Quiet represents the majority of Americans. That's what they believe. We, as Americans, love giving up our freedom of speech and various other rights.

If you want to burn books, go for it. If you want to kill people who had nothing to do with it...well it's ok because some white man, the devil, burned a book on the other side of the globe.

I really don't like political things, but this really isn't political---or maybe it is.



Money is not the root of all evil, but hate is.

Hate is more responsible for deaths than anything.

Hate of a person,hate of a benign act,hate of a country,race,religion or creed.....and even hate of an obnoxious yet innocuous sports fan.



And it makes it all the more remarkable what that guy,be he the son of God or a man,said.....''Love thy enemy."



Boy, did he know what he was talking about.

Sad to say,I have hated.

But I'm not anymore....gosh I hope not.



I renounce my hatred of the FOF and DUMB CORPS and forgive them .I will also stop calling them names.This isn't going to be easy,but I will.

Lets take this place over, Kareem.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmD3vfudlDU

is that what you took from my post?

That's why I asked. I didn't understand that post. Please explain what you meant then.

I didn't. I blamed the Taliban. Duh.

Geeshes, Dell - learn how to read.

What I said, was:

The Taliban, in concert with the local religious leaders, is clearly involved in the latest violence. It's all about whipping up the anti-American froth. It's just an excuse.

Yes, I agree the Taliban is just blood thirsty radical animals with no value on life.

But yeah - when the Taliban uses the clown in Florida to incite violence against our troops in Afghanistan, yeah - that puts Americans in danger.

Charles Johnson at Little Green Footballs sums it up well:

"The rioters who murdered UN workers and ran amok today in Kandahar are responsible for their actions. But Terry Jones, who was warned repeatedly by top US officials that violence would be the result, is also responsible for his actions. Jones is a pathetic coward who put the lives of others on the line in order to make a statement of pure bigotry. And more than a dozen are now dead because of it.

In this country, Jones has the constitutional right to burn any book he feels like burning. Should he be punished for this? Not legally, no. But this disgusting, deliberately provocative act does not deserve anyone’s support, and Jones is no hero for free speech. He’s a twisted, amoral man hiding behind religion — just like the Afghan imams who incited these crowds to violence."

Exactly!

:tro:

The point I'm trying to make is that even if the pastor was out of the equation, the troops or anyone that is American for that matter would be in danger anyway. They don't need any reasons to kill Americans.

By you bringing up the pastor is almost like some sort of justifucation for them going around killing people.

Absolutely not...there is no justification for murder. But this guy was warned in the past that his burning the book could excite folks and make a dangerous situation that much more so. Remember, this bloodthirsty mob of animals didn't kill Americans but UN workers mainly from Africa. In the past 24 hours, riots have spread across the country with the predictable flag burning and hate America crowd using his actions as an excuse. I agree that it's tempting to say, "F them" let them go back to Taliban rule but the problem is that we've lost many American lives there and need a government free of the Taliban (and with them the terrorists plotting to attack us), so we need to have support of the people...and this crackpot's hateful act just set that back quite a bit.

Excuse me but there is no f.ucking way you libs are going to make Jed Clampett equally as guilty as the morons who murdered innocent people.

There are levels of stupidity. The people you're defending are at the bottom of the barrel. Jed may be real dumb but he's not even on the same planet as those clowns in Afghanistan. They are the problem, not Tater.

Come on Coach, you can't read what we've been saying and conclude that we are defending the violent scum who murdered folks in the name of some garbage. Nor can you read our comments and conclude we are comparing the bigot with them. This is a case where it's not either/or, there are no good guys between Jed and the Afghanistan scum....his act had consequences and he's too full of hate to care, their actions deserve swift punishment to send a message that you can't murder innocent folks...period! Bigotry is vile and hateful, murder is murder...there is no equality of guilt but excusing Jed as a hapless loser misses the point.

You either support freedom or you support murdering psychopaths.

Jed is exposing a staggering percentage of Muslims as nothing more than murderous, oppressive thugs.

Sometimes in life you have to make a choice. And giving up our freedoms because some idiot is instigating other idiots is COMPLETELY OUT OF THE F.UCKING QUESTION.

And you're wasting your breath if you think it's ever going to stop. Pick a side.

I support freedom as much as anyone but with freedom comes responsibility. Millions of young men and women have died for our freedom, they understood as we must that freedom is never free! Jed has the right (paid for with the blood of many) to be a bigoted, hateful, idiot but when his behavior puts innocent lives at risk, he can't just sit back and smirk. His behavior was legal but morally corrupt and folks have a right to call him on it.

