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jms62 03-13-2011 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 760493)
Repole is just a character, comparing him to IEAH is fn stupid. If you like his personna or not racing could use 20 more Repole type owners. The world needs to be devoid of IEAH vermin, they have no place on this earth nevermind racing.

I never compared him to IEAH, I stated now have someone I dislike more. No comparison made at all. I don't like him because he is gutless for running Uncle Mo in the Timely Writer.

Merlinsky 03-13-2011 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 760511)
I never compared him to IEAH, I stated now have someone I dislike more. No comparison made at all. I don't like him because he is gutless for running Uncle Mo in the Timely Writer.

Disliking him more than anybody else requires a comparison of some sort. I really think your priorities are a little off on who you dislike and why. He's not the only one pulling that stuff. Jackson did it last year with Rachel. I'm gonna need something besides the Timely Writer situation as evidence of scum-like behavior on Repole's part.

Gulfstream could've said no. I don't like what they did, and that situation was discussed on ATR so I won't go on about it, but it's hardly comparable to IEAH. By all means, run off an owner who's got lots of money, enthusiasm for horse racing, and has been dreaming of owning a horse like this since he was a child. It's not gutless if he thinks his horse can beat anybody out there, and I genuinely think he does. Feel free to say it's unwise considering what can happen in the Derby, even to the best, without enough seasoning, but gutless?

Do you have any issues with Peachtree after the attempted/failed shenanigans with Flashpoint and the Swale? If I'm ranking ridiculous behavior, that was kind of worse than the creation of the Timely Writer.

freddymo 03-13-2011 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 760511)
I never compared him to IEAH, I stated now have someone I dislike more. No comparison made at all. I don't like him because he is gutless for running Uncle Mo in the Timely Writer.

Why the TB Derby is now the be all of Derby preps. Plus didn't TAP have the odds on fav in the race for another of his huge clients? You think he wanted the two to compete in March? Maybe there are some concerns about Uncle MO, perhaps Repole's neice isn't telling everybody, save DrugS, all the specifics?

jms62 03-13-2011 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Merlinsky (Post 760522)
Disliking him more than anybody else requires a comparison of some sort. I really think your priorities are a little off on who you dislike and why..

Maybe in your mind it does but not mine.

The Indomitable DrugS 03-13-2011 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 760523)
Maybe there are some concerns about Uncle MO, perhaps Repole's neice isn't telling everybody, save DrugS, all the specifics?

Why shouldn't there be some concern?

Everything in the Pletcher barn gets hurt or falls apart... he can't even keep them together for a full season on laughably easy schedules.

If he trained war horses like Equipoise, Assault, and Stymie - those horses bodies would fall apart quickly in his program. No equine is tough enough to withstand being in that barn.

paulo537 03-13-2011 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 760511)
I never compared him to IEAH, I stated now have someone I dislike more. No comparison made at all. I don't like him because he is gutless for running Uncle Mo in the Timely Writer.

Gutless guys usually don't sell compnies they started
for half a billion dollars.

Maybe he got soft in his old age?

JJP 03-13-2011 07:43 PM

Perfect trip setups where you run your final quarter faster than your first quarter do little to give a 3YO the seasoning to get toughened up for the Triple Crown races.

Uncle Mo is a SELL

freddymo 03-13-2011 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by JJP (Post 760562)
Perfect trip setups where you run your final quarter faster than your first quarter do little to give a 3YO the seasoning to get toughened up for the Triple Crown races.

Uncle Mo is a SELL

Agreed but who is so toughened up that is going to beat him?

JJP 03-13-2011 07:52 PM

How about Dialed In who was back in last in a TOTALLY paceless race. He ran a solid race to get 2nd under those circumstances.

Indian Charlie 03-13-2011 07:56 PM

Gawd, people are friggin dumb

freddymo 03-13-2011 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by JJP (Post 760564)
How about Dialed In who was back in last in a TOTALLY paceless race. He ran a solid race to get 2nd under those circumstances.

Where is his race that is fast enough to win a typical Derby. Assuming Mo doesnt make the race its wide open but save that possiblity he is light years ahead of this group. He has been around two turns and has run very fast, now take into account he is relaxed enough to dwell for a half a mile and then sprint off suggests to me at least some quality.

