That's for sure.

However, this crop could very well be much stronger than 2007, which I'm sure is not what you meant.

There are quite a few more interesting ones with three starts too.

I do disagree with Cal Nation. While he might be a really nice horse, I'm not convinced of that off his debut.

Now, that's kind of retarded.

A lot of times they only appeared to suck because the older male division was actually strong and deep.

Curlin, Street Sense, and Hard Spun wouldn't have looked very good to a lot of people if Ghostzapper, Mineshaft, Congaree, Medgalia D' Oro, Pleasantly Perfect, Roses In May etc are all going strong in the handicap division.

I think you are making my point for me.

The 2007 3yos were insanely overrated, in large part to what you say above.

As to those really good older horses you mention, those were all 3yos from nearly 10 years ago.

lets talk sharp humor

3-year-old crops since 2000:

2010: pure dogsh!t

2009: A 3yo filly was open lengths superior to everything

2008: Big Brown and a bunch of dogsh!t

2007: Solid crop - not as talented at the top as '06, but much deeper.

2006: Bernardini, Discreet Cat, Barbaro - no depth though

2005: Afleet Alex, Bellamy Road - and a lot of junk

2004: solid crop - but the older males were friggen strong.

2003: Very solid crop - but the older males were friggen strong

2002: War Emblem, Medaglia D' Oro, Came Home - avg depth

2001: VERY strong wildly underrated crop going into the Kentucky Derby - injuries took a big toll. Almost everything got hurt before year end.

2000: Awesome crop. VERY talented and easily the deepest of all since.

I put his son Glint on as kind of a joke - and no one called me out ... though, he could be ok.

John Shireffs big 3yo this year - Mr. Commons isn't a bad 3 total starts horse. On dirt - he went 3/5ths faster than Evening Jewel's race last out. He's by Artie Schiller though - and looked great on turf.

Exactly my point(s).

This crop, potentially (since everyone is so lightly raced), has both significant talent and depth.

You really need to go back 11 years, to 2001, to find a really good group.

I think it's absolute crazyness to keep crap for three years. H*ll man, flush already. What?.....oh.......nevermind.

A lot of them will inevitably get hurt or won't live up to that potential.

There's a reason why everyone is so deathly affraid to run their horses and campaign them like they're true race horses.

how many tc races will uncle moe run in.

Over 1.5 (+200)
Under 1.5 (-240)

Odds courtesy of DrugSFair.com

It's unfair for you to make a market since you have inside information from your Facebook lover.

Maybe I'm just in a piss poor mood today, but I'm not as excited as many of you seem to be. Especially considering no one seems to want to race each other. I just don't get as excited about flashy maiden wins like I used to.

Yeah, most of the crops recently have sucked but you could have picked 10 exciting maiden or allowance winners most of those years in March and speculated about what they could have been. They never end up being anything.

Save Curlin

Smash will be lucky to make 3 starts this year for numerous reasons. I'll give you the other ones, but need to see something more than a quick maiden win before I get excited.

Not even close imo.

Maybe 3 or 4 tops - and they will almost always have sprint pedigrees like Eightyfiveinafifty - even Big Brown had a sprint pedigree.

Since Curlin's big Jan maiden win - how many promising 3yo's with two races or less and distance friendly pedigrees have we seen?

Eddington?

Every year Pletcher has a few big maiden or comeback allowance winners at Gulfstream like Dunkirk. Same goes for Baffert out west. I'm too lazy to go back and look but you know that's true.

Mr soffeles

i think it's a shame that it's march and horses haven't made their 3 yo debut. but they're supposed to be the top of the crop? based on what? works? a sad state of affairs.

Point taken, but that's a bit hard on Flower Alley wouldn't you say? He was a good 3yo.

That was a lot of chemical influence

If a list had been posted before last weekend's races, Travelin Man would have been near the top of everyone's lists. Just goes to show that you can't get too hyped over potential when it's all maidens and nw1x races.

I think it's all about Uncle Mo. Not a single other 3yo gets me excited in this crop. I too with Kantharos had been able to stick around.

Also, I think for 2007, you've got to include Rags to Riches as one of the top 3yos, considering how she ran stride for stride with Curlin and beat him in the Belmont.

I wouldn't even have included Travelin Man in my top 10 most interesting 3yo prospects list, had I ever wanted to waste my time to compile one.

As for Rags, hell, she could have won the triple crown in some of these recent years, but I was referring strictly to males in my remarks about the last 10 crops.

And you really aren't at least intrigued by Bind?

What about the prospects of an Affirmed and Alydar like triple crown between Uncle Mo and Anthony's Cross?!

I'm not intrigued by any horse anymore that does it only against maidens. Interested to an extent to see what they can do against winners and then against stakes horses but not overly interested.

I'm going to have to talk to Byk about having you banned for mentioning Anthony's Cross in the same post as Uncle Mo in as far as a rivalry.

Dude, think of it!

It wouldn't be a rivalry, it would be an exacta, three times! I wonder if there's ever been a 1-2 finisher in any triple crown race that was sired by the same stallion.

I don't even know who the stallion is so you lost me.

I don't know whether to thank you for giving me such an easy setup, or to scold you for being moronic.

I mean that with the utmost civility in mind.

Chose either course you want. I don't get into breeding. I prefer watching them race and judging them on their own ability, not on anything their mom or dad could or couldn't do. I'm not knocking anyone that is into that part of the game but it does nothing for me.

I'm going to guess the sire is Indian Charlie. I remember that horse. Loved him as a runner. Made money on him in the SA Derby and he was my choice for the Kentucky Derby as well. I just don't care anything about the horses once they retire.

Hope people caught WILBURN on this go 'round. You won't be seeing 7-2 again any time soon... Wow.

I think I said this in another thread, but he took late money and so I figured he'd be the goods; I just didn't figure that he'd run like THAT, lol. I know they think of this guy as a two turn horse (granted, the quote was from last year after the sales), so it will be fun to follow him.

YAY Bernardini!!!!!

Mikey Smith Yay!!!!!!!

yeah, they are so good they need "special" allowance races in march when theres numerous prep races......there has not been a good crop in 4 years and these horses probably have holes in them if they can't run in a regular race by now or they are not that good. heres a hint....if you can't run in open competition....what are you afraid of? you can't be that good if your afraid of the conditions or the competition......either these horses are weak....which i think they are...or the connections are just turning into chicken shits.......it may be a little of both....in either case anyone that says the game has not been reduced.....yet again......is nuts....the derby trail is turning into a joke...forget turning......it is a joke, i'm waiting for the ......"were going to break our maiden at saratoga....run a prep at (allowance race) GP in march and go to the derby".......great news for racing.