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Riot 06-13-2011 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by pointman (Post 784198)
Do you read your own posts? You clearly stated that JV was wrong for making a public accusation as the game does not need more public accusations of these things. That is a suggestion that it should be swept under the rug..
It's clear you don't read my posts. Or you simply are unable to understand them.

I said Johnny was unprofessional to make the public accusation of another jock deliberately threatening the lives of the jocks and horses at the press conference. They are meeting with the stewards Wednesday. He should have waited until then to publicly discuss the results.

No "sweeping under the rug" involved.

You want to talk "utter nonsense spewed on this website", we only have to read what some of you say when you are talking drugs and magic juice and horse health problems.

pointman 06-13-2011 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 784193)
That's why this fake outrage is so funny. The public? We're lucky if the public knows the name of the winner of the race.

People, if they even hear about this, aren't going to change their mind about the sport because of this. And it's not like we're going to lose any potential new fans or bettors because of it.

On the flip side, Hollywood Park let a horse run and eventually win a race the other day that he wasn't eligible for. That thread has gotten zero responses. I'd say something like that is far worse towards the public perception of the sport than something like this.
Very true. I have to look back as I know that I bet on that race and you are 100% right, it is amazing that there is not incredible outrage over that incident. How could the Hollywood Park officials miss that? The real outrage is that anyone who bet that race that ripped up their tickets were cheated, yet it is not as if Hollywood will refund the money. Nothing can damage the sport more then cheating which is perceptively sanctioned.That is a real issue, a true theft.

Yet, this knucklehead thinks we should be outraged by a guy publically stating, justifiably, that he believes someone put his life in danger. Incredible!

Coach Pants 06-13-2011 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 784200)
:tro:

Dahoss 06-13-2011 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 784202)
:tro:
:tro:

Antitrust32 06-13-2011 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 784200)
You want to talk "utter nonsense spewed on this website", we only have to read what some of you say when you are talking drugs and magic juice and horse health problems.
Who is WE?

so there are no chemists or horsemen who have created 3rd, 4th, 5th generation performance enhancing drugs that cannot be tested for and apply them to their race horses?

and you can certainly tell everyone that Uncle Mo is fine, without looking at the horse, vet exams, blood results? because it's all black and white

Riot 06-13-2011 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by pointman (Post 784201)
Yet, this knucklehead thinks we should be outraged by a guy publically stating, justifiably, that he believes someone put his life in danger. Incredible!
Yeah, except that's not what I said, was it?

pointman 06-13-2011 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 784200)
It's clear you don't read my posts. Or you simply are unable to understand them.

I said Johnny was unprofessional to make the public accusation of another jock deliberately threatening the lives of the jocks and horses at the press conference. They are meeting with the stewards Wednesday. He should have waited until then to publicly discuss the results.

No "sweeping under the rug" involved.
It is clear that you can't read and continuously shift issues, deflect and insult others in a vain attempt to dig yourself out of the latest hole you have dug yourself in. I put your own words in front of you and you still can't admit to that you clearly stated. Whatever state licensed you should be ashamed of themselves.

I will make this as simple as possible for you to understand. There was nothing unprofessional about what JV stated, he had every right to state it and should be praised for doing so, not critcized by a jackass such as yourself. If you can't understand that, I cannot help you. Just like a liberal jackass to make the victim the one in the wrong.

Riot 06-13-2011 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by pointman (Post 784206)
It is clear that you can't read and continuously shift issues, deflect and insult others in a vain attempt to dig yourself out of the latest hole you have dug yourself in. .
Hole? LOL - I made one clear statement. I think it was unprofessional of Johnny V. to accuse Rajiv in the press, before the stewards meeting Wednesday.

You would know about shifting, deflecting and insulting. You've given a laughable demonstration of your skills at it over the past several pages.

Coach Pants 06-13-2011 04:35 PM
This is like going to a blind dentist.

pointman 06-13-2011 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 784207)
Hole? LOL - I made one clear statement. I think it was unprofessional of Johnny V. to accuse Rajiv in the press, before the stewards meeting Wednesday.

