:zz: No, I don't. What I said has nothing at all to do with the bill. Zero. Can't you follow the thread?

Tea Party and GOP ex-senator attack protestors in Capitol
 

Yeah, this is really nice. What a bunch of complete effing losers these three are - and the guy in the wheelchair was a former elected state Republican official. Intolerant, hate-filled idiots - like the idiots following Rand Paul who threw to the ground and attacked the girl holding the sign they didn't like.

Plenty of Facebook accounts of this attack, and video out there on internet

No, paying your taxes is not a "sin". We as a country choosing to take care of each other is not a "sin" in the least. You think that's a sin?

You want be a member of this society, that is the price of admission you choose if you want to be an American and live in this country. You don't like this country, move elsewhere. You want to stay here, you have your say like every other citizen does. You don't like something the majority, as a democratic republic, decides to do, tough luck. Get over it or move out.

No paying taxes is not a sin. America needs an Armed Forces, a Judicial System / Prison System and about the tenth of oversight committees it currently has. What the government does not need any business in is healthcare, retirement planning and unemployment. All should be handled privately on an individual basis, with private insurance either paid by the individual, employer or a combo of both.

You want someone to pay to subsidize your healthcare? Move to Canada. BTW the majority wants Obamacare repealed so I can't understand your arguement and it is no longer current? Get over it or move north.

LOL - we, the government, started those programs: retirement safety net, unemployment insurance, healthcare reform - because the private systems were woefully inadequate and American citizens were suffering

Nonsense. False. The majority think the few provisions in the insurance reform were inadequate, too little, and want more - including single payer.

Watch this (the whole thing): you agree with Rand Paul, I'd imagine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYgVglm2xFY

Just in case you want to cite something other than your imagination.

http://www.whitehousedossier.com/201...care-repealed/

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...ealth_care_law

So deal with it

It's not going to be repealed. It's the law. It's already in effect. So you deal with it ;)

I thought you said the majority of americans didn't want Obamacare repealed? You believed that what Dell said was nonsense or false. Obviously he supported that with facts. There will be 800,000+ jobs lost if Obamacare goes into effect. That should help improve the economy. :eek:

If you look at the polls from January 2011 (Rassmussen, even), it's completely opposite. If you look at the poller, it changes with the way the question is asked. When you ask people if they want more (single payer) it's yes.

And your reference for that weirdness is? And btw, "Obamacare" is already in effect. It is in effect now, and has been for some time.

Most provisions do not go into effect until 2014

What part of getting 30 million people better insurance and healthcare access is going to lose " 800,000+ " jobs?

What do you think is going to happen to all the people employed in the insurance industry? Estimates are that a minimum of 800,000 will lose their jobs if all the provisions go into effect by 2014. The insurance will not be better for most of us that already have decent insurance. The only reason you believe that is you are self employed and have to pay your own insurance. Having the government involved with something like your health is not a good thing. Have you ever dealt with a realtive on Medicare? The patients health is not what matters most

Um, no. There is no estimate whatsoever that "the insurance industry" will lose 800,000 jobs.

What was actually said, in the Congressional hearing that puts out the number you are quoting, where the CBO director spoke, was that 800,000 people, over the next 10 years, will no longer have to work just to afford their insurance, and that they may choose to not continue working.

It should also be noted that 800,000 no longer having to work just to afford insurance means ... insurance will cost less for them. A good thing.

Most people won't experience a change in their insurance, but all will and already have experienced benefits. It is already better for everyone who is insured, as your insurance company will no longer be able to rescind you. You also no longer have a lifetime cap.

Two good things that affects everyone in a positive way.

The benefits of the PPACA affect everyone, whether they are in a group at work or a group of self-employed. Nearly all the PPACA are simply consumer protections from private insurance companies. No "government takeover of health care".

They do a pretty damn good job with Medicare. So good, that I think Medicare should be offered to everyone.

Yes, I do (both my parents) and those hoops are no different than what private insurance companies require - they are just specific to Medicare.
Another good thing from the PPACA is that it closes the donut hole for them. A big benefit.

obama and riot approval dropping!
 

Check it out obama approval dropping. Maybe us will wake up and this spending to solve everything will end it doesn't work! As for the incident in capital its sad but isn't time for these protesters to go home! Wisconsin is fine and fact great! We have a governor willing to fix a budget thats been broken for a long time. Why don't yu come up riot go to summerfest next week and see for yourself. Protesters go to riots house she can listen to you sing! lol

Here's a Politifact story about how Walker's budget increases your taxes over the next few years:

http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/...tax-increases/

I agree with the donut hole thing, but Medicare is not better than my current insurance and definitely has some major issues

Medicare is worse than some, and better than some, private insurance policies. The point, and the reason it exists, is that it insures people (old, sick) that no private insurance company would. Medicare was created for a reason - and that reason (old sick people need insurance and private companies won't insure them) hasn't disappeared and will not.

I think buying into Medicare should be offered to any and all Americans. Don't declare a single payer, let the market decide.

Let private insurance companies compete with that offered plan, at that price.

That probably would lose thousands of insurance company jobs (which is why we don't have single payer in this country - the insurance company lobby)

PPACA is helping people that are not insured now. Why people who are insured hate that is beyond me - because we are currently paying, through our insurance and medical costs, for those uninsured now. I'd much rather they have insurance, get better medical care because they can afford it, and stop only being seen in crisis mode (expensive for us).

And the consumer protections for us who are insured are a good thing - not something to dislike. That's crazy!

How will the insurance companies will see a loss of employment? 30 million more people will now be insured by them (it's estimated 18 million additional have already been ensured) The private insurance companies certainly won't lose business, they are gaining it.

