Correct - all 4 of you.

Cheap claimer who loved to win - climbed up the ranks to win over $1 million and finish 2nd in the Breeders Cup.



Name him.

Classic example of why Claiborne, though perhaps good for "breeding", is bad for racing.

After getting pummeled in the Woodward, he tried valiantly in the BC Classic, only to weaken for 5th. Desperate for a win against older horses, because they had no intention of bringing him out for a 4yo year, they wheel him back in the Cigar Mile and predictably gets dusted again. What a way to end a career.

After not being thrilled by his initial crops they dumped him off on Japan. Ironically, a similar career both trackwise and studwise as his sire, Forty Niner.

As a side note, I enjoyed how they avoided the Derby, then scratched from the Preakness because of crowd concerns, yet saw fit to run on the Belmont Stakes undercard (where a Triple Crown was at stake).

Bluesthestandard. Just thought of him the other day, and how pathetic his connections were to let him slide down back to bottom level claimers.

Correct.

Bluesthestandard?

They were so worried about this guy at Saratoga for the Travers, that they put him in a van from his barn to the stakes barn right behind the paddock. They also got permission to leave the paddock early...Nice to have those connections...

By the way - whoever trainer Mike Mudaris is ... that man doesn't screw around.

Claim a horse for 16K - it wins and runs a 99 Beyer - and next month you run him back for a 10k tag.

Pretty obvious that Bluesthestandard had to have a million things wrong with him even from the start of his career.

How could you forget about Lemons Forever? I can't think of a single horse/race that threw you over the edge quite like that one!

Name this claiming colt ....

John Henry? He was a gelding.

Correct.

Not according to the PP's or chart.

He's even still listed as a colt in the offical chart of his 2nd New York race that season -- which was also his first turf race. The PP cut above was from the race prior to his first turf race.




9th place finisher Data Link was claimed out of that race ... he wasn't.

Got shot down on that one. Good thing you didn't tee off on me too bad.

I don't deserve it.

Interestingly .... this is the first race in his PP's where's he's listed as a gelding ...



I doubt they gelded him after a 15 length turf win... perhaps, his entire turnaround was the result of gelding him?

Lots of "high end" stables in there. Harbor View, Wygod, Seth Hancock etc. Of course $35k was a pretty solid price in '78.

From my extensive research (Google), I surmised that John Henry was gelded as a 2yo before he ever raced.

They fine you in CA $1000 nowadays for failing to report your horse as a gelding.

Hard to believe that he was unable to show his true ability while being ridden by David Copling and Alonzo Guajardo.

Yeah ... it seems like the consensus from Google is that he was gelded before he ever raced. That was clearly not the case though.

Debut form from Jefferson Downs race:




Chart:




I would guess all of the bios and write-ups on him are wrong - and that he was actually gelded right around the time he made that gigantic form reversal in New York.

Doug, you would have liked Jefferson Downs. It was a bullring located in the New Orleans suburb of Kenner. Purses were awful. A real classy joint. The track couldn't afford a bugler, so instead, a recording of Camptown Races was played over the PA system between races.

Sounds a lot like Erie's old Commodore Downs.

They do things differently in Louisiana, trust me.

He was probably a gelding all along.

You could ask Empire Arab. She'd know.

If that is the case - it really makes you wonder where the gigantic form reversal came from. He was a total slug at FG all winter.

His turf debut was insanely huge. Winning by 15 lengths going 8.5f on firm turf is like winning by 30 lengths going 8.5f on dirt. You can get some big margins in turf races when the ground is yielding or soft... but rarely when firm.

I think 15 lengths at 8.5f on turf is either 31 or 32 Beyer points. Considering the firm ground - and looking over the 9 other rivals - you'd have to project John Henry's figure to be 110 range in that turf claiming race. Maybe even as high as 112 or 113 ... an insane figure for a mid season 3yo in a claiming turf race.

6th place was beaten 23.5 lengths in a 10 horse field!

Gotta think it was the switch to grass that turned him around. While the turf debut looks anomalous, it should be pointed out that the race was restricted to 3yos and likely also the turf debuts of several of the other entrants. I think those things might have contributed to the lopsided manner of victory, too.

Was there a trainer switch from FG to NY? Whoever was at the helm in Louisiana was really running the horse through the ringer despite the obvious drop off in form (note his exponentially-increasing losses to Cabrini Green late in the 2yo year).

Most of them were trying turf for the first time. The 2nd place finisher Continental Cousin was 3rd by 6.5 lengths in a turf alw race at Hialeah to the strong turf champion Mac Diarmada a few months prior.

Adjusted for inflation - you'd think a 35K 3yo CLM turf route in '78 - would be equal to a 50K 3yo turf claimer now. Typically, such a race in June is won with a figure in the 78-to-80 range. Assuming the 2nd place finisher ran to the lower end of par ... 78 + 32 = 110. The 2nd place finisher was 2nd at the same class level in each of his next two starts.

It was the only turf race of the day - so there isn't much else to work with. Obviously the grass moved up John Henry a ton. A 110 wins the Breeders Cup Mile some years... though, I'm certainly not a big figure guy when it comes to turf racing.

You did have a couple trainer changes after the FG debacle ... but I just can't believe that the DRF could have John Henry down as a colt for the first 19 races of his career ... if he was a gelding all along from the start. Even two major circuits outside of Louisiana - Keeneland and NYRA - had him as a colt for one and two races there.

John Henry did okay as a 2yo, even winning a stakes at the old EvD. Things fell apart when he went to FG because, according to his trainer at the time, he hated the surface. At the end of the FG meet, he was sold, so he had a new trainer and owner when he ran at Keeneland. He had another new trainer, and I believe another new owner, when he first ran in NY.

The "hated the surface" stuff is often bogus and basically a trainers excuse when they can't find a better excuse.

It's valid when a horse tries a new form of surface - but something was obviously in play other than John Henry not liking the type of dirt on FG's track. His last race at FG and first at KEE seemed to be a very indentical type of performance.

He seemed to turn around greatly in that time frame between April 11th and May 21st.

Here's the video of his turf debut win:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDoabBz_JhM

His jockey wasn't exactly riding him with great confidence.

In the late 1970s, a 2yo coming from JD/EvD with stakes credentials would be competitive in the sprint allowances and sometimes the sprint stakes early in a FG meet. John Henry bombed in a November sprint stakes at FG, performed okay in two December allowance sprints there, then bombed again in the Sugar Bowl. Things weren't much better in his first tries around two turns.

John Henry's first trainer, Phil Marino, probably was interested mainly in winning juvenile stakes at JD and EvD with John Henry and trained him accordingly. You had to have some early zip to win at 4-1/2 and 5fs at those bullrings. That was obviously not John Henry's style, so perhaps at some point he stopped responding to Marino's training regimen and his form really soured. Maybe he just needed a new trainer and a different surface.

Steve Haskin wrote a fairly-detailed book about John Henry, so it might be worth it to ask him what he thinks turned John Henry around.