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Riot 03-07-2011 05:08 PM
Even Rep. King is walking back this crap
 
This is only about 1/3 of this article:

Quote:
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plu...he_cant_s.html
The Plum Line
Posted at 1:05 PM ET, 03/ 7/2011

Pete King admission undermines his own case for anti-Muslim hearings
By Adam Serwer

Is Pete King backing away from his own stated reasons for holding hearings on Muslim radicalization this week?

On CNN this weekend, King seemed to quietly do just that, making an interesting admission in an exchange with Dem Rep. Keith Ellison. They were debating King's decision to focus his hearings solely on Muslims, and King's argument contained a telling walkback:

"We're talking about al Qaeda," King said. "There's been self radicalization going on within the Muslim community, within a very small minority, but it's there and that's where the threat is coming from at this time."

On the eve of his own hearings, King is finally acknowledging that only a "very small minority" of Muslims actually pose a danger to the U.S. But this statement is exactly the opposite of what King has been saying all along.

Recall that King first justified holding these hearings on the basis of a fabricated statistic that "80 percent" of American mosques are radicalized, and that "the Muslim community does not cooperate [with authorities] anywhere near to the extent that it should."

In 2007, he called American Muslims "an enemy living amongst us." Now he's saying it's "a very small minority" that he's worried about.

Robert Costa obtained the list of witnesses for King's hearings, and, tellingly, King isn't calling anyone who will be able to corroborate his years of outrageous allegations, or even the argument he gave for holding the hearings in the first place:

National Review Online has obtained the list of witnesses set to appear at Rep. Peter King's hearings on radicalization within the American Muslim community: Abdirizak Bihi, the brother of Burhan Hassan's mother; Melvin Bledsoe, the father of Carlos Bledsoe (Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad); Dr. Zuhdi Jasser, an Arizona physician and military veteran; Lee Baca, the sheriff of Los Angeles County; Rep. Keith Ellison (D., Minn.); Rep. Frank Wolf (R., Va.).

Riot 03-07-2011 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 759144)
you are certifiable.

I'm done with this topic when it involves you. you have zero objectivity.
I am all for objectivity. You've never been able to post any verifiable origin for that number. Please, do.

Riot 03-07-2011 05:14 PM
Al Qaeda:

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Al Qaeda Field operatives

The number of individuals in the organization who have undergone proper military training, and are capable of commanding insurgent forces, is largely unknown. In 2006, it was estimated that al-Qaeda had several thousand commanders embedded in 40 different countries.[29] As of 2009, it was believed that no more than 200–300 members were still active commanders.[30]

According to the award-winning 2004 BBC documentary The Power of Nightmares, al-Qaeda was so weakly linked together that it was hard to say it existed apart from bin Laden and a small clique of close associates. The lack of any significant numbers of convicted al-Qaeda members, despite a large number of arrests on terrorism charges, was cited by the documentary as a reason to doubt whether a widespread entity that met the description of al-Qaeda existed.[31]
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6-27-10
WASHINGTON -- CIA Director Leon Panetta said on Sunday there may be fewer than 50 al-Qaida fighters in Afghanistan, with "no question" that most of the terrorist network is operating from the western tribal region of Pakistan.

Asked by ABC's Jake Tapper to estimate the number of al Qaeda terrorists in Afghanistan, Panetta said, "I think the estimate on the number of Al Qaeda is actually relatively small. At most, we're looking at 50 to 100, maybe less. It's in that vicinity."

Panetta told ABCs' "This Week" that the CIA is heavily focused on killing the al Qaida leadership in Pakistan, and he defended CIA drone strikes against "dead wrong" claims that they violate international law. He said Osama bin Laden is hiding amid the region's rough terrain with "tremendous security around him."
Al-Qaeda in Iraq: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Qaeda_in_Iraq

SCUDSBROTHER 03-07-2011 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 759133)
How dare you call 'Zig a bitch. Where do you get off thinking you have any right to attack her because she doesn't buy your racist crapshit?

No, Scuds, because I'm not a loser, ignorant, racist jackass, living in a fantasy world of hate, like yourself.
Bitch, I bolded your name. Instead of writing about the subject at hand, you would rather distract us, accuse us, and generally try to make those hearings be about non-Muslims.

Coach Pants 03-07-2011 05:45 PM
Riot ducks and dodges like a fat kid playing kick ball.

SCUDSBROTHER 03-07-2011 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by SOREHOOF (Post 759137)
Believing Politically Correct crap will get you killed. Ask the people at Fort Hood.
Muslim's killing non-Muslims is very low priority for her. She can't see the "infatuation" with it. It's not like she's ever been torn up about it.

dellinger63 03-07-2011 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 759147)
Al Qaeda:

6-27-10
WASHINGTON -- CIA Director Leon Panetta said on Sunday there may be fewer than 50 al-Qaida fighters in Afghanistan, with "no question" that most of the terrorist network is operating from the western tribal region of Pakistan.

Asked by ABC's Jake Tapper to estimate the number of al Qaeda terrorists in Afghanistan, Panetta said, "I think the estimate on the number of Al Qaeda is actually relatively small. At most, we're looking at 50 to 100, maybe less. It's in that vicinity."

Panetta told ABCs' "This Week" that the CIA is heavily focused on killing the al Qaida leadership in Pakistan, and he defended CIA drone strikes against "dead wrong" claims that they violate international law. He said Osama bin Laden is hiding amid the region's rough terrain with "tremendous security around him."
499 US Troops Dead last year fighting 50? Sickening! Obama's war. :eek:

http://icasualties.org/oef/

Riot 03-07-2011 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER (Post 759149)
Bitch, I bolded your name. Instead of writing about the subject at hand, you would rather distract us, accuse us, and generally try to make those hearings be about non-Muslims.
Naw. Those hearings are all about pandering to the base. The racist, bigot, I-hate-Muslim base. You're just standing up to be counted.

