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jms62 11-20-2010 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nascar1966 (Post 725806)
Trust me God has a nice spot already reserved for me in the blues skies. Im not a boy but a man.

^^^LOL This FU^CKING Racist Low life scum bag has another thing coming. If there is a god he burns for eternity.. Typical attitude. I go to church on Sunday thus everything I do the rest of the week doesn't count.

Riot 11-20-2010 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 725655)
i think every passenger should go thru the screener, their bags as well. don't like it, don't fly. no exceptions. that way, no one can say they were singled out, there's no racial profiling, and no one is skipped/missed. anyone can be a threat regardless of their looks.

I prefer Air Israel. Just a metal detector. And trained - TRAINED - people talking to every person flying. Twice.

Their profiling (from what they describe) hasn't much to do with physical, rather not making sense: "paid for ticket with cash", "one-way but short-term VISA gotten in 2nd country", etc.

dellinger63 11-20-2010 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 725873)
I prefer Air Israel. Just a metal detector. And trained - TRAINED - people talking to every person flying. Twice.

Their profiling (from what they describe) hasn't much to do with physical, rather not making sense: "paid for ticket with cash", "one-way but short-term VISA gotten in 2nd country", etc.

And Arabs get a 1rst, 2nd, 3rd, 4rth and etc check. But despite Israel being targeted they are the best. We can agree on that. :tro:

Too bad our President like Carter prefers the understanding and appreciation for the predator as opposed to the victim you pointed out a couple years ago. :eek:

I just HOPE America continues on its path for CHANGE because only a minority would and does think such crap you, Obama and Carter espouse to. :D

PS When is the last time El Al hand frisked a Catholic nun?

Nascar1966 11-21-2010 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 725836)
^^^LOL This FU^CKING Racist Low life scum bag has another thing coming. If there is a god he burns for eternity.. Typical attitude. I go to church on Sunday thus everything I do the rest of the week doesn't count.

Is it true that your worthless racist hippocrite @ss went trick or treating
As a Black Panther you racist b stard. Have fun when your worthless body
Of manure burns in hell.

Enjoy the rest of your weekend you worthless lump of manure.

BTW I don't to church. We know what happens when you ASSUME.
Nice to see you make an @ss out your worthless self. Your pathetic. LMAO

notyep59 11-21-2010 03:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nascar1966 (Post 725940)
Is it true that your worthless racist hippocrite @ss went trick or treating
As a Black Panther you racist b stard. Have fun when your worthless body
Of manure burns in hell.

Enjoy the rest of your weekend you worthless lump of manure.

BTW I don't to church. We know what happens when you ASSUME.
Nice to see you make an @ss out your worthless self. Your pathetic. LMAO

hey, little BOY.......this kind of talk should get your "reservation in the big blue sky" moved up to early bird status. i'm sure all your "friends" hope there is a heaven to escape the hell of you.

Nascar1966 11-21-2010 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by notyep59 (Post 725946)
hey, little BOY.......this kind of talk should get your "reservation in the big blue sky" moved up to early bird status. I am sure all your "friends" hope there is a heaven to escape the hell of you.

Are you related to JMS62? Seems like your are. Besides that he started it and I am
not going to let trash like JMS62 get away with it.

Have a nice day pre schooler. Try to learn your ABC'S.

notyep59 11-21-2010 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Nascar1966 (Post 725949)
Are you related to JMS62? Seems like your are. Besides that he started it and I am
not going to let trash like JMS62 get away with it.

Have a nice day pre schooler. Try to learn your ABC'S.

why are you arguing with a pre schooler that is smarter than you?? i'm arguing with you because i like arguing with stupid, racist, a$$holes

jms62 11-21-2010 05:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nascar1966 (Post 725949)
Are you related to JMS62? Seems like your are. Besides that he started it and I am
not going to let trash like JMS62 get away with it.

Have a nice day pre schooler. Try to learn your ABC'S.

I guess I am off your Ignore list... Now go back to your trailer and STFU.

Nascar1966 11-21-2010 05:37 AM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 725952)
I guess I am off your Ignore list... Now go back to your trailer and STFU.

