq - he drew down 100,000 troops this past year. We should be out end of year (consider that we are still in Japan, Germany, etc) Yes, Iraq may ask for 10,000 to stay, we don't know what will happen with that yet. Afghanistan - he promised to put the focus of troops in there, increase them, and he did. And he got Osama bin Laden. Now he's drawing down there, too.

Obama has kept far more promises than he's broken (see PolitFact) and has quite a noteable bit of accomplishment to his name. Obama's nowhere near close to "failure". That's absurd. He has one of the most accomplished (as far as legislative successes) modern Presidencies. Against one of the most dedicated political obstructionist opposition parties.

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at any rate, i'm not happy with the lot of them. i don't like the fact that the reps are doing what they can to keep obama from being re-elected, rather than doing what's right. i don't like the far righters trying to impose their religious zeal on others. i really don't like that the real problems we're facing are being ignored for the sake of politics. it's a disgrace
I agree with that part completely.

EAT YOUR DAMN PEAS!

joeydb 07-13-2011 12:15 PM
OK, De-fund ObamaCare and put that in the ashbin, even before it is formally found unconstitutional once and for all. That will save a ton of money.

Riot 07-13-2011 12:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 790829)
OK, De-fund ObamaCare and put that in the ashbin, even before it is formally found unconstitutional once and for all. That will save a ton of money.
Repealing "Obamacare" will cost us billions in future savings, according to the CBO.

And the first high level federal court to look at it just deemed it constitutional, with the majority opinion written by a conservative judge who clerked under Scalia.

Sorry.

Why do you want your newly-found consumer protections from insurance companies taking advantage of you repealed? Seems a rather stupid choice to me, that you are voting for going back to kicking young kids with cancer off their policies.

joeydb 07-13-2011 01:33 PM
Bull. That's creative accounting. I don't want the government in charge of my health care. I'll take my chances with an independent corporation that has to compete with other independent corporations.

Riot 07-13-2011 02:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 790879)
Bull. That's creative accounting.
Really? Show us how your figures differ from the independent CBO, whose job it is to be far more accurate than people on internet boards.

In fact, the savings are so real, that even Ryan's GOP Budget keeps the savings from the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.

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I don't want the government in charge of my health care.
Guess what? The government is not in charge of your health care. There is nothing in "Obamacare" that puts the government in charge of your health care.

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I'll take my chances with an independent corporation that has to compete with other independent corporations.
Then you should love how "Obamacare" institutes competitive insurance exchanges, where you can shop for competitive pricing on your private company policy.

I am sick of the completely clueless trying to comment on issues of the day. Poll tax.

Riot 07-13-2011 02:50 PM
McConnell goes all in on politics over debt ceiling help
 
And this morning we have Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, getting pummeled by his party for capitulating completely and being willing to give up Legislative branch control of debt to a President, publicly revealed that his deficit fix strategy is not to help the country, but to defeat President Obama.

This loser needs to be defeated in a bad way.

Quote:
Sam Stein stein@huffingtonpost.com
McConnell Debt Ceiling Strategy: 'I Refuse To Help Obama Reelection'
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_897124.html
With audio from his talk with Laura Ingram today.

clyde 07-13-2011 03:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Riot (Post 790903)
And this morning we have Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, getting pummeled by his party for capitulating completely and being willing to give up Legislative branch control of debt to a President, publicly revealed that his deficit fix strategy is not to help the country, but to defeat President Obama.

This loser needs to be defeated in a bad way.



With audio from his talk with Laura Ingram today.
You know,Dahling....you need a night in bed with Honula.




That would straighten out yo behind.

Danzig 07-13-2011 03:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Riot (Post 790823)
No new President can do everything all at once by snapping one's fingers. He's certainly not the first president to have campaign promises come up against reality. Especially when the opposition party leader stated publicly that their legislative goal is to prevent this president's re-election. And their actions are proving it.

He tried to close Guantanamo, but he had to do something with the prisoners, and states refused to take them. Turning them loose wasn't an option. What is he supposed to do there?

Iraq - he drew down 100,000 troops this past year. We should be out end of year (consider that we are still in Japan, Germany, etc) Yes, Iraq may ask for 10,000 to stay, we don't know what will happen with that yet. Afghanistan - he promised to put the focus of troops in there, increase them, and he did. And he got Osama bin Laden. Now he's drawing down there, too.

