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Monipenny, you do have some great points. I don't remember ever insulting Lukas's work ethic or committment. I have read the book on Charismatic and Lukas is quoted in there many times as saying how he missed the boat and screwed up with Charismatic. How he didn't think he was that good and had been concentrating on his other horses.
You wanted some facts on horses breaking down, well Richi just got done telling you some insurance companies won't even touch his horses. You think Pletcher and others have that problem? His also noted hsi 2 year olds were taking steroids. I'm sure that has nothing to do with all his breakdowns or the fact that he never had any talent training with older horses. Listen, this guy has had many accomplishments, but blindly supporting him like you and others are doing is riduculous. |
Also, why has no Lukas supporter offered up a real reason that this guy has been terrible the past few years? Don't give me his sons injury. THis was very trajic, buy many great trainers and coaches have had bad things happen and their life and none of them have gone from a 30% winner to a 5% winner.
The way I see it there are a couple possible explanations. Lukas isn't getting near the quality of horses he used to. I don't think anyone would argue with this, but that really makes all of his accomplishments look like they only occurred because he had all the money for all the best horses. Or, he was ahead of the time on the pharmacy end of the sport and everyone caught up. If this is the case it makes all his accomplishments look like they were based on chemicals not his talent. Don't tell me it's his age. If that was true, we would see a gradual downfall ove r the years not this. Plus many great trainers have continued to be great at his age. SO why does he suddenly struggle so bad? |
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who am i moni? who the hell are you? certainly one who is blind LOL! a big dog? nothing i claim to be but i am a racehorseowner and i also select horses to claim for other owners in my trainers barn, i do have some involvement in this industry. do i imply oj is guilty? guilty as sin. you had a racist cop, a prosecutor named marcia clark who was banging one of the other prosecutors during the trial instead of doing her job and a city that was afriad of another rodney king type riot, thats why oj wasnt convicted in the CRIMINAL trial! he was convicted rather quickly in the civil trial however. barry bonds the greatest baseball player ever? LMFAO you get more hilarious by the minute? hell dumba$$(since you like calling names) he ADMITTED to using the creme and claims he thought it was for"arthritis"........LOL damn your as gullible as barry foolishly expected the public to believe. the year he hooks up with the balco guy is the year he breaks the home run record..............again youre blind! jeff you wanna call me a hyppocrite? well since you relike to call old posts of mine from the espn board the summer pval and julie were riding and competing against each on a daily basis ata extremely high level i was personally rooting for pval. i was rooting for the man to finally overcome all of his demons permanently. unfortunately that didnt happen and he pulled his MIA act and lied etc etc etc. hes been givin one too many chances, more than a "average" rider would. how many people would give a rats a$$ about pval if he couldnt ride, my guess is very few. well with the idiocy of some1 i dont know and some who i considers friends attacking me i guess its about time for me to head out to arlington and spend some time with the horses in the barn(always makes me feel better whether its a good or bad day) and hopefully watch the barn win a race. enjoy the rest of your day people |
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Playa I am a friend but you have beating on Lukas for years and always bring back the Antley thing. YOU are just wrong, even Somer tried to explain it to you. The guy took hours of interview footage, and cut out 90% of it. He showed the disparaging remarks about Antley not bonding with the horse(perhaps you forgot that while riding Strike The gold for Zito he missed a workout one morning, bringing the same exact criticism from Zito). They didn't show the part of the interview where Lukas praised Antley for his fine rides and credited him with saving the horses life. The guy who made the interview admitted all of this, it was public. Its tiring dude, if you wanna hate someone go for it, but noone cares about the Antley thing because the rest of us know that the interview that was SHOWN wasnt the full story, and thats not Waynes fault.\ I don't disagree with much you say, but on this one I always will disagree and speak out. Its not personal. |