Did your worthless racist @ss forget about the quote in the Nascar1966 fan club thread?
The one about me wearing a hood to a meeting. I'm sure you deleted it already you b stard.
I'm impressed you figure out I took you off my ignore you low life f cking trash. If you want me to STFU come find me j@ckass. I'm sure your not man enough to show up
by yourself.

Nascar1966 11-21-2010 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by notyep59 (Post 725950)
why are you arguing with a pre schooler that is smarter than you?? i'm arguing with you because i like arguing with stupid, racist, a$$holes

I love arguing with someone who isn't potty trained. Isn't time to get your diaper changed?
Isn't it time for you to suck on your bottle or pacifier. Be nice to your pre school teacher tomorrow.

SOREHOOF 11-21-2010 05:41 AM

Here's a good one.

http://www.redstate.com/erick/2010/1...r-tsa-outrage/

notyep59 11-21-2010 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Nascar1966 (Post 725958)
I love arguing with someone who isn't potty trained. Isn't time to get your diaper changed?
Isn't it time for you to suck on your bottle or pacifier. Be nice to your pre school teacher tomorrow.

alright, you've pushed me over the edge now.

you are just a worthless........



































DEMOCRAT!!!

Nascar1966 11-21-2010 05:53 AM

[quote=notyep59;725961]alright, you've pushed me over the edge now.

you are just a worthless........

Remember this quote from a movie Tom Cruise was in:

"You can't accept the truth"

:ave a nice day day. I'm starting my vacation in New Orleans in a little bit.
If you was of drinking age I might buy you a drink on Bourbon Street.

jms62 11-21-2010 06:09 AM

[quote=Nascar1966;725964]
Quote:

Originally Posted by notyep59 (Post 725961)
alright, you've pushed me over the edge now.

you are just a worthless........

Remember this quote from a movie Tom Cruise was in:
"You can't accept the truth"

:ave a nice day day. I'm starting my vacation in New Orleans in a little bit.
If you was of drinking age I might buy you a drink on Bourbon Street.

Too f<ucking stupid to remember the name of the movie and too f<ucking lazy to even google it.. You continue to amaze.

Princess Doreen 11-21-2010 08:02 AM

Not sure if this will get the topic back on topic. ;)

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...afafc0adcff1a9

TSA has met the enemy _ and they are us

(excerpts)

How did an agency created to protect the public become the target of so much public scorn?

After nine years of funneling travelers into ever longer lines with orders to have shoes off, sippy cups empty and laptops out for inspection, the most surprising thing about increasingly heated frustration with the federal Transportation Security Administration may be that it took so long to boil over.

Elliott said that better communication would probably win the TSA more cooperation. But the pushback suggests that a growing number of consumers, particularly frequent travelers, are questioning the premise at the heart of the agency's existence.

"I think at some point Americans said to themselves, maybe in their collective subconscious...there's a line here where it's not just worth it anymore," he said. "There's a growing sense that that line has been crossed."

For something funny on this subject, check out SNL's TSA "commercial"

http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2010/...ds-up-the-tsa/

joeydb 11-22-2010 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 725873)
I prefer Air Israel. Just a metal detector. And trained - TRAINED - people talking to every person flying. Twice.

Their profiling (from what they describe) hasn't much to do with physical, rather not making sense: "paid for ticket with cash", "one-way but short-term VISA gotten in 2nd country", etc.

I agree. Profiling works, that's why the Israelis use it, and we're not allowed to.

Seattleallstar 11-22-2010 10:45 AM

I am all for whatever keeps the airplane up. I dont mind scans, and i wish a female TSA agent would pat me down.

Riot 11-22-2010 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 726285)
I agree. Profiling works, that's why the Israelis use it, and we're not allowed to.

I've never heard anyone in the US talk about "profiling" for the same traits the Israelis do.

dellinger63 11-22-2010 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 726351)
I've never heard anyone in the US talk about "profiling" for the same traits the Israelis do.Of course I'm an ignorant biatch who is pro-Muslim at any price.

