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Nascar1966 02-14-2011 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 752205)
There's one. What are the other 8 million doing?

I've no doubt there is the rare abuse. The acts of one don't reflect the acts of millions**

(**unless you are a Muslim, I guess)

Did I say everyone was doing it that way? Put words into my mouth. You like to do it to other people.

Riot 02-14-2011 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Nascar1966 (Post 752353)
Did I say everyone was doing it that way? Put words into my mouth. You like to do it to other people.

Did I say I was putting words into your mouth? Did I say not everyone was doing it that way?

:D

Riot 02-14-2011 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Crown@club (Post 752350)
I knew this was going to come up some time on here.

Ah. Violence.

Okay :rolleyes:

They were going to pelt him with shoes. That wouldn't have gone well.

Nascar1966 02-14-2011 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 752376)
Did I say I was putting words into your mouth? Did I say not everyone was doing it that way?

:D

Keep on crying wolf.

Riot 02-14-2011 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Nascar1966 (Post 752386)
Keep on crying wolf.

Did I say anything about a wolf? Did I say anything about crying? Did I say you should keep it?

dellinger63 02-14-2011 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 752164)
Seems like a good way to cut out some costs without impacting students in a significant way. Isn't that what we want government to do? Cut the wasteful spending?

This seems similar to the good move of eliminating banks as middlemen for student loans - banks were getting a check for mailing in paperwork to the government, then passing out the check to the student when the government approved. Big waste. Now the student can deal directly with the government. Good thing.


I agree. Hey it's Valentine's Day and I found common ground with you. LMAO

Tho NASCAR is 'a friend of ours'

GenuineRisk 02-15-2011 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Nascar1966 (Post 752157)
This is education we are talking about here. You dont think there are other programs that can be cut or eliminated? Yes I am in agreement with you that cuts do need to be made to reduce the deficit.

Defense.

GenuineRisk 02-15-2011 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Nascar1966 (Post 752183)
Bush should of been impeached if you ask me.

Who did you vote for in 2004?

jms62 02-15-2011 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by GenuineRisk (Post 752509)
Who did you vote for in 2004?

:tro:

GenuineRisk 02-15-2011 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Nascar1966 (Post 752178)
You might be right right. Consider this also some folks stay unemployed because they make more collecting unemployment.

No one makes more money collecting unemployment, as it's based on what the person earned before.

Even were a misanthropic statement like this true, and it's a popular meme in right-wing circles these days (if you take support away from the destitute they'll CHOOSE not to be destitute!), I would still support unemployment benefits, for the simple reason that it benefits me (no, I am not on unemployment). Unemployment benefits, like food stamps, are one of the most effective ways of pumping money into the economy. They work because they are immediately spent: on food, on rent, on gas, on car repairs. That money, taxed from corporations and given to those looking for work, goes back to private businesses in the form of money paid for necessities. It's a symbiotic relationship. We live in a consumption based economy. If people aren't purchasing things, our entire economy suffers. When the economy suffers, we all suffer, unless we are the super-wealthy who live off of investment income, and even then we eventually start to suffer, though not to the level the middle-class do.

Tax cuts to the wealthy do not benefit the economy in the same way, as they tend to invest the extra money (because they actually have extra money), rather than spend it to the degree that the unemployed spend their benefits. Unemployment benefits go, in their entirety, right back into the economy. Which is good for all of us.

The other reason for their existence is that they give people an opportunity to look for work in their field, rather than being economically forced to take the first job available. A technician with two kids who has to immediately take a job at Denny's washing dishes because he has no savings is a technician who is not available to go out on job interviews for openings in his field.

And that's the other thing with unemployment- you must, at any moment, be ready to show that you've been looking for work or your benefits will be cut.

I realize for the DTers who don't believe anything Rush and Beck told them to think, this post will be ignored, but I hope it was at least passably informative to the moderates. Very little media attention is given to the economic benefits of unemployment insurance, and they are, in fact, fairly substantial.

Nascar1966 02-15-2011 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by GenuineRisk (Post 752509)
Who did you vote for in 2004?

No one.

Nascar1966 02-15-2011 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 752511)
:tro:

Dont you have some toilets to clean?

Riot 02-15-2011 05:46 PM

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GenuineRisk: Who did you vote for in 2004?

Nascar: No one.
Can't fulfill your own constitutional responsibilities as a citizen, but you enjoy being one of the biggest, nastiest complainers about our government? You've just negated the value of any opinions you have.

Nascar1966 02-15-2011 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 752600)
Can't fulfill your own constitutional responsibilities as a citizen, but you enjoy being one of the biggest, nastiest complainers about our government? You've just negated the value of any opinions you have.

I did vote in 08. I was away on deployment in 04 know it all. Hope you had a nice Valentine's Day. I did. I didn't have to see you. When Obama vetos the Republican budget bill and the if the government has to shut down I am sure you will blame it on the Republicans like you always do.

