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blackthroatedwind 11-28-2010 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 728278)
Pathetic. How could you not remember Countess Diana burying Career Collection? Favorite Trick holding off Nationalore? Skip Away pummeling Dowty and Whiskey Wisdom? Elmhurst tagging Hesabull?

Are you even a fan of this sport?

The world begins and ends with me, and since I haven't been there since 1987, I just assumed the place was shut down.

By the way, I always loved the Hollywood Derby, but this year's field makes the Jamaica look like a solid race.

RolloTomasi 11-28-2010 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 728280)
The world begins and ends with me, and since I haven't been there since 1987, I just assumed the place was shut down.

By the way, I always loved the Hollywood Derby, but this year's field makes the Jamaica look like a solid race.

Yeah, it should be demoted to a Grade 2 off of this year alone.

It's sad, too, because with few exceptions since the '90s, the winners (and I presume some of the also-rans) went on to win major races on the turf as 4yos.

I don't think that trend will continue with this year's renewal.

At least it's still a 10f race.

blackthroatedwind 11-28-2010 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 728284)
Yeah, it should be demoted to a Grade 2 off of this year alone.

It's sad, too, because with few exceptions since the '90s, the winners (and I presume some of the also-rans) went on to win major races on the turf as 4yos.

I don't think that trend will continue with this year's renewal.

At least it's still a 10f race.

There are simply, outside of Paddy O'Prado, no good 3YO turf horses. Hell, the half to Zenyatta, Souper Spectacular, that won two weeks ago at Aqueduct, would have a shot in here. Clever move running the Jamaica winner in the BC Marathon instead of this race. Then again, if he hadn't run, the BC wouldn't have gotten nearly as much mainstream press.

Indian Charlie 11-28-2010 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 728255)
Hollywood Derby Trivia

1) This filly beat the boys in the '83 Hollywood Derby. A course specialist, the following year she won the Beverly Hills, Inglewood (vs. colts), Matriarch, and BC Mile all at Hollywood Park. Name her.

2) This gelding chased Tight Spot all summer before just getting tagged by Royal Academy in the BC Mile. However, off the strength of late season wins in both the Hollywood Derby and Hollywood Turf Cup, he was able to earn champion turf horse. Name him.

3) The 1-2 finishers in the '92 Hollywood Derby were future stars in the national turf ranks. Both horses eventually placed in runnings of the BC Turf. One in '93, the other in '94. Name them.

4) Explosive Red was a front-running grass horse for Frank Stronach who took the Hollywood Derby in '93. However, his half-brother, by Chief's Crown, was more famous, earning the turf Eclipse by winning the BC Turf, coincidentally, run at Hollywood Park. Name him.

5) This horse was 3rd in the '01 Hollywood Derby. 2 years later, he was sprint champion. Name him.

6) In 1995, these two horses ran 1st and 3rd respectively, in the Hollywood Derby. Improbably, they hooked up again 3 years later in '98 in the BC Mile at CD. They reversed placings this time with the winner completing a phenomenal comeback and ruining his rival's unbeaten '98 record and bid for champion turf horse. Name both.

1. Royal Heroine

2. Itsallgreektome

3. Paradise Creek and Bien Bien. I needed it the other way.

4. Chief Bearhart?

5. Squirtle Squirt?

6. Da Hoss and Fastness?

Indian Charlie 11-28-2010 12:11 PM

4.5 out of 6. I've done worse.

RolloTomasi 11-28-2010 12:22 PM

7) One of this year's contenders, Citrus Kid, has important broodmare Mock Orange as his 4th dam.

One of Mock Orange's daughters was Naval Orange. Naval Orange produced this colt, ironically a wire-to-wire winner at 2 sprinting at Saratoga (by over 12 lengths). Later, he developed into a dead closer and in his only start at Hollywood Park, was 5th in the BC Classic, the first of 3 straight 5th place finishes in the BC Classic. Name him.

The Indomitable DrugS 11-28-2010 01:35 PM

Cryptoclearance.

The Indomitable DrugS 11-28-2010 02:35 PM

His stellar 3-year-old season was good enough to get Hedge Fund retired off of a double digit length win at Mountaineer...and good enough to help earn some hair-piece wearing dope 900K on a bet ...and good enough to give Borel his 3rd Derby win in the last four years.



Name him.

blackthroatedwind 11-28-2010 02:38 PM

Super Saver

RolloTomasi 11-28-2010 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 728323)
Name him.

Sea Hero wasn't even that long a price in the Travers. Plus he won.

Hence the statue.

The Indomitable DrugS 11-28-2010 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 728324)
Super Saver

Correct.

Only career defeat came to Holy Bull.



Name him.