Despite their current anxieties, Americans also might balk at El Al-style ethnic profiling. Staff scrutinize the passengers' names, dividing them into low-risk (Israeli or foreign Jews), medium-risk (non-Jewish foreigners) and extremely high-risk travelers (anyone with an Arabic name). These people automatically are taken into a room for body and baggage checks and lengthy interrogation. Single women also are considered high-risk, for fear they might be used by Palestinian lovers to carry bombs.

To sift out who is who, screeners usually begin by asking passengers whether they understand any Hebrew, which most Jews do. Officials argue that such blatant discrimination is necessary.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/sept11/...-usat.htm#more

jms62 11-22-2010 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 726359)
Despite their current anxieties, Americans also might balk at El Al-style ethnic profiling. Staff scrutinize the passengers' names, dividing them into low-risk (Israeli or foreign Jews), medium-risk (non-Jewish foreigners) and extremely high-risk travelers (anyone with an Arabic name). These people automatically are taken into a room for body and baggage checks and lengthy interrogation. Single women also are considered high-risk, for fear they might be used by Palestinian lovers to carry bombs.

To sift out who is who, screeners usually begin by asking passengers whether they understand any Hebrew, which most Jews do. Officials argue that such blatant discrimination is necessary.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/sept11/...-usat.htm#more

The problem in this country is political correctness is more desirable than avoiding another 911. Pretty sad IMHO..

dellinger63 11-22-2010 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 726361)
The problem in this country is political correctness is more desirable than avoiding another 911. Pretty sad IMHO..

It could be worse. Riot could be in the majority and then muslims would be on the honor system.

Riot 11-22-2010 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 726361)
The problem in this country is political correctness is more desirable than avoiding another 911. Pretty sad IMHO..

I think it's that we will not put the money, intelligence and training into it.

Air Israel uses college-educated, multi-lingual, trained professionals that pursue a direct line of questioning and are trained to observe and interpret a subject's responses. That is where they excel. Not on picking out Arabic names. It's where did you get the VISA, why in a secondary country, why a one-way ticket on a temporary VISA, what are you going for, who are you traveling with, why did you pay cash for your ticket, why is your passport new, etc.

We use minimum wage, GED equivalents. No wonder our best answer to a shoe bomber (who looked like any other black American, but stood out like a sore thumb fitting the "classic" traveling terrorist questioning) is "Everyone take off your shoes".

Riot 11-22-2010 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 726366)
It could be worse. Riot could be in the majority and then muslims would be on the honor system.

Only in your imaginary world of Muslim hate.

I'll bet you don't get the irony of being you: I mean, aside from your habit of just making up ridiculous false crap about other people as you go (okay, we get that reality or truth doesn't matter to you), watching you hating Muslims, but then seeing you start a thread, your point being you using a foreign-born Muslim as complete and final validation of the US healthcare system <vbg>

As I said, no, I've not seen anyone in the US propose to profile as Air Israel does. Wish we would. Mostly it seems "we" want to profile based upon religion and whatever name a person gives. Because some of us think, "they" are all alike.

In other words, there is profiling against "terrorists" (the El Al approach) and profiling against, "Muslims!" or "Arabs!". I'll take the first approach any day.

dellinger63 11-22-2010 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 726370)
Only in your imaginary world of Muslim hate.

I'll bet you don't get the irony of being you: I mean, aside from your habit of just making up ridiculous false crap about other people as you go (okay, we get that reality or truth doesn't matter to you), watching you hating Muslims, but then seeing you start a thread, your point being you using a foreign-born Muslim as complete and final validation of the US healthcare system <vbg>

As I said, no, I've not seen anyone in the US propose to profile as Air Israel does. Wish we would. Mostly it seems "we" want to profile based upon religion and whatever name a person gives. Because some of us think, "they" are all alike.

Then we agree like Israel we should profile and single out muslim names for extra security/scrutiny?

BTW My point of using the King of Saudi Arabia had nothing to do with the fact he's muslim (other than he may be traveling with one or more wives and a belief that no one shall touch any of them in his presence) and everything to do with the man having limitless resources and the ability to choose any country in the world for treatment. With the muslim sensitivity filter on extra high you are unable to see that.

jms62 11-22-2010 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 726368)
I think it's that we will not put the money, intelligence and training into it.

