The Founding Fathers. When they wrote all the good crap they wrote way back when they clearly had no idea what the world would look like today. If they could come back I think they would ask for an eraser.

Or, insurance companies are not forced to expand coverage, as much as the bill will hand them 30 million new people that have to buy insurance from them and will pay them for it.

There is a provision in the PPACA that insurance companies in the future will have to spend 80% of their income on clients (not profits) so they are simply trying to price gouge as much as they can, now, before they are prohibited from doing it any more.

It's pretty funny, because this bill has been accused, by the left, of being better for the insurance companies than people.

I think the populace should be allowed all the guns they want, as long as they are muskets.

Here's one big problem Obama has not mentioned. There's a major shortage of primary care physicians in this country. As more people gain access to health care the problem will only be compounded.

Riot you are aptly named.

That has been mentioned. They will just make more doctors. Med schools have already increased their enrollment. Seats available to be a doctor have always gone in up and down cycles.

When I chose between med school or vet school, all the doctors I knew hated insurance companies. Not practicing medicine, they loved that, but the BS insurance hoops they had to go through, that actively restricted their practice of medicine.

Insurance companies, not doctors, dictate which diagnostic tests and care you get to have for what conditions, etc. - by what they will reimburse for them.

How many new moms have been kicked out of the hospital after 24 hours? And GI surgery patients sent home after 5 days, when 6-7 would have suited them better? Insurance won't pay, off you go. Women with undiagnosed breast cancer, because insurance company would only pay for one mammogram every 5 years. Diabetes undiagnosed because the insurance company wouldn't pay for a blood test annually? Etc.

There are plenty of doctors who have "gone off the grid", and provide basic family practice/internal medicine services without dealing with insurance for the basics (wellness, blood tests, etc) and thus keeping patient costs very low and realistic.

Saying "but we don't have enough doctors" is no reason not to provide healthcare to millions of people. It's easy to make more doctors. You just have to go back and make the profession one of medicine, not subservience to insurance company dictates. One big headache to keeping people from choosing medicine as a career is having to deal with insurance companies. Having to hire multiple people in your office just to deal with the forms, having the insurance company dictate how you practice medicine, what you can do for patients, etc.

That is my favorite dog. From the day he was born, he never slept. All the other puppies would nurse and sleep, nurse and sleep - he'd nurse and stay awake, crawling around over them creating a riot. His mother would get out of the whelping box to escape him. As they grew, he lead the chaos and destruction in puppyland. He used to escape the puppy yard constantly, right over the fence. He'd "run riot" on any game he saw - birds, cats, rabbits, balloons in the sky, whatever. He turned out a good kid. But exhausting :D

No one cares

Ah, Dahoss and Pants are here!

Any more super interesting stories you could tell? I'm sure people are waiting to hear the second biggest blowhard go on and on about nothing at all.

I bow to your status as Number One :tro:

This shi.t might work with Nascar, but not with me. The sad thing is I actually agree with a lot of your political stances. But you're such an annoying piece of garbage that your entire message gets drowned out by your attitude. Just do everyone a favor and shut up already. Seriously. No one cares about your opinion.

Or, you could just grow a pair and delete or skip posters you don't like. Like the big boys do.

Notice you don't dispute what I am saying. You know it's true. I get it. The animals have to listen to you, so you think everyone else wants to.

We don't.

from fact check dot org:

Most of the new law has yet to go into effect — and it won’t until 2014 — but some provisions affecting insurers were instituted this fall. So far, insurers can’t deny coverage to kids because of preexisting conditions, and they must allow dependents to stay on their parents’ insurance until age 26. They also must provide free preventive care and eliminate lifetime and certain annual monetary caps on coverage.


free. lovely word, isn't it? only someone is paying for it.

all too true that most of the increases yearly are due to rising medical costs overall, but it's also true that there is an estimated 4% increase due to the new law.

besides, lifetime caps being removed as well as removing rules regarding pre-existing conditions will cause rising costs to insurance companies, who will pass that on to their customers. does anyone really think that these companies will accept a lower bottom line, that they'll choose to absorb these costs? yeah, right.