DrugS is all hot in the panties about Machen(be it 70/1) because in his second start he was able blister a final panel in 24 after following the herd for 3/4's in 1.15ish.

The Indomitable DrugS 03-13-2011 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by JJP (Post 760564)
How about Dialed In who was back in last in a TOTALLY paceless race. He ran a solid race to get 2nd under those circumstances.

Yes - it was very impressive how Dialed In was able to outfinish 3rd place finisher Valerius ... even though Valerius was head and head with him the whole way for about the first 7fs.

freddymo 03-13-2011 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 760567)
Yes - it was very impressive how Dialed In was able to outfinish 3rd place finisher Valerius ... even though Valerius was head and head with him the whole way for about the first 7fs.

Isnt the issue with Dialed In as is many of the pretenders can Zito get him to go forward in the next 60 days. If they stay sound, get the right cocktails, and train forward at least 7 would have a decent shot. Why Machen at 70/1 instead of Comma at 80/1?

The Indomitable DrugS 03-13-2011 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 760566)
DrugS is all hot in the panties about Machen(be it 70/1) because in his second start he was able blister a final panel in 24 after following the herd for 3/4's in 1.15ish.

I didn't like anything about Machen's second start.

Machen won his debut while up very close to the pace going 6fs - he got a very fast number... 94 Beyer with a sweeping 4-wide far turn move. Thoro-Graph actually has that race faster than any of Uncle Mo's races.

So, what does Neil Howard do next? He tries to transform this horse into a deep closing router ... Freddy, Machen has attempted to close into the teeth of two BRUTALLY slow paced route races in his two most recent attempts.

When Dialed In runs 2nd closing - finishing ahead of true dog biscuits - against a very slow pace... people are pissing themselves about how great he ran.

When Machen attempts to rally wide into painfully slow fractions - and fails - it's like 'oh, he really sucks' I picked Mucho Macho Man to win that race and gave Machen little chance. His defeat did nothing but clear the tards off his bandwagon.

The Indomitable DrugS 03-13-2011 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 760568)
Isnt the issue with Dialed In as is many of the pretenders can Zito get him to go forward in the next 60 days. If they stay sound, get the right cocktails, and train forward at least 7 would have a decent shot. Why Machen at 70/1 instead of Comma at 80/1?

I wouldn't touch Comma in a future book right now because he might be taken off of the Derby Trail after his last two placings.

Linny 03-13-2011 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 760528)
Why shouldn't there be some concern?

Everything in the Pletcher barn gets hurt or falls apart... he can't even keep them together for a full season on laughably easy schedules.

If he trained war horses like Equipoise, Assault, and Stymie - those horses bodies would fall apart quickly in his program. No equine is tough enough to withstand being in that barn.

He may train them too light and the effort of the race is too much. Also most of today horses have a pre-race vet bill that would choke a rhino. It takes a week to get them back to galloping while horses of old were back out at the races in 5-7 days, even the really good ones.

Stymie and Assault and the like wouldn't have ever gotten tough enough under his program to be "who they were." Also, common today is the "Saturday horses breeze on Sunday" routine. Look up the worktabs of most of TAP's stakes horses, they work either sat or Sun with almost no deviation. There is no individualized program of "this horse does well with a breeze 8 days out and a sharpener at 2f two days before..."
When TVG started the show "The Works" leading to the Derby is was Sunday-Thursday. Now most of the final pre- Derby works are done by Monday of Derby week. many are done by Saturday prior.

JJP 03-13-2011 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 760565)
Gawd, people are friggin dumb

Talking 'bout yourself again?

Indian Charlie 03-14-2011 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 760565)
Gawd, people are friggin dumb

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Originally Posted by JJP (Post 760572)
Talking 'bout yourself again?

I wasn't actually referring to you specifically with my previous post, but after going back to see why you reacted that way to my post, it's clear how you would think that my post was aimed directly at you.

HaloWishingwell 03-14-2011 02:55 PM

I put in 50 cents on the nice horseys to watch them go up and down. That Uncle Mo is a meany

Gin talking 03-15-2011 04:11 PM

I have read a few stories about how Uncle Mo and specifically Repole are hoping to help racing with a star like Uncle Mo. Well running him twice before the derby and probably retiring him at the end of the year does not help racing at all. Run you horse..