Air Israel uses college-educated, multi-lingual, trained professionals that pursue a direct line of questioning and are trained to observe and interpret a subject's responses. That is where they excel. Not on picking out Arabic names. It's where did you get the VISA, why in a secondary country, why a one-way ticket on a temporary VISA, what are you going for, who are you traveling with, why did you pay cash for your ticket, why is your passport new, etc.

We use minimum wage, GED equivalents. No wonder our best answer to a shoe bomber (who looked like any other black American, but stood out like a sore thumb fitting the "classic" traveling terrorist questioning) is "Everyone take off your shoes".

You are also right... Save a buck at all costs. This is another problem with this country. Greed at the top.

Riot 11-22-2010 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 726376)
Then we agree like Israel we should profile and single out muslim names for extra security/scrutiny?

BTW My point of using the King of Saudi Arabia had nothing to do with the fact he's muslim (other than he may be traveling with one or more wives and a belief that no one shall touch any of them in his presence) and everything to do with the man having limitless resources and the ability to choose any country in the world for treatment. With the muslim sensitivity filter on extra high you are unable to see that.

I don't know whether to lob your gratuitious , "ignorant biatch" comment back at you (your tendency to lob flaming bags of dog shiat at people you disagree with doesn't garner you any respect for your debate skills), or just point out that no, you - once again - mischaracterized or misunderstood what I said. Go back and read it again. I added a little something about "profile terrorists" (which I am in favor of, as El Al does) vs "profile Muslims/Arabs" (which would have missed the shoe bomber, thus I am not)

And yes, I know your point about the Saudi king wasn't about him being Muslim. That's the "irony of being you" part <g>

SOREHOOF 11-22-2010 09:39 PM

Give everyone who boards a Tazer. People will be on their best behavior. There are probably more good guys on the plane than bad guys. At least the kids on the flight will be more inclined to behave. It's not just Mom who's gonna taze ya if ya don't shut up, that big old lady 2 seats back is gonna let ya have it.

dellinger63 11-23-2010 08:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 726393)
Go back and read it again. I added a little something about "profile terrorists" (which I am in favor of, as El Al does) vs "profile Muslims/Arabs" (which would have missed the shoe bomber, thus I am not) <g>

Does Israel have some secret list that contain terrorist Arabic names as opposed to regular Arabic names? If you go back a re-read what I cited Israel profiles based on ethnicity first (arabic names) and then interogation second. We would do well to follow the same and stop patting down 5 yr. old boys.

Princess Doreen 11-23-2010 05:37 PM

If every woman showed up in a string bikini and flip flops and every man in a SPEEDO and flip flops, I bed those pat downs would go lickety split.

Just sayin':D

Riot 11-23-2010 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 726548)
Does Israel have some secret list that contain terrorist Arabic names as opposed to regular Arabic names? If you go back a re-read what I cited Israel profiles based on ethnicity first (arabic names) and then interogation second. We would do well to follow the same and stop patting down 5 yr. old boys.

Your reading understanding is truely unique. Re-read the rest of that American newspaper article. (probably better for you to to go off and find one of the recent interviews on American TV with ex-El Al security people). Yes, of course they use profiling, but it's much more than only names, or specifically names. You do realize I would guess (as does El Al) that if you profile based only on names, all terrorists have to do is ... use an alias. It's the sophistication of their questioning that is most important.

Yes, Dell, I am all in favor of profiling terrorists. There isn't much point to profiling "Muslims"

Riot 11-23-2010 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SOREHOOF (Post 726506)
Give everyone who boards a Tazer. People will be on their best behavior. There are probably more good guys on the plane than bad guys. At least the kids on the flight will be more inclined to behave. It's not just Mom who's gonna taze ya if ya don't shut up, that big old lady 2 seats back is gonna let ya have it.

Today on some Southwest flight, a flier found a full ammunition clip on the floor.

They investigated, seems it was left behind after a previous flight by some police officer.