This forum is starting to make me hate the word bigot. I see it at least 84 times a day here.

Still not okay to yell FIRE in a crowded theatre, even in the name of freedom of speech

And, can we not refer to ******* Jones as Pastor?

However, I absolutely don't think the entire Western world should have backed down from showing images of there god, because they don't like it. That was shameful on our part, and the many, most notably a few of our Christian leaders who did put the blame on the cartoonist

Coach, Jed is no hero for exposing these murderous neandrethals, we already were aware. If I know there is a baby killer up the street, I'm no hero for bringing a few toddlers up and dropping them off at the doorstep, just to prove the point ad infinitum(?)

BTW, Jed Clampett isn't quite right here. C'mon! Jed had a natural sense of fairness and decency

Jethro maybe...

Sorry but this topic is horses.hit in the grand scheme of things. If you're really worried about the troops, UN workers, etc. then you're crucifying the wrong guy.

We are currently fighting 3 wars, two of them we're fighting for oil. We're fighting for Exxon, BP, Hugo Chavez, and numerous dictators.

And now we're training and supplying al-qaeda in Libya.

Jed Clampett is the least of our problems.

I agree with that! (not sure who we are supporting in Libya but history is not on our side to be sure). But just cause there are worse folks doesn't give Jed a free pass, he's like Westboro, a flea in the ointment at best....unless you are one of those directly affected by his/their actions.

True 'dat. In the end, it's not about God or freedom or human rights or anything like that; it's always about stuff. Didn't Carlin do a routine on that?

:zz: Only if you completely ignore what I said about it. Which was the opposite.

We've known the Taliban and the Afghani imans to be murderous for many decades. Nothing new here. What "staggering percentage" are you talking about?

How did I read this wrong? :zz:

By completely ignoring the entire paragraph previous, about the Taliban, where I said who was at fault and dismissed the jackass in Florida as just an excuse.

Let's post like you: FU. You're the Squeeky Fromme of internet board idiots.

It's called tunnel vision.....

If the guy in florida was a muslim burning a bible it would be freedom of speech to you. But a crazy, old, American man burning the kuran is risking American lives? This is why you have so deservingly earned the Squeeky Fromme of muslims, (minus a couple hundred bad ones.)

No. That's a completely false statement. You certainly can't recognize your own ignorance.

I think it's all Carter's fault :D

The first post says it all, then it looks like you do a little tap dance around it in the second (Suprise :rolleyes:).

The bottom line is that they are in danger 24 hours a day 7 days a week, because they are Americans. Reguardless of who is and who isn't burning books.

No I didn't. Get a clue.

:rolleyes:

Comical.

Math....if three people found themselves in a cage with three hungry lions who were thankfully asleep, all they had to do was quietly exit the cage but suddenly Jed started pounding on the cage and yelling waking the lions who attacked and killed the people inside. Sure they were in danger simply by being in the cage and sure, the lions were man-eaters all along and everyone knew that but would you give old Jed a pass for his actions?

It's apples and oranges, but I'll play along.

At anytime the lions could wake up an attack without being provoked.

The Christian Science Monitor has a pretty good piece on how Jones' actions help the Taliban. Heading to the article:

"Many Afghans do not realize that US pastor Terry Jones, who held a Quran burning last month, heads a small church whose beliefs are not widely shared, thus fueling anti-foreigner sentiment that benefits the Taliban."

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Globa...ps-the-Taliban

But they didn't just wake up, they were awakened by the actions of dear old Jed. One can always use the excuse that they may have awakened on their own but that's not what happened...Jed's actions woke them! The fact that they did what wild animals do once they woke up doesn't dissolve Jed of the guilt of waking them up!

So are you really saying that because one person out of a population of over three hundred million lit a book on fire, that he is soley responsible for waking the animals?

Do you understand how ridiculous that is?

It's ridiculous to you because your mind is set, nothing I or anyone else will say will change it. Sorry that you feel his right to be a bigoted jerk supercedes any consequence of his actions. And, for the record, yes...he woke the lions.

I'll stick with General Patraeus' assessment (who, btw, also says Jed woke the lions):

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...831942006.html

The Afghani's are not Egyptians, nor even Libyans. They are tribal. They don't have internet access or Facebook. What they learn about the outside world is from their religious leaders during Friday afternoons. The dickwad in Florida put his little quest for fame on the internet, where the radical imams and the Taliban grabbed it and used it to stoke hate for America (like they did with the Abu Grab pictures) as represented by the troops on the ground in Afghanistan. Nobody in America even noticed it happened.