Obama has kept far more promises than he's broken (see PolitFact) and has quite a noteable bit of accomplishment to his name. Obama's nowhere near close to "failure". That's absurd. He has one of the most accomplished (as far as legislative successes) modern Presidencies. Against one of the most dedicated political obstructionist opposition parties.



I agree with that part completely.

EAT YOUR DAMN PEAS!
i would say that the big ones all seemed to slip thru his fingers. afganistan became our longest war, what, a year or so ago? no progress in sight. the mil. appropriations bill the house passed-9 billion CHEAPER than what obama asked for. doesn't sound to me that our govt is gearing stuff down-not when the proposed spending is over 2.5% higher than '11.
obama is doing what he's doing based on wanting re-elected-which is what he said he wasn't worried about. i'd imagine the dem party straightened him out on that score.
it's all politics, and we're at their mercy.

Riot 07-13-2011 03:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 790929)
i would say that the big ones all seemed to slip thru his fingers. afganistan became our longest war, what, a year or so ago? no progress in sight. the mil. appropriations bill the house passed-9 billion CHEAPER than what obama asked for. doesn't sound to me that our govt is gearing stuff down-not when the proposed spending is over 2.5% higher than '11.
obama is doing what he's doing based on wanting re-elected-which is what he said he wasn't worried about. i'd imagine the dem party straightened him out on that score.
it's all politics, and we're at their mercy.
I call "the big ones" healthcare insurance reform, stopping the waste of lives in Iraq, stopping threats from al Quaeda, and keeping us out of depression. Pretty damn good score there.

I would imagine the Dem party, judging by what they've said this past week or two, would like much more "control" than they have over Obama now.

Danzig 07-13-2011 03:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Riot (Post 790936)
I call "the big ones" healthcare insurance reform, stopping the waste of lives in Iraq, stopping threats from al Quaeda, and keeping us out of depression. Pretty damn good score there.

I would imagine the Dem party, judging by what they've said this past week or two, would like much more "control" than they have over Obama now.
that's the thing, other than healthcare (which didn't mean a thing to me) we're still facing all that other stuff. 3 wars, if you count libya, higher spending, bad unemployment, etc, etc.
are we better off since obama took office? i don't think so. are we worse? i don't think so.
treading water is no success story.

Danzig 07-13-2011 06:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Riot (Post 790903)
And this morning we have Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, getting pummeled by his party for capitulating completely and being willing to give up Legislative branch control of debt to a President, publicly revealed that his deficit fix strategy is not to help the country, but to defeat President Obama.

This loser needs to be defeated in a bad way.



With audio from his talk with Laura Ingram today.

eight years of bush got us where we are now; why would mcconnell think they've got much of a chance anyway?
his suggestion of giving control on the debt ceiling to obama is a pathetic joke, much like many republican ideas these days.

Danzig 07-13-2011 09:02 PM
http://www.slate.com/id/2299128/

Take Me to Your Leader
The debt-limit talks show Washington's rhetoric to be even more empty than usual.
By John Dickerson
Posted Wednesday, July 13, 2011, at 6:44 PM ET


In the spirit of reducing waste, fraud and abuse in Washington, I suggest a drastic cut in the number of words used by any leader in Washington calling on any other leader in Washington to show leadership. Instead of endless vague generalities, they should just say: Give me what I want.

dellinger63 07-14-2011 08:32 AM
with talk of yet another stimulus the last thing this President needs is a higher debt limit. Maybe the raising of the debt limit and by how much should be a monthly decision until we get it under control and Obama gets control of his habit? :)

Danzig 07-14-2011 01:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 791070)
with talk of yet another stimulus the last thing this President needs is a higher debt limit. Maybe the raising of the debt limit and by how much should be a monthly decision until we get it under control and Obama gets control of his habit? :)
yeah, absolutely no doubt that moody's would keep us with our current credit rating if we did what you're suggesting.

joeydb 07-14-2011 01:50 PM
The bad news is you owe more to the credit card company than you will ever be able to repay, and your children, and your children's children for as many generations as it will take are on the hook for the bill.

The good news is you have a AAA credit rating! :confused:

Riot 07-14-2011 02:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 791193)
The bad news is you owe more to the credit card company than you will ever be able to repay, and your children, and your children's children for as many generations as it will take are on the hook for the bill.

The good news is you have a AAA credit rating! :confused:
We don't owe more than we can repay. In fact, if we do nothing at all, just let the Bush tax cuts expire, the deficit is mostly gone in 10 years or so.