You'll notice the day the PPACA passed, insurance stocks went up - not down.

LOL

Yeah Unions are known for their peaceful tactics too

The guy ran over their "things" in his wheelchair?
Did he have some sort of monster truck wheels installed?
Are we sure this wasn't Roger after a few too many drinks?

I dont remember choosing to "take care of each other"?

I wasn't aware that this was put to a vote of the people of America. I seem to remember it as being done by politicians.

Was awfully hot today for January

hey chuck, hope all is well, been awhile. so are you trying to imply i'm a menace to society. you know i would be down on state st at the bar instead of wasting my time at the capitol running over liberal hippies "things". if i was there drunk i woulda took zien out and started a riot .:) rog

wheelchair demolition is a new sport ive been active in

hope you and paula and the kids are doing great. tell paula hi from us

now back to my bottle of pinot noir

:tro::tro:

So is the Governor of Wisconsin yet you seem to be wet in your pants for any recall elections, and you don't even have a vote.

Yet repeal of Obamacare that I demonstrated thru polls, is not a desire of the majority, is untouchable law?

Hypocrisy? Of course, deal with it!

LOL - hardly.

The health care law repeal attempt was voted upon earlier this year, and already failed.

The recalls in Wisconsin may fail, too. Or may pass.

Both are moving along their legal, constitutional channels as the voters want.

Nothing hypocritical about that at all, is there?

Yes, I'll be sending more money to Wisconsin Democrats, to help their repeal efforts. Glad to do it :tro:

Oh, you don't know how that works? We elect politicians to represent us based upon what they promise to do for us? All the Republicans and Democrats that have promised us health care over the years - in addition to Social Security, Medicare, etc. ?

Yeah, that was all done against the continuing will of the majority of American people over the past decades ;)

I'm still waiting to find out how the insurance industry will lose " 800,000+ jobs ", when they've already added an estimated 18 million to their insurance rolls, and will get up to 30 million new clients.

Glad your sending money to wi instead of paying for your own bum knee.

Obamacare is unconstititional and that's the difference.

Wisconsin Justice Prosser assaults another judge
 

The above title should read "allegedly", I guess.

Yeah, good thing this complete loser guy was elected to the Supreme Court in Wisconsin. Maybe he has dementia. First he announces to the world his purpose on the court will be to support the governor's agenda, now he's under investigation for assaulting another judge.

Old, angry white guys. It's sad. McCain, Prosser ...

Big long article with much detail here:

Sorry, Mr. Ignorant, I do both ;)

Hats off again to Walker

You contention that people that don't live in a state can't care what happens there is ridiculous and silly.

I've very happy New York legalized gay marriage. The GOP Governors union-busting agenda is being implemented in multiple states, and I'm quite happy to help people in those states fight the removal of individual freedom.

Wisconsin Supreme Court Justice David Prosser needs to resign immediately. Assaulting a judge is a felony in Wisconsin. He has committed physical assault on a coworker. He has a history of verbal abuse in the workplace. He could be brought up under Title VII.

Do you agree or not?

I'm happy for the New York law and think it should be the law of the land.

Prosser didn't assault anyone. And oooooo verbal abuse and title 7? :eek:

You have a current, US President who has our troops, fighting a illegal war, under the command of a foreign entity, yet he claims there is no war, despite there being tape and you're concerned with a story of a Supreme Court Justice from a State not your own, who assaulted an underling?

Blinks On!

To quote another poster, you'd do better to stop interfering in New York, and pay more attention to Wisconsin :p

Blinks on? ROFLMAO. You are commenting, but obviously didn't even bother to read the story - which is it, Dell? "Didn't assault anyone" or "assaulted an underling"

Factually, it's neither of your imagined scenarios: Prosser physically assaulted another Justice on the Supreme court

He absolutely needs to resign by end of business Monday.

It allegedly happened in her chambers? Is she the only judge w/o a bailiff? He assaulted no one or she failed to report a crime. Considering their previous relationship I'll take the former.

BTW By your reponse I take it you DO think the alleged assault is more important than Lybia. :zz: Blinks On for sure!

You still apparently haven't read any articles about what's happening with this, have you? :D

And take my lack of reponse (sic) about unicorns to indicate I think Prosser was riding one when he attacked his fellow judge ;)

Over/under on Prosser resignation: Weiner took three weeks, I'll bet Prosser is gone in two.

Yea such big news it didn't even make the Gazette. He's going nowhere.

Naw. Just NYTimes, Forbes, Associated Press, etc. National media attention forcing both candidates to make more detailed statements today more directly addressing the situation (Prosser of course blames his victim, the victim sez no, her neck did not attack him as he alleges). The police chief is addressing charges on Monday, too.

racist and bigot

Bunch of she said. If it was so bad why didn't she press charges along time ago? Oh by the way riot its official the budget has been signed! Time to party this week. Any of those protesters show up at your place yet? Told them you were a friend of walkers! Lol

Do some of you guys just not bother to read newspapers and learn about stuff that happens in your state before you talk about it?

Looks like she did indeed do something at the time: a Wisconsin Judicial Commission investigation is ongoing from then; and today the Dane Country Sheriff announced a second investigation.

Enjoy your tax hikes, and increased state deficit with that budget.

"Lol"

LOL - I think you need to look up the definitions of the words you use before you try to use them in desperation where it really doesn't apply.

I am talking about two specific people: David Prosser, who is old, has a documented history of public anger, and is white; and John McCain, who is old, has a documented history of public anger, and is white.

Two old angry white guys.