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Princess Doreen 01-26-2011 05:39 PM

Zenyatta to Bernardini = ZENFANDINI

It sounds a bit Kendall-Jackson. but, it lingers nice on the palate.

Cannon Shell 01-26-2011 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 746202)
I would think the bidding on a good looking Bernardini Zenyatta colt starts at 3mil and if the Sheik elects to own it is a world record. Especially if the next few crops of Bernardini's are as or more successful then this group. I cant image not selling a colt nor can I imagine Team Moss ever selling a filly. How do you not take a shot at 10 plus mil on a colt that is 18 months old?

Who knows? Moss is an old dude with a lot of money.

freddymo 01-26-2011 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen (Post 746206)
Zenyatta to Bernardini = ZENFANDINI

It sounds a bit Kendall-Jackson. but, it lingers nice on the palate.

How about

thegr8fraudini

VOL JACK 01-26-2011 06:47 PM

I like BLAMEVASOR for the foals name.

OldDog 01-26-2011 06:50 PM

Any thoughts as to why they didn't go with A.P. Indy? Why might Bernardini be a better match?

Betsy 01-26-2011 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by OldDog (Post 746229)
Any thoughts as to why they didn't go with A.P. Indy? Why might Bernardini be a better match?


I still think it's because Bernardini is passing along speed to his offspring, but then again he is a risk as a young sire who hasn't proven it over a period of time. Indy is aging (didn't have a great year this year) and his fertility is down...........I also read that Zenyatta's half by Bernardini is very well regarded, so that could have something to do with it.

AeWingnut 01-26-2011 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VOL JACK (Post 746225)
I like BLAMEVASOR for the foals name.

:tro:

The Indomitable DrugS 01-26-2011 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VOL JACK (Post 746225)
I like BLAMEVASOR for the foals name.

Sounds better than Lame Insor I suppose.

miraja2 01-26-2011 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VOL JACK (Post 746225)
I like BLAMEVASOR for the foals name.

Many :tro:s

eajinabi 01-26-2011 08:52 PM

Why not breed her to Blame. At least she will be in front this time.

Princess Doreen 01-26-2011 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldDog (Post 746229)
Any thoughts as to why they didn't go with A.P. Indy? Why might Bernardini be a better match?

A P Indy is supposedly falling off in fertility, and Bernardini is an A P Indy son?!~

letswastemoney 01-26-2011 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eajinabi (Post 746252)
Why not breed her to Blame. At least she will be in front this time.

But Blame will come out on top still...

Merlinsky 01-27-2011 03:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav (Post 746191)
Do you think that Three Chimneys or whomever runs Dynaformer's career would decline breeding to Zenyatta? Maybe, but call me skeptical.

Dynaformer's a piece of work. They probably have a number of reasons for trying to avoid maiden mares, but his temperament combined with Zenyatta's size? I think they'd absolutely think twice about allowing it. What if he hurt her? What if he got hurt because of something she did? It's unnecessary drama. I'm sure they have an idea about his fertility, and if it's reasonably strong and he's in good health, it's worth suggesting they come back next year (if they plan to go at all).

I doubt Dynaformer was even their first pick anyway. They went to a promising stallion with a good female family, a nice conformation, and a nice cross with her dam already. Makes sense. I'm skeptical that we'd see a Zenyatta yearling go through the sale. Not that they'd never part with a colt, but she's their queen, and they're not exactly poor. I'm sure Darley would make them a generous offer in the future if they liked what came out of this mating.

Antitrust32 01-27-2011 07:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VOL JACK (Post 746225)
I like BLAMEVASOR for the foals name.

:tro::tro:

Thoroughbred Fan 01-27-2011 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Merlinsky (Post 746282)
Dynaformer's a piece of work. They probably have a number of reasons for trying to avoid maiden mares, but his temperament combined with Zenyatta's size? I think they'd absolutely think twice about allowing it. What if he hurt her? What if he got hurt because of something she did? It's unnecessary drama. I'm sure they have an idea about his fertility, and if it's reasonably strong and he's in good health, it's worth suggesting they come back next year (if they plan to go at all).