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and yes, i do think CA ditched his family. he was an addict, and he wasn't strong enough to overcome it. do i think he intended to DIE? no. but his actions led to his demise, to his wife being a widow, and his child born already half an orphan. saving a horse no more makes antley a hero than running thousand yard seasons made oj a good person! and i KNEW richi would show up in this thread. funny, i was just reading in bloodhorse about the rampant steroid use by so many trainers. as for hendricks..a lot of trainers get the good horse. that's luck. lukas had a ton of them, that's skill. also, i must be an *******, i don't feel bad for drivers of two mercedes either. |
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I live here in Cali and the whole C.A. thing is old, the whole time Chris was on T.V. being interviewed about him kicking his "demons" after he won the Derby was such crap its unreal . I was at a party that he was at about a week after he won the Preakness , the guy was so ripped when he walked in the door that he was there 5 mins and started a fight with Matt Garcia over some 17 yr. old girl that he thought was his "date". That being said, I do believe Chris met with foul play regarding his death, there were just to many things that didnt make sense and not nearly enough investigating of the people that were on his property when he was found dead. As for Lukas , you can respect him for his ability to get one ready and ruin one quicker than anybody , nobody has ever done a finer job. |
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Wayne Lukas has accomplished alot of things that most likely wont be repeated in my lifetime......still doesnt mean I like the way he trains,thats just me. To wish someone bad luck is inviting your own karma. |
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Honu, When I was younger and stupid, I was stewing over someone and wishing them bad luck. My very wise mentor, a trainer, looked at me and said "Mike, you don't ever have to wish someone bad in life. If they are truly a bad guy they will dig their own hole, and the Lord will help them dig". I never forgot that, ever. And its a good lesson. |
"Mike, you don't ever have to wish someone bad in life. If they are truly a bad guy they will dig their own hole, and the Lord will help them dig"
Finally someone offers an explanation as to why Lukas has hit the SHI#$ER over the last few years. |
Someone I know in the industry can't stand Lukas.
He told me a story about one of his friends and a fellow owner sending a horse to D. Wayne. He asked they guy, "Why in the world would you send a horse to Lukas.?" The guy said, "Hey, say all you want about Lukas. But the simple fact is that with him training one you find out what you have really quick. It doesn't seem like Lukas will string owners along and milk the day rates under the guise of "taking care of the horse." He will run the **** out of them, and if they can't cut it, it's time to get rid of them. At least you know what kind of horse you have with this guy. If your horse sucks, you will know it soon enough." I'm not sure if this is right or not, but just an alternative opinion. |
yeah jeff a good friend does point out a friends faults 2 him or her but i stated a opinion my own and personally i dont feel its off base like you and some others think. debbie lol i was teasin ya bout gary but after chris died he also felt his life was threatened and hired personal body guards. ive already stated my opinions and nobody wanted 2 reply to this 1 but the comments luka$$ made after jockey confirmed to me that he will never change from being a self centered a$ s hole, all he cares about is himself
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Actually I like the little jabs. And I don't really care how you feel about Lukas. There's a certain trainer I can't stand, and I won't mention about him here. But as for referencing Lukas as Luka$$, this belongs back on the Espn Boards not here
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[quote=seconditis]Asmussen, Pletcher and others have just as many horses and 1/10th of the amount of horses breaking down as D.Wayne has over the years.
I agree with the Lukas "doubters" on this thread. I would not however use Pletcher as the poster child. I am a So Fla. local who has been going to Gulfstream Park 10x per meet for the past 15 years. When he first "separated" from Lukas he had a "significant" number of horses break down his 1st couple years training at Gulfstream. I can honestly say that I have seen more TP horses break down live than any other trainer (including the 5K claiming garbage I get at Calder the rest of the year). That being said for the most recentl years, I would say his record has been pretty astounding (for not destroying horses that is). Maybe he has wisened over the years (and is taking strides to be more conservative with his stock than his prior boss). I am a data guy and unfortunately don't have any data to back the TP historical statements above up. Take them as you will. |
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