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And BTW, I wasn't arguing --y tu ??? |
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We're all in mad love with that mare, but c'mon, Blame earned that. It's not Zenyatta's fault, it's not Mike Smith's fault. She's just as amazing whether she won it or not, but the horse that finished in front of her had a legitimate stake in HOTY going in. The Mosses could've gotten that for her, but it's all the eggs in one basket approach that backfired. As the Mig said, it's not just that dirt hit her in the face, it's that the speed of it was that much harder since there were a lot of horses and some were much faster than the fields from before. They took a risk, and it almost worked, but you gotta give credit where it's due. He gets it. Someone made a Tara Lipinski/Michelle Kwan comparison with Blame and Zenyatta. As a Kwan fan, it's actually one that makes sense to me, but I have to point out that Michelle being the total package and one of our finest American athletes ever doesn't mean she gets the gold medal if that particular set of performances doesn't beat Tara's on the scoreboard. It's bad luck, someone else had the better day, peaked at the right time, and got the prize. |
And people were naive enough to think that once Zenyatta lost, the Zenyattardism was going to die down!
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If Blame's campaign was chickensh.it, what was Zenyatta's?
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Everbody's was , is what I was saying--hence no dawrfing . |
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By then, I expect all of the rest of us to have taken each others lives in a mass suicide pact. BONZAI! |
Uncle Mo's campaign was not chickenshit at all.
And yes, he is great. At least what he's done so far is. I'm not sure there is a difference. |
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and i love the delicious irony involved here...with people criticizing blame for being lightly raced, or with him winning on his 'home track'. lmao....where's all that criticism been regarding a certain other lightly raced horse who's made exactly one trip west of the mississippi?? |
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I'm not saying that is right, but that is how it has been for decades. If both of their campaigns sucked, which I'm not even sure I agree with, then the deciding factor should be head to head. I know it was a head, but Blame beat Zenyatta. He defeated better horses and won the head to head matchup. |
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I really get that he won, but I really do feel she ran a better race. As for the males vs females in the HOY choices, of course Azeri got it ibecause there was no stickout male, and Busher got it on her own. Historically--if you have been around as long as I have , one could say both campaigns and QRs sucked because they were infrequent and spaced and carefully selected--but I didn't say they sucked . This is what we get these days, and it does make it a little difficult with less information and actual seeing these guys on track with these programs. In the old days, you truly got a better pictures of who was who because we saw them more, they raced more, and they did take more risks . Even so, HOY decsions were not always universally approved either . I still don't know what those rules are for HOY, and that was my main b*tch . Thank you for your civility .. |
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Your opinion and off topic again . Next . |
The sport of horse racing is dying. Zenyatta put fans in the stands, raced her heart out and should win HOY. BRING HER BACK NEXT YEAR AND CREATE A MEDIA EVENT ALL AROUND THE COUNTRY TO SAVE HORSE RACING. Big Z can save racing no other horse can.
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If you read all my posts--and don't do me any favors--you might realize that I wasn't arguing HOY on your terms, I was saying the qualifications for HOY are subjective, and Blame dwarfed no one . Taht is is .. It can't be any simpler . Really . The original post indicated that I was taking umbrage in the fact that there were no set RULES for determining HOY--WTF ... If I was justify anything,I was trying to justify subjectivity in the term accomplishment . I really really can not make myself plainer ... Any further queries will convince me I am dealing with a mammoth pudenda .. That can't be right, can it ??? . |
The structure of your posts really reflects the your presence here. Unnecessary space and a lot of words to really say nothing. There's no way you can twist Zenyatta's year into being on par with Blame's. Period. By any measure. So your 'HOY is subjective' point has no relevance here. I'm not arguing with a tard like you who has nothing worthwhile to say and just wants to antagonize people who know more than you.
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Edit - On second thought I think Blame should get it, but it's close. |
I honestly can't believe the HOY debate is beginning, I thought it ended Saturday.
Best race by each was the classic and Blame beats Zenyatta. No matter the margin, the photo says he hit the wire first. ADVANTAGE BLAME Race #2. Blame's Whitney win over QR, Musket, et al or Zenyatta's Vanity win over St. Trinians (who was hurt if you want to use the Battle Plan argument later). The Whitney was the best field of the year before the classic. ADVANTAGE BLAME Race #3 Blame's Foster win over Battle Plan or Zenyatta's -what? Apple Blossom? The Foster wasn't a deep field, but Zenyatta's races after the aforementioned were so poor in quality it's hard to determine which field of allowance horses was better. The Foster is one of the most prestigious G1 races for older horses in America. ADVANTAGE BLAME Races #4,5 Who knows at this point? Neither beat much or you could say Blame's JC Gold Cup loss gives the edge to Zenyatta. ADVANTAGE ZENYATTA for not losing. In a nutshell, Blame won the two best races of the year and his only loss was in an open G1. Zenyatta's lone loss is better than Blame's, but his two great wins make it easy to see who deserves recognition. |
DrugS and CSC in perfect agreement on the HOTY discussion. That should tell someone something.
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I put the over/under on total number of votes Uncle Mo gets for Horse of the Year at 1.5 |
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One thing I will add, Goldikova should not be HOY if anyone has any ideas.
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My haterd for turf sprint races knows no bounds. If they ever give an eclipse for Champion Turf Sprinter - I would abstain from using my non-existant vote every year. |
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I hate the idea of these soft, selective, extra well spaced campaigns as much as the next guy, but I think we are going to have to get used to it.
Many trainers believe that spacing maximizes the chances of keeping a horse fresh for a full year and that really fast and tough races wear a horse down. Since the BC is now such a huge target, that gives them ample motivation to look for easy spots, to skip races, and to avoid tough ones. They also have opportunity to do so because there are many stakes around the country to look for those easier spots. I'm not sure which of the two is the better horse based on the Classic. I'm still looking at the replay of the start of the race and other things. But I'm a huge Zenyatta fan and think being this good on two surfaces is rather mind boggling, but I'd still vote for Blame. The precedent is to vote the best older male unless the division wasn't sorted out or was very weak and someone else was a monster. It's also not typical to make a lot of subjective judgments about pace, trip, bias etc... and evaluate horses that way. Usually whoever wins on the track gets the edge. |
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Blind Luck. Even in defeat.
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Now I'm seeing the "Zenyatta's going to the Hall of Fame, but Blame isn't, so Zenyatta is obviously HOTY" arguments coming along. That's a juicy one. I bet we could easily find a dozen examples of horses losing HOTY to non-HOF horses and still going to the HOF.
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I think Boys at Tosconova should win the Eclipse for best 2yo, since he ran second in the BC race.
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