You would know about shifting, deflecting and insulting. You've given a laughable demonstration of your skills at it over the past several pages.
You are proof that you cannot argue logic with those who are illogical. You are right, it is clear that my posts are laughable and yours are not. :rolleyes:

The only thing that you have demonstrated is that it is you who should be drug tested before we have to suffer anymore of your moronic twisted logic.

Riot 06-13-2011 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by pointman (Post 784211)
You are proof that you cannot argue logic with those who are illogical. You are right, it is clear that my posts are laughable and yours are not. :rolleyes:

The only thing that you have demonstrated is that it is you who should be drug tested before we have to suffer anymore of your moronic twisted logic.
I rest my case :tro:

slotdirt 06-13-2011 04:41 PM
As I was saying about obfuscation...

Riot 06-13-2011 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by slotdirt (Post 784214)
As I was saying about obfuscation...
Watching some of you guys is like watching a bunch of nine-year-olds trying desperately to maintain their importance and rule on the playground :D

pointman 06-13-2011 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 784213)
I rest my case :tro:
No one is more impressed by you then yourself.

slotdirt 06-13-2011 04:46 PM
Watching Riot is like trying to understand the homeless man in Lafayette Park explaining how long and for what purpose the government has been listening to his thoughts through tiny radio chips implanted in his mercury-filled cavities.

Riot 06-13-2011 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by pointman (Post 784216)
No one is more impressed by you then yourself.
Not at all. You're so much more important than me ;)

Coach Pants 06-13-2011 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 784215)
Watching some of you guys is like watching a bunch of nine-year-olds trying desperately to maintain their importance and rule on the playground :D
Figures a brain dead lard ass such as yourself would be watching people exercise.

iamthelurker 06-13-2011 05:35 PM
Yeah because a pro like Johnny Velazquez needs to hear what the stewards say before he can actually know when a guy pulls a bush league "i'm upset" move 3 jumps after his horse breaks straight. If you knew anything at all you would recognize exactly what happened and be calling Rajiv unprofessional, not one of the most professional riders in the game.

Kasept 06-13-2011 08:47 PM
Rich Migliore was rather definitive today on ATR about the video evidence showing Maragh's intent and completely supported Velazquez and his justifiable anger over the ridiculously dangerous and amateurish action. Hour 2. As I mentioned today, there is a Jerry Bailey corollary to this situation.

Meanwhile, all the focus on this incident has overshadowed the day's earlier jockey hijinx which saw David Cohen (Not Now Ashley) nearly send Javier Castellano over the rail on Crushing in the 2nd race. Castellano checked up before drawing nearly even inside Not Now Ashley before Cohen abruptly shut him off. Castellano and Chad Brown were none too pleased, and Brown was already unhappy with Castellano's choices last week on firster Self Control. Will be interested to see if Cohen gets a benching for his stunt.

randallscott35 06-13-2011 08:49 PM
As someone who bet Self Control it took all my Self Control not to smash the TV with a horse 5 length best and Javy doing his thing.

pointman 06-13-2011 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 784267)
Rich Migliore was rather definitive today on ATR about the video evidence showing Maragh's intent and completely supported Velazquez and his justifiable anger over the ridiculously dangerous and amateurish action. Hour 2. As I mentioned today, there is a Jerry Bailey corollary to this incident.

Meanwhile, all the focus on this incident has overshadowed the day's earlier jockey hijinx which saw David Cohen (Not Now Ashley) nearly send Javier Castellano over the rail on Crushing in the 2nd race. Castellano checked up repeatedly before drawing nearly even inside Not Now Ashley before Cohen abruptly shut him off. Castellano and Chad Brown were none too pleased, and Brown was already unhappy with Castellano's choices last week on firster Self Control. Will be interested to see if Cohen gets a benching for his stunt.
Unfortunately I did not get to hear this until my ride home from work due to the Sirius changes. Mig was terrific in his explanation and separation between fact and opinion. Mig's conclusion is wholly warranted and, unlike others on this board, supported with circumstantial factual evidence. Great work with this issue today Steve!

randallscott35 06-13-2011 08:56 PM
How about Bailey using Eddington like a piece of meat in the Belmont? Jerry is just a bad guy. Shame no one realized it.