And yet, here you are.

Consider yourself as having peed on the tree, big guy. Coach thinks you're awesome, he got to swear and insult someone he doesn't like, you did too, and the rest of us can just keep laughing at you guys privately. Everyone is happy.

knowing that the founding fathers were fairly intelligent, and witness to some amazing discoveries, i'm sure they knew that the future would not quite resemble the present. including firearms.

Yeah, I've heard about 4-10%, too. We won't see the entire benefit until everything has been in place for a couple years, which will be 2016 or so.

i won't hold my breath waiting to see any 'benefits'. i'm one of the people who pays for all the stuff that others hold their hand out for, who think it's their right. matter of fact, i get one day off this week instead of two. i'm such an idiot.

I love the high road nonsense. You insult with the best of them, but when I bring up valid points I'm being a meanie. The private stuff is pretty funny also.

I guess it's better than them doing it in public, like everyone does with you.

Naw, I don't insult aggressively with curses and profanity. Not that I agree with you that is, "the best", it's rather more like the limited anger-management resources of a group of 9-year-old boys. Temper tantrums. But yes, that does make alot of lurkers on this site resort to PMs.

No high road here. I am what I am. You don't like it. Too bad for you, I guess.

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That's right, you do it passive aggressively. So much classier. "People don't like you, so instead of saying it to you, they pm me, of all people, to talk about it."

Class personified. You must have to fight the men off with sticks.

Okay, your penis.

She prefers geldings.

Don't you worry about me, thanks. I'm sure most of Derby Trail likes you alot.

A lot is two words idiot.

I'm sure they like you a lot, too! :tro:

Last word.

Riot you can't just make more doctors. It's not that easy. Also, I never said that people should not have access to health care because there are not enough doctors to go around.

Yes, I know you didn't, I mentioned it because this argument ("doctor shortage") was a major "against" argument on the far right during the original healthcare debate.

Doctors have always been a bit of an supply and demand thing. Each med school can expand their class seating by 3-5% (affordable to the school), which most are doing, now. Some can go larger. In four years that increases interns, and that addition can stay as long as demand is there.

You have to do two things: enable doctors to actually practice medicine, and not just check off what insurance companies say they can do for patients; and make it so people that spend $75,000 - $150,000 on their medical education think they will realistically be able to pay it back over 10-20 years (and have enough left over for starting a business or buying into one, and having a life at the same time)

If you think so. You seem to be in the know on everything.

I'll leave you with this. Not important what I do for a living or who I work for but I have a team of physician recruiters that report up to me. The head of my recruitment team is on a national committee formed specifically to address the shortage of primary care physicians in this country and what to do about it. I'll pass along to him your wisdom on what exactly the problems are and how you propose we fix everything.

I will now go press the Easy Button:wf

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So, speak up, instead of simply dissing my opinion and acting put upon. You said "it's not that easy" to make more doctors. I agreed and offer my thoughts on how to help do it. And then you diss my answer about how to go about it. Actually, you didn't diss the answer, you just dissed me, without offering any counterpoint or other opinion. I'm looking at it from the professional side. My opinion isn't invalid - it's shared by alot of physicians I know and talk with.

What do your physician recruiters find as the primary inability to hire professionals? Care to actually add something of substance to the conversation? You said you have a whole team that reports to you: what do they say?

Either you really do want to discuss doctor shortages, or you're just into schoolyard clique building.

Your opinion is never invalid.

I dont know if you knew this but Riot knows everything.

Not getting DT'ers rallying around you like you hoped when you posted this?

What is the last year someone used the word diss? 1997 or 1998?

Suprise suprise.............:rolleyes:

I have no choice... its the only thing offered through work and it is way cheaper than purchasing it privately still.

of course the insurance company is shady, but Obamacare gave them a reason to become shadier. they site the cadallac tax, which doesnt even come into effect until like 2018 or something.. and my plan is more like a 1995 dodge intrepid instead of a damn caddy!