The illegals don't belong in this country? Maybe you feel they do belong here and become a taxpayer's burden like they are.

Really? Where are all those people, Nascar? All the ones bragging?

Let's see:

Unemployment from a job paying $80,000 a year (not counting lost retirement, health benefits, social security input): $300/week before taxes

Minimum-wage McDonald's job at $7.25/hr (with healthcare, retirement, social security input): $290/week before taxes

Yeah - the unemployed are just raking it in, by cashing in on those unemployment insurance policies because they were fired or laid off against their will !

No, I am saying the guilty illegal should be deported after being found guilty, and we do not pay for her incarceration. Because she is a criminal, she will not be taken to the border and dumped - she will be handed over to Mexican police.

You are saying we should pay for incarcerating this illegal for 24 years.

I have seen these people on the news. It wasn't on Fox. Keep on living in your make believe world. You remind of the movie A Few Good Men when Tom Cruise says "Colonel Jessup you can't accept the truth" It is always what you think and everyone else is wrong.

My "make believe world" quoted you real numbers.

You get the same justice and probably better since you can pay for your own defense. Cut the whoah is me.

in what alternate universe do people make more by collecting unemployment than at a job? at $300 a week, that's not even $8 an hour for a 40 hour week. and i promise you, those making min wage do not make the top unemployment. do you even pay attention to what you've written before hitting submit reply?

I am quite sure these numbers are far higher now.

In September 2009, around 4 million Americans were served by a state cash-assistance or welfare program, more than 37 million received federal food stamps and about 9.1 million received unemployment benefits. If treated as exclusive numbers, there would be a total of 50.1 million Americans who received federal aid in September 2009. This data is based on a report published in USA today in January 2010.

That said, I have no problem with unemployment, temporary unemployment, as it was meant to be. As an employer of people it is almost less expensive to maintain a worker rather than let one go. UI is expensive and does not allow for inexpensive replacement workers.
Where I grew up, many of my neighbors took FULL advantage of the handout system by having extra children, not working (on purpose) and even not marrying to maintain their low (read $0) income levels despite the fact that they lived next door to us (dad was a cop, mom worked too). This is who, besides farmers are paid not to work, far more than the $300 or so UI pays.

http://www.whtc.com/blogs/post/rking...american-jobs/

"The Federation for American Immigration Reform estimates that the cost of illegal immigration to the states stands at about $113 billion, with nearly half that amount going to education costs."

I don't see how illegal immigrants are paying their way. Even if the have SS deducted from their wages, states aren't getting that money - the federal government is.

If she comes back, then she should serve that 24 years. That's what is missing -- by Democrat design -- meaningful enforcement.

FYI

Ignoring the "minor crime" such as ID theft and property crimes being committed by illegal aliens, here is a summary on some of the collateral damage reaped in crimes as a result of tolerating illegal aliens in the USA:

In Los Angeles, 95% of some 1,500 outstanding warrants for homicides are for illegal aliens. About 67% of the 17,000 outstanding fugitive felony warrants are for illegal aliens.

There are currently over 400,000 unaccounted for illegal alien criminals with outstanding deportation orders. At least one fourth of these are hard core criminals.

80,000 to 100,000 illegal aliens who have been convicted of serious crimes are walking the streets. Based on studies they will commit an average of 13 serious crimes per perpetrator.

Illegal aliens are involved in criminal activities at a rate that is 2-5 times their representative proportion of the population.

In 1980, our Federal and state facilities held fewer than 9,000 criminal aliens but at the end of 2003, approximately 267,000 illegal aliens were incarcerated in U.S. correctional facilities at a cost of about $6.8 billion per year.

At least 4.5 million pounds of cocaine with a street value of at least $72 billion is smuggled across the southern border every year. ..

56% of illegal aliens charged with a reentry offense had previously been convicted on at least 5 prior occasions.

Illegal aliens charged with unlawful reentry had the most extensive criminal histories. 90% had been previously arrested. Of those with a prior arrest, 50% had been arrested for violent or drug-related felonies.

Illegal aliens commit between 700,000 to 1,289,000 or more crimes per year.

Illegal aliens commit at least 2,158 murders each year – a number that represents three times greater participation than their proportion of the population.

Illegal alien sexual predators commit an estimated 130,909 sexual crimes each year.

There may be as many as 240,000 illegal alien sex offenders circulating throughout America. Based on studies, they will commit an average of 8 sex crimes per perpetrator before being caught.

Nearly 63% of illegal alien sex offenders had been deported on another offense prior to committing the sex crime.

Only 2% of the illegal alien sex offenders in one study had no history of criminal behavior, beyond crossing the border illegally.

In Operation Predator, ICE arrested and deported 6,085 illegal alien pedophiles. Some studies suggest each pedophile molests average of 148 children. If so, that could be as many as 900,580 victims.

Nobody knows how big the Sex Slave problem is but it is enormous.

The very brutal MS-13 gang has over 15,000 members and associates in at least 115 different cliques in 33 states.