The Republican Paul Ryan budget just passed in the House necessitates the debt ceiling to be raised twice in five years. The GOP knows how budgets and cash flow and Treasury bonds work.

Why people keep confusing paying our past bills, and what the debt ceiling is, with future spending is beyond me. Unreconcilable stupidity, I guess.

Not raising the debt ceiling only does one thing. It prevents us from using cash flow to pay the bills we already owe. Money we already spent. It causes default.

The debt ceiling has nothing to do with limiting future spending.
The debt ceiling has nothing to do with limiting future spending.
The debt ceiling has nothing to do with limiting future spending.

The idiots in the Tea Party congress that think otherwise and are blocking this routine, one-sentence accounting housework are threatening to bring this country down, and need their term limit to kick in with the 2012 election. They are not intelligent enough to govern. They have a disconnect from reality. They are dangerous for this country.

Riot 07-14-2011 02:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 791070)
with talk of yet another stimulus the last thing this President needs is a higher debt limit. Maybe the raising of the debt limit and by how much should be a monthly decision until we get it under control and Obama gets control of his habit? :)
1) This country is in a stagnant recession with stagnant unemployment, and needs a massive jobs bill.

2) Economics 101: You do not cut spending, stop money flow, in a recession.

3) The debt ceiling raise is to continue paying bills we already owe, and has nothing to do with any future spending.

4) The House initiates spending. The President of the United States does not have the money. Congress does.

5) You apparently need an "America 101" course to figure out how this country works, as you clearly don't know.

Riot 07-14-2011 02:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 790978)
eight years of bush got us where we are now; why would mcconnell think they've got much of a chance anyway?
his suggestion of giving control on the debt ceiling to obama is a pathetic joke, much like many republican ideas these days.
McConnell stated clearly his goal: he wants politics put first, and that's why he wants to do this, to provide political cover to the GOP.

I think the end of this, middle of next week, will the routine one-sentence clean debt ceiling bill they always pass. What should have happened weeks ago.

clyde 07-14-2011 02:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Riot (Post 791222)
McConnell stated clearly his goal: he wants politics put first, and that's why he wants to do this, to provide political cover to the GOP.

I think the end of this, middle of next week, will the routine one-sentence clean debt ceiling bill they always pass. What should have happened weeks ago.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RrQ4FWjijI

Danzig 07-14-2011 03:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 791193)
The bad news is you owe more to the credit card company than you will ever be able to repay, and your children, and your children's children for as many generations as it will take are on the hook for the bill.

The good news is you have a AAA credit rating! :confused:
our economy is partly based on this countrys credit rating. i figured you knew that.

joeydb 07-14-2011 04:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 791242)
our economy is partly based on this countrys credit rating. i figured you knew that.
I do know that. But when you hear "raise the debt limit and protect the credit rating", you still have all this debt and we need to really start paying it back, which will never happen as long as we keep borrowing.

Danzig 07-14-2011 04:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 791259)
I do know that. But when you hear "raise the debt limit and protect the credit rating", you still have all this debt and we need to really start paying it back, which will never happen as long as we keep borrowing.
yeah, we need to fix the borrowing-but we can't default, which would be an awful result of the stupidity in washington.

clyde 07-14-2011 07:27 PM
Riot..you know I kid, right?


Oh come on...so do you have pretty legs or not?

I think all libtards should be shot, but not if they have pretty legs.

hi_im_god 07-14-2011 07:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by clyde (Post 791294)
Riot..you know I kid, right?


Oh come on...so do you have pretty legs or not?

I think all libtards should be shot, but not if they have pretty legs.
:mad:
:tro:

mine aren't bad. i ride and hike.

i'm a little worried the pound and a half of hair on each will be a deal breaker, though. at least i really hope it is.

still looking for an out from getting shot.

clyde 07-14-2011 07:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by hi_im_god (Post 791300)
:mad:
:tro:

mine aren't bad. i ride and hike.

i'm a little worried the pound and a half of hair on each will be a deal breaker, though. at least i really hope it is.

still looking for an out from getting shot.

rolling and laughing!!!!








To tell the truth..I would shoot all the neo Nazis as well.

Riot 07-14-2011 09:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 791259)
I do know that. But when you hear "raise the debt limit and protect the credit rating", you still have all this debt and we need to really start paying it back, which will never happen as long as we keep borrowing.
We can pay it back, but not if we allow default. Default will send our interest rates on the debt we already have skyrocketing. Then we'll never be able to pay it back.