I doubt Dynaformer was even their first pick anyway. They went to a promising stallion with a good female family, a nice conformation, and a nice cross with her dam already. Makes sense. I'm skeptical that we'd see a Zenyatta yearling go through the sale. Not that they'd never part with a colt, but she's their queen, and they're not exactly poor. I'm sure Darley would make them a generous offer in the future if they liked what came out of this mating.

The real reason they don't take many maidens to Dynaformer is that he gets large foals. Large foals are very tough on maidens. Small, previously unused hole + large foal = holy shiit on foaling day. No one would subject a mare this valuable to the increased risk of damage or death to her or the foal.

Gate Dancer 01-27-2011 10:08 AM

I think an Invasor-Anabaa's Creation foal would beat the Bernardini-Zenyatta foal by about 6 lengths.................

slotdirt 01-27-2011 11:48 AM

More :tro:'s than I can post for Blamevasor.

slotdirt 01-27-2011 11:49 AM

By the by, and I'm completely not following this, but has anybody decided where Rachel is going? I say this because A., I'm curious, and B., it wouldn't be a Zenyatta thread if someone didn't mention her name.

slotdirt 01-27-2011 12:04 PM

Yeah, about eight seconds after I posted that, Curlin came to mind. So really I just wanted to get Curlin and RAchel in a thread on Zenyatta.

Arletta 01-27-2011 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slotdirt (Post 746332)
By the by, and I'm completely not following this, but has anybody decided where Rachel is going? I say this because A., I'm curious, and B., it wouldn't be a Zenyatta thread if someone didn't mention her name.

Would be great if she went to Blame :)

dalakhani 01-27-2011 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek (Post 746073)
Sumitas will be reporting live during the cover at Zenyatta.com.

This made my day. Thanks Sightseek!:tro:

dalakhani 01-27-2011 01:38 PM

Could it be anything else but Bernyatta at this point?

Sightseek 01-27-2011 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dalakhani (Post 746369)
This made my day. Thanks Sightseek!:tro:

Seeing you post reminded me of another horse with an overly enthusiastic fan base.....


GO ROCKY GO!

:D

freddymo 01-27-2011 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gate Dancer (Post 746318)
I think an Invasor-Anabaa's Creation foal would beat the Bernardini-Zenyatta foal by about 6 lengths.................


Don't laugh it is certainly a 50/50 bet

Merlinsky 01-29-2011 01:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slotdirt (Post 746332)
By the by, and I'm completely not following this, but has anybody decided where Rachel is going? I say this because A., I'm curious, and B., it wouldn't be a Zenyatta thread if someone didn't mention her name.

No decision to make, Jess Jackson bought her for Curlin, although after the first year, who knows? If he didn't send her to Curlin, it would be rather strange considering what he's said so far. Two Horses of the Year, not shabby. Steve Haskin talked about his list of the best physical specimens from the last decade, and Bernardini and Zenyatta were on top, but a few places down on each list there were Curlin and Rachel Alexandra.

Merlinsky 01-29-2011 01:14 AM

TB Times: Help (pretend to) name the Bernardini-Zenyatta foal
 
http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/bre...dini-foal.aspx

There's a naming contest for the Bernardini-Zenyatta foal by Thoroughbred Times. I'm sure there's virtually no shot of her offspring actually being named by the winner, but you never know, someone could submit a name other than Bernyatta or Zendini and the Mosses might faint from shock and pick it.

Winner gets a prize package of the Zenyatta commemorative issue and back Thoroughbred Times issues with her on the cover.

Danzig 01-29-2011 06:26 AM

overrated

miraja2 01-29-2011 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Merlinsky (Post 746938)
No decision to make, Jess Jackson bought her for Curlin, although after the first year, who knows? If he didn't send her to Curlin, it would be rather strange considering what he's said so far. Two Horses of the Year, not shabby. Steve Haskin talked about his list of the best physical specimens from the last decade, and Bernardini and Zenyatta were on top, but a few places down on each list there were Curlin and Rachel Alexandra.