Riot 03-07-2011 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER (Post 759168)
Muslim's killing non-Muslims is very low priority for her. She can't see the "infatuation" with it. It's not like she's ever been torn up about it.
Too bad making false crap up about others by pulling it out of your ass still doesn't justify your being a Muslim-hating bigot. Keep trying. Only you see the one true light, in your imagination. Keep trying to justify your hate.

Riot 03-07-2011 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 759181)
499 US Troops Dead last year fighting 50? Sickening! Obama's war. :eek:

http://icasualties.org/oef/
Wow. That's a completely ignorant, superficial statement. You expect someone to buy that?

dellinger63 03-07-2011 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 759192)
Wow. That's a completely ignorant, superficial statement. You expect someone to buy that?
You posted the Panetta quote, I didn't realize you meant it sarcastically

Al Qaeda is just a minority within the muslims who hate us.

Riot 03-07-2011 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 759197)
You posted the Panetta quote, I didn't realize you meant it sarcastically
It's your attempt to conflate Taliban, Al Qaeda, and Afghani's that's the problem.

dellinger63 03-07-2011 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 759199)
It's your attempt to conflate Taliban, Al Qaeda, and Afghani's that's the problem.

It's my attempt to connect the dots....

IMO Your ignorance towards muslims is akin to christians playing with poisonous snakes. Then again you are in KY.

Cannon Shell 03-07-2011 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 759128)
Repeatedly quoting that pulled-from-thin-air number doesn't help your case.

Yes - there are only a couple hundred, or less, of Al Quaeda left.
http://afpak.foreignpolicy.com/posts..._al_qaeda_have

Danzig 03-08-2011 06:25 AM
good to know it's a small minority. and yes, i'm giving the pols benefit of the doubt in thinking their hearings make sense. if it turns out to be what hi im god says, then shame on them. i just don't think political correctness should keep us from taking legitimate steps to solve a problem before it becomes a large one. we don't engage in witch hunts, but we can't put our heads in the sand either.

SCUDSBROTHER 03-08-2011 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 759242)
good to know it's a small minority. and yes, i'm giving the pols benefit of the doubt in thinking their hearings make sense. if it turns out to be what hi im god says, then shame on them. i just don't think political correctness should keep us from taking legitimate steps to solve a problem before it becomes a large one. we don't engage in witch hunts, but we can't put our heads in the sand either.
LOL...You wouldn't be calling it a small problem if that guy in Portland had been able to do what he wanted to the people at that Christmas tree lighting. We aren't always gunna be able to stop them. Many more innocent people are gunna have to die before we actually get serious with these people. We haven't been hurt enough yet. I guarantee you there will come a day when people won't think these hearings are overkill. Riot will look even more like an idiot than she does. She'll still be saying it's about race. Meanwhile, plenty of Filipino Muslims are just as bloodthirsty as any other race of Muslims. Mindinao is as fkd up as any other area they decide to try to dominate.

Riot 03-08-2011 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER (Post 759254)
LOL...You wouldn't be calling it a small problem if that guy in Portland had been able to do what he wanted to the people at that Christmas tree lighting. We aren't always gunna be able to stop them. Many more innocent people are gunna have to die before we actually get serious with these people. We haven't been hurt enough yet. I guarantee you there will come a day when people won't think these hearings are overkill. Riot will look even more like an idiot than she does. She'll still be saying it's about race. Meanwhile, plenty of Filipino Muslims are just as bloodthirsty as any other race of Muslims. Mindinao is as fkd up as any other area they decide to try to dominate.
No, I'll never look like an idiot for not following your example of being a racist.

I'll stick to being all-in against terrorists, thanks. While you go off being a fool, hating a religion.

somerfrost 03-08-2011 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 759363)
No, I'll never look like an idiot for not following your example of being a racist.

I'll stick to being all-in against terrorists, thanks. While you go off being a fool, hating a religion.
I realize you were addressing Scuds with this post but I think that the reality of the situation is that "radical Islam" is a danger and I think it prudent to look at attempts by these few to influence others. It really comes down to how these hearings are handled, hopefully they won't become an attack on the vast majority of loyal Americans who practice Islam and are peaceful. The bastardation of Islam must be the focus, not the religion itself.

Riot 03-08-2011 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by somerfrost (Post 759385)
I realize you were addressing Scuds with this post but I think that the reality of the situation is that "radical Islam" is a danger and I think it prudent to look at attempts by these few to influence others. It really comes down to how these hearings are handled, hopefully they won't become an attack on the vast majority of loyal Americans who practice Islam and are peaceful. The bastardation of Islam must be the focus, not the religion itself.
I agree. Radical Islam is a danger and concern. We should put all necessary resources to it. Muslims, however, are not.

Do you have any idea what you expect to see in these hearings? Seriously: we already have CIA, FBI, terrorist speciality groups, special ops groups, etc. that have spent 10+ years investigating and profiling radicals in the US. We've caught 80, 40 turned in by their Muslim relatives (and I am trying to find where I read that yesterday to reference it properly ... )

I'm very serious here: what in the world do you think could possibly be the unique or useful information that could come forth from this public C-Span 2 Islamophobiafest? Especially considering who King has invited to speak?

Here's what we will learn:
1. Many people fear Muslims and terrorists.
2. Some American's child became radicalized. It was awful.
3. The American Muslim community should help us find radicalized terrorists in this country.
4. King will markedly tone down his anti-Muslim rhetoric for the TV cameras.


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