Riot 02-15-2011 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Nascar1966 (Post 752602)
I did vote in 08. I was away on deployment in 04 know it all.

Deployed troops still vote, know it all.

Nascar1966 02-15-2011 05:59 PM

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Deployed troops still vote.
True. Maybe I was in a combat zone. I will laugh when Obamacare takes effect and you get less from the insurance companies. Lets see how much you like Obama then.

Riot 02-15-2011 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 752606)

True. Maybe I was in a combat zone. I will laugh when Obamacare takes effect and you get less from the insurance companies. Lets see how much you like Obama then.

Actually, my insurance premiums will go down, and I will gain insurance for all the "preexisting conditions" that are completely uninsureable now. Can't wait.

Nascar1966 02-15-2011 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Nascar1966 (Post 752607)

Actually, my insurance premiums will go down, and I will gain insurance for all the "preexisting conditions" that are completely uninsureable now. Can't wait.

No wonder you want Obamacare. No wonder you like Obama. Another one of his followers getting a handout or break in insurance rates. Wonder if someone else's rate will go up if they dont use a doctor as much you will? Someone has to help pay for you.

Riot 02-15-2011 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 752626)

No wonder you want the Obamacare.

I want the 30 million uninsured that I am now helping pay for, every time they go to a doctor or an emergency room, to have their own health insurance.

Nascar1966 02-15-2011 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Nascar1966 (Post 752640)

I want the 30 million uninsured that I am now helping pay for, every time they go to a doctor or an emergency room, to have their own health insurance.

Ya right. If you are doctor as someone claimed you are shouldnt you be able to afford what you pay now?

jms62 02-15-2011 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Nascar1966 (Post 752607)

True. MaYybe I was in a combat zone. I will laugh when Obamacare takes effect and you get less from the insurance companies. Lets see how much you like Obama then.

Maybe? You don't remember? Troops in combat zones still vote.

SOREHOOF 02-15-2011 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Nascar1966 (Post 752607)

Actually, my insurance premiums will go down, and I will gain insurance for all the "preexisting conditions" that are completely uninsureable now. Can't wait.

Your personal stake in this completely explains your support for it. You stand to get more for less, while a lot of people know they are going to get less for more.

Nascar1966 02-15-2011 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 752647)
Maybe? You don't remember? Troops in combat zones still vote.

Yes I do. I dont clean toilets like you do for as living. That was the only time I have missed voting for President. Have you ever not voted for Pres before?

Riot 02-15-2011 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Nascar1966 (Post 752643)
Ya right. If you are doctor as someone claimed you are shouldnt you be able to afford what you pay now?

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No wonder you want Obamacare. No wonder you like Obama. Another one of his followers getting a handout or break in insurance rates. Wonder if someone else's rate will go up if they dont use a doctor as much you will? Someone has to help pay for you.
I am a veterinarian.

You are completely clueless about "Obamacare". You have no idea whatsoever what it's about. You make senseless, completely-devoid-of-reality assumptions out of thin air, but you refuse to learn anything about "Obamacare" at all.

You have no curiosity, only your preconceived prejudices and opinions, none of which will never be dissuaded by fact or reality. You are the very definition of a "low information" voter. Good luck with that.

Nascar1966 02-15-2011 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 752653)
I am a veterinarian.

You are completely clueless about "Obamacare". You have no idea whatsoever what it's about. You make senseless, completely-devoid-of-reality assumptions out of thin air, but you refuse to learn anything about "Obamacare" at all.

You have no curiosity, only your preconceived prejudices and opinions, none of which will never be dissuaded by fact or reality. You are the very definition of a "low information" voter. Good luck with that.

Didnt the majority of Americans not want Obamacare. Im not the only one who didnt want it. I see why you want it. Your rate will go down even though you are a vet and can afford it. It will be the middle and lower class that will have to support your worthless body.

Nascar1966 02-15-2011 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 752626)

Your personal stake in this completely explains your support for it. You stand to get more for less, while a lot of people know they are going to get less for more.

Why are you using my name when Riot posted it and not me?

jms62 02-15-2011 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Nascar1966 (Post 752651)
Yes I do. I dont clean toilets like you do for as living. That was the only time I have missed voting for President. Have you ever not voted for Pres before?

Lol.. Are you on crack? I've been doing over
6 figs for 20 years. The joke is on you. And FYI why is cleaning toilets so demeaning? And no I don't clean toilets unless my wife asks me to

Nascar1966 02-15-2011 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Nascar1966 (Post 752640)

I want the 30 million uninsured that I am now helping pay for, every time they go to a doctor or an emergency room, to have their own health insurance.

Even the Illegals?

Riot 02-15-2011 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by SOREHOOF (Post 752649)

Your personal stake in this completely explains your support for it.