Danzig 03-15-2011 07:14 PM

altho i wish uncle mo wasn't being handled with such kid gloves, i certainly don't hold it against repole. this sport needs more owners; this guy seems to love the sport, and doesn't mind spending money. he just bought a couple horses at obs. we need him and more like him. owners first, work on more starts next.

OldDog 03-16-2011 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 760493)
Repole is just a character, comparing him to IEAH is fn stupid. If you like his personna or not racing could use 20 more Repole type owners.

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Originally Posted by Gin talking (Post 760918)
I have read a few stories about how Uncle Mo and specifically Repole are hoping to help racing with a star like Uncle Mo. Well running him twice before the derby and probably retiring him at the end of the year does not help racing at all. Run you horse..

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 760953)
altho i wish uncle mo wasn't being handled with such kid gloves, i certainly don't hold it against repole. this sport needs more owners; this guy seems to love the sport, and doesn't mind spending money. he just bought a couple horses at obs. we need him and more like him. owners first, work on more starts next.

Reading here and elsewhere about Mike Repole has made me wonder . . . Let's say for a moment that Mo is the next great horse, that he wins the Derby, and the Preakness, and maybe even the Triple Crown. Given the lauding about Repole's enthusiasm and what I've interpreted as his desire to boost the sport, what does Uncle Mo do for the rest of 2011? Would he campaign him aggressively? In the alternative, if Mo wins "only" one or two of the TC races, and races well through the end of the year and finishes sound, what are the chances that Mo comes back to race as a 4YO?

Partially answering my own first question, I am thinking of Repole repeatedly pointing Uncle Mo to the Wood Memorial for his last Derby prep race, but now backpeddling and saying that he may stay in Florida for the Florida Derby, saying, "It's up to Todd (Pletcher)."

After typing this ^^^^ I've slapped myself back to reality, knowing what Mo would have to achieve to even make my questions relevant. Here's to hoping that Uncle Mo comes up deserving of all the hype, and that then we get to see how Repole responds.

Thunder Gulch 03-16-2011 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 760570)
I wouldn't touch Comma in a future book right now because he might be taken off of the Derby Trail after his last two placings.

I don't think Comma will stay, but he kept going after dueling ridiculous fractions last week when the other pace horses were looking for a lake to jump into.

Indian Charlie 03-16-2011 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by OldDog (Post 761008)
Reading here and elsewhere about Mike Repole has made me wonder . . . Let's say for a moment that Mo is the next great horse, that he wins the Derby, and the Preakness, and maybe even the Triple Crown. Given the lauding about Repole's enthusiasm and what I've interpreted as his desire to boost the sport, what does Uncle Mo do for the rest of 2011? Would he campaign him aggressively? In the alternative, if Mo wins "only" one or two of the TC races, and races well through the end of the year and finishes sound, what are the chances that Mo comes back to race as a 4YO?

Partially answering my own first question, I am thinking of Repole repeatedly pointing Uncle Mo to the Wood Memorial for his last Derby prep race, but now backpeddling and saying that he may stay in Florida for the Florida Derby, saying, "It's up to Todd (Pletcher)."

After typing this ^^^^ I've slapped myself back to reality, knowing what Mo would have to achieve to even make my questions relevant. Here's to hoping that Uncle Mo comes up deserving of all the hype, and that then we get to see how Repole responds.

Repole said he'd like to keep him running for as long as he is sound and doing well. Who knows though.

As for the type of campaign? I'd run him in the Vanity and Santa Margarita the next 3 years.

pointman 03-16-2011 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 761021)
Repole said he'd like to keep him running for as long as he is sound and doing well. Who knows though.

As for the type of campaign? I'd run him in the Vanity and Santa Margarita the next 3 years.

Mere mortal horses could never take on such a gruelling schedule.

Indian Charlie 03-16-2011 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 761021)
As for the type of campaign? I'd run him in the Vanity and Santa Margarita the next 3 years.

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Originally Posted by pointman (Post 761023)
Mere mortal horses could never take on such a gruelling schedule.

Thus proving his alltime greatness!

TouchOfGrey 03-16-2011 04:17 PM

Steve Crist weighs in.