What's the emoticon for "shaking one's head in disbelief"? Or maybe, "Gawd help us"

dellinger63 11-23-2010 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 726640)
Your reading understanding is truely unique. Re-read the rest of that American newspaper article. (probably better for you to to go off and find one of the recent interviews on American TV with ex-El Al security people). Yes, of course they use profiling, but it's much more than only names, or specifically names. You do realize I would guess (as does El Al) that if you profile based only on names, all terrorists have to do is ... use an alias. It's the sophistication of their questioning that is most important.

Yes, Dell, I am all in favor of profiling terrorists. There isn't much point to profiling "Muslims"

read again and FOCUS....."and extremely high-risk travelers (anyone with an Arabic name). "

OK I should have used ALL who have arabic names as opposed to Muslims. Cause Muhamad Al Kalim the Christian should be included as well. So let's leave the word MUSLIM off the table and instead insert ARABIC. I'm good with that. Barack Obama could be one of those names LOL

dellinger63 11-23-2010 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 726643)
Today on some Southwest flight, a flier found a full ammunition clip on the floor.

They investigated, seems it was left behind after a previous flight by some police officer.

What's the emoticon for "shaking one's head in disbelief"? Or maybe, "Gawd help us"


yea blame those dirty cops. :wf

joeydb 11-23-2010 06:52 PM

Quote:

If every woman showed up in a string bikini and flip flops and every man in a SPEEDO and flip flops, I bed those pat downs would go lickety split.

This IS the answer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9vcIVAw_3I

Riot 11-23-2010 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 726654)
read again and FOCUS....."and extremely high-risk travelers (anyone with an Arabic name). "

OK I should have used ALL who have arabic names as opposed to Muslims. Cause Muhamad Al Kalim the Christian should be included as well. So let's leave the word MUSLIM off the table and instead insert ARABIC. I'm good with that. Barack Obama could be one of those names LOL

Who do you think is going to be targeted by security right now? Some guy out of Saudi, or Yemen?

Riot 11-23-2010 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 726655)
yea blame those dirty cops. :wf

For what? Other than this particular one for being so stupid, he lost his full ammo clip?

But it's also interesting to note what can be left on an airplane after a flight, and nobody even apparently looks on the floor. You do realize that ammunition can be used to cause blasts, right?

dellinger63 11-23-2010 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 726675)
Who do you think is going to be targeted by security right now? Some guy out of Saudi, or Yemen?

apparantly 5 yr old white boys, nuns and guys who want their junk left alone. In another words by lottery. TSA needs to be privately run and we'd be 100X better tommorow.

Of course I realize I'm trying to explain this to a woman who still supports the USPO. ie. a kitchen table

Riot 11-23-2010 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 726683)
apparantly 5 yr old white boys, nuns and guys who want their junk left alone. In another words by lottery. TSA needs to be privately run and we'd be 100X better tommorow.

Of course I realize I'm trying to explain this to a woman who still supports the USPO. ie. a kitchen table

Nobody mentioned white children and nuns. Are you simply incapable of talking about national security concerns in any context or depth other than, "I hate me some Muslims!"?

dellinger63 11-23-2010 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 726678)
For what? Other than this particular one for being so stupid, he lost his full ammo clip?

But it's also interesting to note what can be left on an airplane after a flight, and nobody even apparently looks on the floor. You do realize that ammunition can be used to cause blasts, right?

yea we tried it as kids. Not a bing bang trust me. But guess that's why hacksaw blades aren't allowed on flights? To keep those terrorists from finding a cop's clip on the floor and making a gun powder bomb in the bathroom. Of course he'll have to have an accomplice smuggle a lighter as well. Let's profile cops! :zz:

Riot 11-23-2010 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 726686)
yea we tried it as kids. Not a bing bang trust me. But guess that's why hacksaw blades aren't allowed on flights? To keep those terrorists from finding a cop's clip on the floor and making a gun powder bomb in the bathroom. Of course he'll have to have an accomplice smuggle a lighter as well. Let's profile cops! :zz:

But it's also interesting to note what can be left on an airplane after a flight, and nobody even apparently looks on the floor.


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