Revidere 06-13-2011 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 784267)
Rich Migliore was rather definitive today on ATR about the video evidence showing Maragh's intent and completely supported Velazquez and his justifiable anger over the ridiculously dangerous and amateurish action. Hour 2. As I mentioned today, there is a Jerry Bailey corollary to this situation.
Interesting take by Mig on this. If you remember back in 1981 Angel purposely herded a horse Rich was on for Bob Debonis leaving the gate because Angel felt the new kid was getting too much praise. What made matters worse was Cordero just about trumpeted that he would do it. I would love to hear if Rich remembers that incident.

Riot 06-13-2011 10:32 PM
So after Johnny V. has completely dissed the NY stewards by attempting to circumvent them, and get his case tried in the press, what are the odds he'll get any consideration from them Wednesday?

Dahoss 06-13-2011 10:48 PM
Anyone else get a laugh reading this continued nonsense and then the signature following it?

Antitrust32 06-14-2011 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 784272)
How about Bailey using Eddington like a piece of meat in the Belmont? Jerry is just a bad guy. Shame no one realized it.
who's no one? lots of people realized it I believe.

randallscott35 06-14-2011 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 784312)
who's no one? lots of people realized it I believe.
Few. Very few. Maybe you're one of the lucky ones....Maybe.

Antitrust32 06-14-2011 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 784314)
Few. Very few. Maybe you're one of the lucky ones....Maybe.
I would hear it discussed when I used to spend a lot of time in New York & I agreed with them... I'm sure more than a few on this board realized it also.

randallscott35 06-14-2011 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 784315)
I would hear it discussed when I used to spend a lot of time in New York & I agreed with them... I'm sure more than a few on this board realized it also.
He surely drowns kittens when no one is looking.

Antitrust32 06-14-2011 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 784316)
He surely drowns kittens when no one is looking.
lol, I wouldnt go that far!!

Riot 06-14-2011 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 784292)
Anyone else get a laugh reading this continued nonsense and then the signature following it?
You've repeatedly referred to that quote in odd context. I think you need a dictionary.

iamthelurker 06-14-2011 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 784289)
So after Johnny V. has completely dissed the NY stewards by attempting to circumvent them, and get his case tried in the press, what are the odds he'll get any consideration from them Wednesday?
Because the NY stewards are the almighty be all end all of racing knowledge. Please. Johnny doesn't need permission from a bunch of blind know nothings, who didnt even put up an inquiry sign, to speak his mind. And I don't think he cares what "consideration" they give him Wednesday. Get a clue.

Dahoss 06-14-2011 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 784427)
You've repeatedly referred to that quote in odd context. I think you need a dictionary.
I think you need a drug test.

Riot 06-14-2011 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by iamthelurker (Post 784483)
Because the NY stewards are the almighty be all end all of racing knowledge. Please. Johnny doesn't need permission from a bunch of blind know nothings, who didnt even put up an inquiry sign, to speak his mind. And I don't think he cares what "consideration" they give him Wednesday. Get a clue.
Wow. Take things too literally, do you? :D

iamthelurker 06-15-2011 01:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 784566)
Wow. Take things too literally, do you? :D
Wow. No clue what you were talking about, did you? :zz:

my miss storm cat 06-15-2011 12:34 PM
10 days...

http://www.drf.com/news/belmont-stak...areless-riding

Dahoss 06-15-2011 12:39 PM
I guess despite dissing (who still uses that word?) them, the stewards did in fact give Velazquez some consideration. Imagine that....

randallscott35 06-15-2011 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by my miss storm cat (Post 784685)
Deserved 30

Riot 06-15-2011 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by randallscott35 (Post 784693)
Deserved 30
Probably, but at least they did something.

slotdirt 06-15-2011 01:09 PM
Good thing Johnny V talking to the press got him less consideration with the NYRA Stewards.


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