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A ballyhooed undefeated 2-year-old champion makes his first start as a 3-year-old and posts the lowest speed figure of his career on the same card where Grade 2 older horses run the same distance 7 or 8 lengths faster. Cause for concern?

The Indomitable DrugS 03-16-2011 04:23 PM

Instead of having to write all that - if Crist had the fancy NFL Draft Combine video technology ... he could have just superimposed Uncle Mo into Tackleberry's race.

Indian Charlie 03-16-2011 04:34 PM

I said it before his BCJ win, and thought it was obvious to everyone after the race, but how did people not notice that UM runs easily, relaxed and does exactly what the jockey wants?

Of course he could relax early and finish strongly! He'd already done that in his previous starts!

Pace in the Derby simply will not matter to UM.

The Indomitable DrugS 03-16-2011 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 761088)
how did people not notice that UM runs easily, relaxed and does exactly what the jockey wants?

Of course he could relax early and finish strongly! He'd already done that in his previous starts!

It's one thing to relax early and finish strongly when you have no target in front of you - and no dirt is being kicked in your face.

Until he proves he can do the same - from off the pace - while taking dirt in his eyes and nose ... he's still nothing more than a tactically gifted speed horse/stalker.

A lot of plodders and deep closers don't even react well the first time they take dirt kick-back. Look at Jaycito - and Royal Delta had a meltdown at Tampa over the weekend around the 1st turn.

Indian Charlie 03-16-2011 05:20 PM

Uh huh.

RockHardTen1985 03-17-2011 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 760354)
He might still get a route of ground. What I was getting at was that he might have run a "Summer Bird in the Haskell"-type race today.

As far as his stakes potential, I'm not sure if his maiden win was highly rated or not.

The actual race he ran was very similar to Dialed In's maiden score.

JJP 04-03-2011 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 760567)
Yes - it was very impressive how Dialed In was able to outfinish 3rd place finisher Valerius ... even though Valerius was head and head with him the whole way for about the first 7fs.

He was a length behind Valerius after 6f then outfinished him by 4 solid lengths. Given the pace scenario in that race he had ZERO chance to beat his older stablemate. This race WAS solid and he proved it today.

OldDog 04-08-2011 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by OldDog (Post 761008)
Reading here and elsewhere about Mike Repole has made me wonder . . . Let's say for a moment that Mo is the next great horse, that he wins the Derby, and the Preakness, and maybe even the Triple Crown. Given the lauding about Repole's enthusiasm and what I've interpreted as his desire to boost the sport, what does Uncle Mo do for the rest of 2011? Would he campaign him aggressively? In the alternative, if Mo wins "only" one or two of the TC races, and races well through the end of the year and finishes sound, what are the chances that Mo comes back to race as a 4YO?

Answer to my question (why haven't I seen this before now):

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That's why he has already announced that if Uncle Mo stays healthy he will race next year as a 4-year-old. Repole, a very rich guy, gets it that the many millions that Uncle Mo could put in his pocket the minute he stops being a race horse and becomes a sire won't change his life one bit. He'd much rather enjoy watching the horse race and treating the racing fan to at least one more year of watching this potential superstar on the racetrack.
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/hor...ill&id=6301023
:tro:

slotdirt 04-08-2011 09:15 AM

I really don't get how folks don't warm to Repole. He's like the anti-Iavarone.

Indian Charlie 04-08-2011 09:24 AM

Petty jealousies.

Duh.

Revidere 04-08-2011 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by pointman (Post 761023)
Mere mortal horses could never take on such a gruelling schedule.

Those races are too close for Pletcher.

King Glorious 04-11-2011 07:17 AM

I still wonder why year after year, we're told how so and so is rich and doesn't need the money and is in it for the sport......only to see their horse retired at the end of the year or at the slightest hint of frailty?

johnny pinwheel 04-11-2011 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 760450)
This is precious stuff, it's better then drinking, this guy could save my liver untold damage.

yup, a bunch of us called the race a farce ....a joke,.......proved nothing....we all look pretty stupid today,,.....lol

slotdirt 04-11-2011 09:12 AM

I must have missed the Uncle Mo retirement press release. Just brilliant criticizing the bazillionaire who's new to the racing game and looking to spend dough. From reading some comments here, you'd think Repole is some combination of Mike Gill and Mr. Burns or something.


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