The overall financial impact of illegal alien crimes is estimated at between $14.4 and $81 billion or more per year. Factor in the crime as a result of the cocaine and other drugs being smuggled in and the number may reach $150 billion per year.

http://www.usillegalaliens.com/impac...e_summary.html

Actually thats not far from the truth.

Unemployment is somewhere around $410 total. Unless the Obama $25 is gone.
But take home in the state of Indiana after taxes (fed, and state) was $351.00.

I had a friend, who got released from his job as a Manager at a local Pizza Hutt. I told him that an acquaintance that we both knew had an opening as a dealer at the local casino boat paying roughly around $640 a week.

I see this friend again a month later, and he told me he was content as Unemployment was paying more. WHAT?!

Thank you for telling this story. At least I know im not the only one who heard about an unemployed person not looking for a job because they make more collecting unemployment.

There is no larger burden than a person in jail

Brian Scalabrine and fired coaches.

Michelle Obama and every one else with no show jobs in Crook County

So the 11 million illegal aliens in the country cost 113 billion? Yeah sure they do. Those are made up numbers.

Your typical fake papers illegal alien pays as much in state and local taxes as any other legal worker. You can't just pay someone and solely take out social security. It is close to impossible to pay cash nowadays for any period of time for a business larger than a few employees. There are billions of dollars in withholding taxes that are never claimed that go to the state and federal govt.

I have a hard time believing these numbers.

There are 400k illegal alien criminals with deportation orders? There are 100k aliens that have been convicted of serious crimes walking the streets?

Constantly updated information on illegal immigration in the U.S.A.

http://immigrationcounters.com/

You have to look at the numbers that they are posting and be a little skeptical. Accoring to that site there are 23 million illegals (including children). Also according to that 12 million skilled jobs are taken by illegals. Well if you subtract the school age kids and add another million or two that arent old enough for school or pregnant mothers or elderly or unemployed (this is probably a low estimate by me), then you are saying that 12 million out of the 16 milion workers here illegally are working at skilled jobs. Yeah right....

You do realize these are strictly estimates right?

When anything gets into that high numbers, it becomes an estimate.

Chuck, it would appear that any information that puts ILLEGAL immigration in a bad light does not settle well with you.

What I meant was that he was making more on Unemployment than being a Manager at Pizza Hutt.

I understand he has managing experience, and he could be holding out for a similar position, but to ignore an opportunity to increase his pay by $300 a week is a disservice to his family.

I haven't seen him since October, so things may have changed, but I won't know until I see him again in a month.

No inaccurate information from laughingly biased sites does not settle well. Getting "rid of" illegal aliens will make your life more expensive and is another enormously misunderstood issue because of the misuse of information. If it costs 500 bilion to secure the border that 113 billion that illegals are supposedly costs us would look like a drop in the bucket.

Then I guess, according to your way of thinking, we should just open up the borders and let anyone just march in as they damn well please.

http://www.illegalimmigrationstatistics.org/

i'm absolutely sure, princess, that's exactly what he means. :rolleyes: people always go from one extreme to another, and then wonder why their opinion gets discounted.

if you actually got rid of everyone here that wasn't a citizen, the price of goods would skyrocket, and the deficit would skyrocket.
by the same token, if you made a path to citizenship for all here illegally, the same would happen.
if you 'let them all in', we'd have a mess as well. the govt is doing it's very best to act as tho they want to change things, while keeping the status quo, as economically it makes the most sense. illegals who commit crimes are unwelcome here. the problem with that part of it is no one has a crystal ball to see the future and recognize ahead of time who those people are.

most illegals that some on here are in a rush to disparage are hard working folks who only seek to make a better life. they come here to work because it's better than at home, with them trading better pay and working conditions for feeding our federal budget with nothing to show for it later.

Instead of discounting information offered, it would be nice for someone to come up with facts and figures from a reputable source to indicate that illegal immigration is not costing the American tax payers exorbitant amounts of money.:rolleyes:

At this stage and numbers of illegals, we can't just "kick them all out" even though it was promised in 1986 that something like this would never happen again.:rolleyes: I fully realize that, but the government is not doing its best to control the situation. If they were, then employers employing illegals would be called to task, the social security administration would not allow an illegal to obtain a SS number, law enforcement hands are tied dealing with illegals who commit crimes - it's another don't ask don't tell situation. How bad does it have to get before an illegal is deported? How many of them actually are? Or, are they taking up USA taxpayer money by languishing in US jails which is probably better than any kind of accommodation they can get in their mother country?

The vast majority of illegals are here to work, to make a better life for themselves and their families. I don't doubt that. But, the fact remains that they are here ILLEGALLY and far too many people in this country, especially our lawmakers, have become comfortable with the situation. Amnesty is on the table because lawmakers of a certain ilk want that vote. Amnesty when the one in 1986 was promised to be the last one.

According to the information that you have given us that is already the case.