No, it doesn't. We have some of the worst health care access in the world. Presidents starting with Johnson and Nixon wanted good health care reform, as have most Presidents since. Our society suffers from our terrible health care access. We have some of the highest healthcare costs in the world across the board, as we are all paying for the high number of uninsured, and those that don't get health care until critical. I don't like seeing people get sick and die for lack of health care in this nation.

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You stand to get more for less, while a lot of people know they are going to get less for more.
Who will be getting less for more? Your premiums will go down, too.

Nascar1966 02-15-2011 07:16 PM

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No, it doesn't. We have some of the worst health care access in the world. Presidents starting with Johnson and Nixon wanted good health care reform, as have most Presidents since. Our society suffers from our terrible health care access. We have some of the highest healthcare costs in the world across the board, as we are all paying for the high number of uninsured, and those that don't get health care until critical. I don't like seeing people get sick and die for lack of health care in this nation.



Who will be getting less for more? Your premiums will go down, too.
Maybe if the illegals weren't getting free ER visits then premiums would be lower. I have no problems getting health care access.

Riot 02-15-2011 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Nascar1966 (Post 752654)
Didnt the majority of Americans not want Obamacare. Im not the only one who didnt want it. I see why you want it. Your rate will go down even though you are a vet and can afford it. It will be the middle and lower class that will have to support your worthless body.

You are completely clueless about "Obamacare". You have no idea whatsoever what it's about. You make senseless, completely-devoid-of-reality assumptions out of thin air, but you refuse to learn anything about "Obamacare" at all.

You have no curiosity, only your preconceived prejudices and opinions, none of which will never be dissuaded by fact or reality. You are the very definition of a "low information" voter. Good luck with that.

Nascar1966 02-15-2011 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 752657)
Lol.. Are you on crack? I've been doing over
6 figs for 20 years. The joke is on you. And FYI why is cleaning toilets so demeaning? And no I don't clean toilets unless my wife asks me to

Sure you dont. You sure aren't fooling me.

SOREHOOF 02-15-2011 07:17 PM

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No, it doesn't. We have some of the worst health care access in the world. Presidents starting with Johnson and Nixon wanted good health care reform, as have most Presidents since. Our society suffers from our terrible health care access. We have some of the highest healthcare costs in the world across the board, as we are all paying for the high number of uninsured, and those that don't get health care until critical. I don't like seeing people get sick and die for lack of health care in this nation.



Who will be getting less for more? Your premiums will go down, too.
Compared to who? Please say Cuba! My premium just doubled!

Nascar1966 02-15-2011 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 752662)
You are completely clueless about "Obamacare". You have no idea whatsoever what it's about. You make senseless, completely-devoid-of-reality assumptions out of thin air, but you refuse to learn anything about "Obamacare" at all.

You have no curiosity, only your preconceived prejudices and opinions, none of which will never be dissuaded by fact or reality. You are the very definition of a "low information" voter. Good luck with that.

Go back to your dream land or Democrat land. Hopefully in Nov 2012 your world will come to a screeching halt when America hopefully wakes up. Hopefully a certain group of people won't try to scare voters away.

Riot 02-15-2011 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 752660)

Compared to who? Please say Cuba! My premium just doubled!

Compared to most other first world countries. Go google: infant mortality, health care access, death rate, etc.

I hate to inform you, but it's doubtful your premium doubled due to the PPACA.

Antitrust32 02-15-2011 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 752660)

Compared to who? Please say Cuba! My premium just doubled!

my out of pocket costs doubled also!

my premium did not go up.. because I wasnt even OFFERED that insurance program anymore! only a crap one!

Nascar1966 02-15-2011 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by SOREHOOF (Post 752664)

my out of pocket costs doubled also!

my premium did not go up.. because I wasnt even OFFERED that insurance program anymore! only a crap one!

Wow. Could you be another victim of this great forthcoming Obamacare?

Riot 02-15-2011 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust 752664

my out of pocket costs doubled also!

my premium did not go up.. because I wasnt even OFFERED that insurance program anymore! only a crap one!

We need the public option - everyone who wants to, gets to buy into Medicare. See how the private insurance companies like dealing with that competition.

Put this in the google search bar. Read it and weep: private insurance company rate hikes last decade

SOREHOOF 02-15-2011 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by SOREHOOF (Post 752664)

Compared to most other first world countries. Go google: infant mortality, health care access, death rate, etc.

I hate to inform you, but it's doubtful your premium doubled due to the PPACA.

The #'s don't tell the whole story. Is China 1"st World now too? How is their Healthcare plan working out for the people? I'm not hearing of complaints by the Chinese people. Maybe we should adopt their system.

Riot 02-15-2011 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 752674)

The #'s don't tell the whole story. Is China 1"st World now too? How is their Healthcare plan working out for the people? I'm not hearing of complaints by the Chinese people. Maybe we should adopt their system.

Well, that's completely generalized and non-specific. Okay.


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