Coach Pants 07-15-2011 04:55 AM
I thought hope and change was? Empty slogans 4tw.

joeydb 07-15-2011 06:30 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Riot (Post 791314)
We can pay it back, but not if we allow default. Default will send our interest rates on the debt we already have skyrocketing. Then we'll never be able to pay it back.
OK, that sounds reasonable. And nobody actually WANTS a default, but then the president and the Democrats do need to allow serious cuts in spending. If you can cut the spending enough to actually start paying the (net) debt back, then raising the debt limit in the interim by a small amount seems like a good idea.

Both sides are playing chicken. "No cuts in 'benefits' for entitlements" and "Not raising the debt limit no matter what" are irreconcilable positions.

Danzig 07-15-2011 07:50 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 791395)
I thought hope and change was? Empty slogans 4tw.
yeah, anyone who bought that has to be feeling a bit jaded. more of the same old same old.

Danzig 07-15-2011 07:53 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 791402)
OK, that sounds reasonable. And nobody actually WANTS a default, but then the president and the Democrats do need to allow serious cuts in spending. If you can cut the spending enough to actually start paying the (net) debt back, then raising the debt limit in the interim by a small amount seems like a good idea.

Both sides are playing chicken. "No cuts in 'benefits' for entitlements" and "Not raising the debt limit no matter what" are irreconcilable positions.
the reps have already said more than once that they won't let us default-that the ceiling will be raised. they're just trying to force some cuts at the same time, which isn't a bad thing. but they won't force too much, as they don't want to do anything that they can't pick on obama about later. they'll only get a certain amount cut, and then the party will say they wanted more, but obama is a tax and spender...but vote for our guy, and we'd have cut this much.

Coach Pants 07-15-2011 07:56 AM
MSM wants Cantor to take the fall for this one. I'm hoping the Orange takes the fall.

Danzig 07-15-2011 08:04 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 791395)
I thought hope and change was? Empty slogans 4tw.
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/US/07/14...consideration/

Administration asks court to reconsider 'don't ask, don't tell' order

From Bill Mears, CNN Supreme Court Producer
July 15, 2011 -- Updated 0145 GMT (0945 HKT)

Washington (CNN) -- The Obama administration Thursday evening asked a federal appeals court in California to reconsider its order last week temporarily blocking the U.S. military from enforcing its "don't ask, don't tell" policy on gays and lesbians serving in the military.
U.S. officials have been moving ahead with dismantling the policy but had objected to having the courts force the government to officially repeal it at this time.


further down:


Log Cabin Republicans slammed the administration's newest court action. "This latest maneuver by the President continues a pattern of doublespeak that all Americans should find troubling. All this does is further confuse the situation for our men and women in uniform," said R. Clarke Cooper, the group's executive director, who is also a captain in the Army Reserve.

"'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' is an offense to American values that should have been gone long ago. It is shameful that a president who has taken credit for opposing the policy is taking extreme measures to keep it on life support."

dellinger63 07-15-2011 11:24 AM
Obama made it very clear today he is not into cutting anything.

The U.S. has lost its identity of independence and equality to reliance and entitlement. The pursuit of happiness should in no way be subsidized.

lord007 07-15-2011 11:39 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 791473)
Obama made it very clear today he is not into cutting anything.

The U.S. has lost its identity of independence and equality to reliance and entitlement. The pursuit of happiness should in no way be subsidized.
How many times has he said corporate jet owners now???

dellinger63 07-15-2011 12:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lord007 (Post 791479)
How many times has he said corporate jet owners now???
He hasn't a clue. Who builds, flies, maintains and manages corporate jets?

Billionaires? Didn't think so!

Riot 07-15-2011 12:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 791473)
Obama made it very clear today he is not into cutting anything.
:zz: Didn't watch it?

Riot 07-15-2011 12:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 791413)
yeah, anyone who bought that has to be feeling a bit jaded. more of the same old same old.
Speak for yourself. I'm quite happy with Obama.

Especially compared to the Mad Max full-depression third-world wasteland we'd be living in under McCain-Palin.

clyde 07-15-2011 12:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Riot (Post 791505)
Speak for yourself. I'm quite happy with Obama.

Especially compared to the Mad Max full-depression third-world wasteland we'd be living in under McCain-Palin.

Also enjoys long finger nails screeching across a black slate board as well as sticking her nipples in industrial strength vises.

dellinger63 07-15-2011 12:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Riot (Post 791504)
:zz: Didn't watch it?
I did that's how I know instead of proposing cuts he gave excuses why we can't.


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