The point I am trying to make isnt that we shouldn't tighten our borders to stem the tide of illegals entering the country. It is that they contribute quite a bit yet those contributions are often twisted or simply overrlooked when trying to understand the issue.

Perhaps the best way to solve the issue wil never be done because of political pandering, that is to come up with a much better work visa program.

Far too often the phrase "taxpayers money" is tossed around. The truth is that the majority of taxpayers money is wasted by the people we elect to office, not people sneaking accross the border to be dishwashers, grooms, fruit pickers and maids.

the govt doesn't allow illegals to obtain ss numbers. it ignores the fact that money flowing in is flowing in on invalid numbers, thus ensuring the money coming in never pays out to that same number. illegals contribute quite a lot of money to taxes, while never having a way to get that money back upon retirement. that money is what helps ss/the feds to remain solvent. and yes, they are here under illegal means. however, we benefit more from them being here in that way then if we were to grant them citizenship or amnesty. why? because if they become citizens, they can get the money they pay into the system back out. have you heard the phrase cut off ones nose to spite ones face? no doubt you have, and that's exactly what you're proposing to do here. this isn't a black and white issue, in that it's either all good, or all bad.
ask yourself, why has nothing been changed in spite of the talk, the rhetoric, and the demand that 'we must do something'? it's because of what i said before, money. illegals trying to work the system are shown the door. those who contribute, who work, are not. employers who write down an ss number and contribue their matching money thru social security are left alone. employers who pay under the table are raided.

do you really think the govt would do nothing had they crunched the numbers and found we were losing funds due to the illegals??? yeah, right. the govt may be self absorbed, eager only for re-election...but they aren't stupid.

teach a US registered potential human broodmare with a less than valuable pedigree to become a equine hot-walker/groom instead or tax her and then look at the savings. Multiply that by all illegal jobs and we're talking big!

lol
yeah, cause our upright citizens are begging for menial jobs with base pay. :rolleyes: too easy to get on the dole.

not upright, but plenty of those on the dole to go around......and though broke obese at the same time. :D

Great experience at the grocery store tonight, while waiting in line to get coffee and bread the lady in front with a huge order but checked out has problems getting her card to go thru the right way. This woman's English comprehension seemed to be hey. After showing her which, way to point the magnetic strip I find it's a 'food stamp credit card' WTF with $479 balance after buying almost $100 WTF. Then she gets in a Escalade and knows how to operate the key-bob remote. WTF?

i'd ask if her name was tara, but i remember that you live in ill, and my brother and his brood are in n.c.

This was in WI, in a resort town. She did have IL plates.

Big surprise there. Someone in a nice car with a food stamp credit card. I'm sure she will claim it isn't her car and she was borrowing it. She might say the car belongs to someone else in her family.

ah yes. the legendary welfare queen. a staple for many years.

glad to see she's now a hispanic immigrant and no longer black.

change is good.

you'd think she'd have moved on from a cadillac though. the updated queen i see more as a mercedes driver. it would be a better story if she wasn't buying american.

here's another true story:

i once saw a gang of republican's beat a homeless women to death when she wouldn't convert to christianity. seriously.

in simi valley, ca. that detail makes it more likely to be true.

http://www.factcheck.org/2010/05/doe...ion-cost-jobs/


Summary
Do immigrants take American jobs? It’s a common refrain among those who want to tighten limits on legal immigration and deny a "path to citizenship" — which they call "amnesty" — to the millions of immigrants living in the U.S. illegally. There’s even a new Reclaim American Jobs Caucus in the House, with at least 41 members.

But most economists and other experts say there’s little to support the claim. Study after study has shown that immigrants grow the economy, expanding demand for goods and services that the foreign-born workers and their families consume, and thereby creating jobs. There is even broad agreement among economists that while immigrants may push down wages for some, the overall effect is to increase average wages for American-born workers.

also:

But whether they’re legal, as in the CFAW ad, or illegal, as in our two other examples, really doesn’t matter for the purpose of answering our question: The truth is that immigrants don’t "take American jobs," according to most economists and others who have studied the issue.

Immigrant workers "create almost as many" jobs as they occupy, "and maybe more," said Madeleine Sumption, policy analyst at the nonpartisan Migration Policy Institute, which is funded by a range of foundations, corporations and international organizations. "They often create the jobs they work in." In addition, "they buy things, and they make the economy bigger," she told us. As she and a co-author wrote in a report last year for a group created by the British government:

Somerville and Sumption: [T]he impact of immigration [on a nation's economy] remains small, for several reasons. Immigrants are not competitive in many types of jobs, and hence are not direct substitutes for natives. Local employers increase demand for low-skilled labor in areas that receive low-skilled immigrant inflows. Immigrants contribute to demand for goods and services that they consume, in turn increasing the demand for labor. And immigrants contribute to labor market efficiency and long-term economic growth.

Three different web-sites listing the pros and cons of illegal immigration -

http://immigration.procon.org/view.r...ourceID=000842

http://www.balancedpolitics.org/immigration.htm

http://www.illegalimmigrationstatist...pros-and-cons/