The Indomitable DrugS 11-28-2010 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 728326)
Sea Hero wasn't even that long a price in the Travers. Plus he won.

Hence the statue.

Yeah - of all the horses - to have a statue of Sea Hero is pretty funny.

I guess they also named a street after Bird Town though.

RolloTomasi 11-28-2010 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 728327)
Correct.

Only career defeat came to Holy Bull.

Name him.

Twining

The Indomitable DrugS 11-28-2010 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 728329)
Twining

Correct.

This rocketship from Panama finished 3rd in the Preakness.



Name him.

RockHardTen1985 11-28-2010 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 728168)
Not only would a sex change be in order, but she'd need a time machine to run in races run nearly a decade before she was born.

I meant Bayou Tortuga.

hockey2315 11-28-2010 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 728335)
I meant Bayou Tortuga.

2yo filly, big guy.

RolloTomasi 11-28-2010 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 728333)
Name him.

El Bakan. The first in a long line of Robert Perez Caribbean imports.

Edged Sea Hero by a neck or so to get that classic placing.

The Indomitable DrugS 11-28-2010 05:00 PM

Came to New York in the summer of '91 and swept four Grade 1's that summer before feet trouble took hold I guess. Still holds the track record for 1 1/4 miles at Belmont.



Name him.

herkhorse 11-28-2010 05:02 PM

I know this one, In Excess

NTamm1215 11-28-2010 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 728362)
Came to New York in the summer of '91 and swept four Grade 1's that summer before feet trouble took hold I guess. Still holds the track record for 1 1/4 miles at Belmont.



Name him.

In Excess

Danzig 11-28-2010 05:03 PM

in excess?

The Indomitable DrugS 11-28-2010 05:03 PM

Yep. Sire of the immortal Indian Charlie.

RolloTomasi 11-28-2010 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 728366)
Yep. Sire of the immortal Indian Charlie.

What Beyer did In Excess get for his first dirt start, the San Fernando?

He absolutely made a mess of a solid bunch of horses that day but quickly fell back down to earth when having to run 10f in both the Strub and Big Cap.

That's why the Suburban effort is a bit illusory, IMO. IIRC, it was a 5 horse field and he had everything his own way. Chief Honcho was a nice horse but hardly a division heavyweight.

I wonder how the '91 BC Classic would have played out had he started.

Throw Farma Way (I think he was injured by then) into that mix as well and perhaps Unbridled, Festin, and Strike The Gold would have been 1-2-3.

The Indomitable DrugS 11-28-2010 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 728377)
What Beyer did In Excess get for his first dirt start, the San Fernando?

He absolutely made a mess of a solid bunch of horses that day but quickly fell back down to earth when having to run 10f in both the Strub and Big Cap.

That's why the Suburban effort is a bit illusory, IMO. IIRC, it was a 5 horse field and he had everything his own way. Chief Honcho was a nice horse but hardly a division heavyweight.

I wonder how the '91 BC Classic would have played out had he started.

Throw Farma Way (I think he was injured by then) into that mix as well and perhaps Unbridled, Festin, and Strike The Gold would have been 1-2-3.

117 - the Suburban was a 7 horse field... I don't remember anything about it obviously. Chief Honcho was in pretty solid form - after the two defeats to In Excess - he was beaten less than a length by Black Tie Affair in the Gr 1 Iselin and 2nd by 1.25 lengths to Festin in the Jockey Club Gold Cup in his next two starts.

The Indomitable DrugS 11-28-2010 06:09 PM

This horse was dead last of 12 - after just 8 furlongs - in the Breeders Cup Classic. Despite being very hard ridden - he was a length behind the hopelessly slow and still restrained Pleasant Prince after a mile ... but unlike Life At Ten, Johnny V. at least bothered to ask him for everything he had.



Name him.

DaTruth 11-28-2010 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 728410)
This horse was dead last of 12 - after just 8 furlongs - in the Breeders Cup Classic. Despite being very hard ridden - he was a length behind the hopelessly slow and still restrained Pleasant Prince after a mile ... but unlike Life At Ten, Johnny V. at least bothered to ask him for everything he had.



Name him.

Dr. Carter.

The Indomitable DrugS 11-28-2010 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DaTruth (Post 728415)
Dr. Carter.

Please, he would have been able to make the lead against First Dude - especially considering that they wanted to take First Dude back according to Romans.

He also would have dusted a restrained Pleasant Prince at a mile.

KirisClown 11-28-2010 06:26 PM

He got within 29lths of Zenyatta.. so he must have been good.

KirisClown 11-28-2010 06:26 PM

His 2yr old season.. he would go on to be a multiple Grade I winner of over 3 million.


Indian Charlie 11-28-2010 06:26 PM

Vanlandingham?