You certainly don't see that all that often.
One of the ones I can think of is this one: http://www.pedigreequery.com/bear+witness

Mike 01-29-2011 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek (Post 746073)
Sumitas will be reporting live during the cover at Zenyatta.com.

:D

freddymo 01-29-2011 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by miraja2 (Post 746955)
You certainly don't see that all that often.
One of the ones I can think of is this one: http://www.pedigreequery.com/bear+witness

sea of secrets and zarkava?

AeWingnut 01-30-2011 06:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Merlinsky (Post 746940)
http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/bre...dini-foal.aspx

There's a naming contest for the Bernardini-Zenyatta foal by Thoroughbred Times. I'm sure there's virtually no shot of her offspring actually being named by the winner, but you never know, someone could submit a name other than Bernyatta or Zendini and the Mosses might faint from shock and pick it.

Winner gets a prize package of the Zenyatta commemorative issue and back Thoroughbred Times issues with her on the cover.

Quote:

Originally Posted by VOL JACK (Post 746225)
I like BLAMEVASOR for the foals name.

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 746239)
Sounds better than Lame Insor I suppose.

I recommend both for the contest :D

Sightseek 02-03-2011 08:56 AM

Today's ad in the TDN by Lanes End announcing that Rachel is going to Curlin is both cute and amusing.

Merlinsky 02-03-2011 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sightseek (Post 748524)
Today's ad in the TDN by Lanes End announcing that Rachel is going to Curlin is both cute and amusing.

Aw, now that's just precious. ;)

Clip-Clop 02-03-2011 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by miraja2 (Post 746955)
You certainly don't see that all that often.
One of the ones I can think of is this one: http://www.pedigreequery.com/bear+witness

Azeri has two no? AP and Zapper.

King Glorious 02-04-2011 02:47 AM

Well, now we know who will be favored in the BC Classic in 2015 and/or 2016 and will finish second. It's going to be interesting to see how, if it's a male and Moss keeps it, how they'll sneak him into all of the filly restricted races over and over again. And we can count him out of the Derby because, well, the Rockies will still be there.

OldDog 02-04-2011 11:49 AM

Forgive me if this was already posted somewhere, but I didn't see it so here goes. I found it very interesting.

Seeing shades of Zenyatta in her half-sister
LEXINGTON, Ky. − As the Thoroughbred world speculates about what a Bernardini-Zenyatta foal might look like, there are a handful of people in the sport who already have an inkling.

This possible hint of things to come is named Eblouissante, and she is Zenyatta’s 2-year-old half-sister by Bernardini – the closest thing available to the mating cross Ann and Jerry Moss are planning for their reigning Horse of the Year.

The man behind Eblouissante’s pedigree is her breeder and owner, Eric Kronfeld, who also bred Zenyatta. The Mosses have not given many details about why they selected Bernardini for Zenyatta’s first mating, but Kronfeld’s logic for pairing Bernardini with Zenyatta’s dam, Vertigineux, might shed some light on the cross’s appeal.


http://www.drf.com/news/seeing-shade...er-half-sister

freddymo 02-04-2011 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldDog (Post 748850)
Forgive me if this was already posted somewhere, but I didn't see it so here goes. I found it very interesting.

Seeing shades of Zenyatta in her half-sister
LEXINGTON, Ky. − As the Thoroughbred world speculates about what a Bernardini-Zenyatta foal might look like, there are a handful of people in the sport who already have an inkling.

This possible hint of things to come is named Eblouissante, and she is Zenyatta’s 2-year-old half-sister by Bernardini – the closest thing available to the mating cross Ann and Jerry Moss are planning for their reigning Horse of the Year.

The man behind Eblouissante’s pedigree is her breeder and owner, Eric Kronfeld, who also bred Zenyatta. The Mosses have not given many details about why they selected Bernardini for Zenyatta’s first mating, but Kronfeld’s logic for pairing Bernardini with Zenyatta’s dam, Vertigineux, might shed some light on the cross’s appeal.


http://www.drf.com/news/seeing-shade...er-half-sister

A few things to look forward too:

Zenyatta's lil sis signs "We love you Sissy"
A Sherriffs campaign starting in about 2 years


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