The Indomitable DrugS 11-28-2010 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by KirisClown (Post 728421)
His 2yr old season.. he would go on to be a multiple Grade I winner of over 3 million.


Awad

The Indomitable DrugS 11-28-2010 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by KirisClown (Post 728420)
He got within 29lths of Zenyatta.. so he must have been good.

Espoir City - off of his absolutely miserable prep race in Japan and all the reports he was training very poorly - will go down as the horse who led the 2010 BC Classic field after a mile.

Japan really sent the wrong horse. They have to have 15 horses over there with a late running route closer style who could have won the BC Classic this year.

KirisClown 11-28-2010 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 728424)
Awad

Yup, one of my favorites .. good job.

The Indomitable DrugS 11-28-2010 06:47 PM

Another from the stellar Sea Hero crop - this one actually sired a great female sprinter.



Name him.

Danzig 11-28-2010 06:52 PM

dixieland heat

The Indomitable DrugS 11-28-2010 06:53 PM

Yep. Sire of Xtra Heat.

DaTruth 11-28-2010 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 728450)
dixieland heat

Name the trainer. Hint, his wife was indicted by the feds the other day.

RolloTomasi 11-28-2010 07:06 PM

Yet another lost stakes race of great significance

Young America Trivia

1) This son of Bold Bidder won the '78 Young America on his way to winning two-thirds of the Triple Crown. He returned to the Meadowlands at 3 to win the Meadowlands Cup. Name him.

2) This colt, champion 2yo in USA and Canada, took the '81 Young America over eventual Derby runner-up Laser Light. At 4 he returned to the Meadowlands to run 2nd in the Meadowlands Cup. Name him.

3) This NY-bred son of Seattle Slew won the '82 Young America. At 3 he also took the Meadowlands Cup and Paterson at the Meadowlands. In the Meadowlands Cup, the 2nd place finisher was the answer to (2). Also, the 3rd place finisher, Water Bank was out of Summertide, a half-sister to this horse. Name him.

4) Seattle Slew also sired the '83 Young America winner, who defeated Dr. Carter. The following season he won the Kentucky Derby and Belmont Stakes. Name him.

5) Script Ohio, a Darby Dan colt by Roberto, won the '84 Young America. In 2nd and 3rd respectively were the eventual Kentucky Derby and Preakness winners. Name them.

6) Eventual Belmont winner Danzig Connection and Champagne winner Mogambo, chased this Overbrook colt home in the '85 Young America. A nose loss in the subsequent BC Juvenile cost him an Eclipse as champion 2yo. Name him.

7) This Pleasant Colony colt took the '89 Young America. A bust at 3 in Florida, he was transferred to the West Coast at 4 under Neil Drysdale with some success, taking the Grade 1 Californian at Hollywood Park. Name him.

RolloTomasi 11-28-2010 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DaTruth (Post 728456)
Name the trainer. Hint, his wife was indicted by the feds the other day.

Gerald Romero.

The Indomitable DrugS 11-28-2010 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 728459)
Yet another lost stakes race of great significance

Young America Trivia

1) This son of Bold Bidder won the '78 Young America on his way to winning two-thirds of the Triple Crown. He returned to the Meadowlands at 3 to win the Meadowlands Cup. Name him.

2) This colt, champion 2yo in USA and Canada, took the '81 Young America over eventual Derby runner-up Laser Light. At 4 he returned to the Meadowlands to run 2nd in the Meadowlands Cup. Name him.

3) This NY-bred son of Seattle Slew won the '82 Young America. At 3 he also took the Meadowlands Cup and Paterson at the Meadowlands. In the Meadowlands Cup, the 2nd place finisher was the answer to (2). Also, the 3rd place finisher, Water Bank was out of Summertide, a half-sister to this horse. Name him.

4) Seattle Slew also sired the '83 Young America winner, who defeated Dr. Carter. The following season he won the Kentucky Derby and Belmont Stakes. Name him.

5) Script Ohio, a Darby Dan colt by Roberto, won the '84 Young America. In 2nd and 3rd respectively were the eventual Kentucky Derby and Preakness winners. Name them.

6) Eventual Belmont winner Danzig Connection and Champagne winner Mogambo, chased this Overbrook colt home in the '85 Young America. A nose loss in the subsequent BC Juvenile cost him an Eclipse as champion 2yo. Name him.

7) This Pleasant Colony colt took the '89 Young America. A bust at 3 in Florida, he was transferred to the West Coast at 4 under Neil Drysdale with some success, taking the Grade 1 Californian at Hollywood Park. Name him.

1. Spectacular Bid

2. Deputy Minister

3. Not Sure

4. Swale

5. Chief's Crown owned those horses at two. I think Spend a Buck and whoever won the Preakness

6. Storm Cat

7. Not Sure


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