cannon, as a trainer, do you think there is a possibility she has to be pampered
or is it a case of them being so hung up on the win streak they just decided to take the least amount of chances?

right???? this is where i laugh out loud. theres probably half a dozen connections that feel they deserve horse of the year. happens every year. anyone that follows racing knows this horse is in the running. so what if the guy says they deserve it......its some kind of a crime....i guess.....who cares? then these people come up with all kinds of crap...."oh shes not running next month"..."punch him in the face" and all the absolutely brilliant responses...i thought most of the morons hung out in that political thread....i was wrong. then they are making fun of the guy thats not popular....who cares again? thats a badge of honor with the garbage i'm reading here.....lol

Chuck I respect your opinion as someone who has made a successful career in this industry. My comments about a dying sport and need for more starpower were not articulated well. My basic idea is that I am a 31yo sales and marketing professional, who attends CD regularly and gambles over 250 days a year. If I ran my business the same way the leaders of your industry run theirs I would be living on the streets of Shivley! They DON'T get it. I know this is nothing new to you or most on DT, but instead of the greed giant that is Kee charging $10 to park, $5 to enter, etc, etc, etc I wish people would focus on how to promote an undefeated star to the audiences that don't spend every spare minute combing sites, blogs, forms, etc to get our facing fix, ie the casual Saturday afternoon fan. I love this sport and have a passion for it and I have exactly ONE friend my age who feels the same and we live in Central KY, the supposed mecca of the sport. What does that say? Nothing to us, because we already know, but Sausage Man Evans or Nicholson refuse to listen because all they care about is MORE MORE MORE. This is a rambling mess and there was supposed to be a comment about promoting Zenyatta somewhere, obviously I am not as eloquent as I need to be! Good day.

Grade 1 winner and winning streak? go figure:zz:

Option 2

I agree with most of what you are saying. But the industry's ills are never going to be solved because there is a really good horse that is promoted well. You are 100% correct in suggesting that greed has done a lot of damage to this sport (and not just on the part of the tracks). What I dont understand is why we aren't promting the fact that you can bring a little bit of money to the track and leave with alot. Horses have a short shelf life and in the majority of cases always did. Zenyatta will soon be forgotten by most. But a guy who wins 5k at the track ? He will be back. I guarantee that. The pretty horse people? Yeah they will follow a bit after the retirement of their current love but they will look to find some reason (whips, drugs, PG1985, etc) not to follow the game soon afterwards.

your post, and another i saw recently by someone else, makes me wonder why some bother coming here? why do people hang around DT if it's so insufferable?

as for zenyatta, what has she done this year that's HOY material? she didn't win 19 races this year. she won a few vs lackluster competition in restricted races. how does that make her eligible?

Need to make it easier to do that. That's not being done. So, don't expect any improvement (until it changes.) Take-out must be slashed. Could start by not giving out 180k to the horse who beats only 5 other horses. Right now, Craps has the %. You've got the game, but they've got the better deal. That difference needs to be reduced. The reason the sport struggles is easy to state: Insufficient reward for the difficulty of the task.

Scuds is right "Insufficient reward for the difficulty of the task.". The industry is doomed to fail when it is impossible to own a horse and make a profit.

Hell you dont even have a fighting chance at breaking even when you have a horse in training and racing, so what are you going to load in the starting gate as the old racing families pass away as they are now? Who is going to replace them with large stables?

I think she backs out of the BCC too.

"She’s going to go off to the pasture and she’s either 19-for-20 or 20-for-20. I think she’s going to be okay.”

Yup... sounds like they are telegraphing a clear message that they plan to back out :rolleyes:

I have a moped I'd like to sell you, it's only $37,875!! ROCK (lay off them) bottom price!

Just to keep such a HUGE horse from being hurt is a feat in its self and I wonder if she would still be racing if she were on dirt.(her best surface)

Quite honestly, I've been saying the same things as John Shirreffs all year and don't really have a major problem with the handling. IMO had she been east coast based and stayed home and faced just mares even though there was better racing outside of NY, no one would be saying a thing.

IMO there is one major issue that makes this debate so heated.

People have very strong and different opinions about synthetic racing in general, the quality of racing in CA overall, how best to measure the ability of synthetic horses because the racing is so different than dirt racing, and how to compare synthetic (or even turf horses) to dirt horses on a relative basis.

The problem for them this year is that the CA mare division was atrocious other than St Trinians and no one showed up at the Apple Blossom. So she beat absolutely nothing all year. It's impossible to make a case for HOTY in 2010 unless they win the Classic or run an outstanding race and finish ahead of all the other contenders for the title and the winner is a major upset.

:tro::tro::tro:
But I bet there may be a horse or two at Canterbury that could do her in.:eek:

IMO there is one major issue that makes this debate so heated.

Most people LOVE to HATE.

Its a character flaw, due to poor breeding.

QR, Blame and Lookin At Luckys resumes are all good enough to win HOY if they win the Classic.

I think Z is 5-10 lenghts faster/better on any surface. Funny BL finds ways to lose. I think at least twice this year? Her wins are Kinda like Zenyatta, barley wins half the time.

I agree with most of your points, but.... For a while Rail Trip was the highest mountain out there, sure the connections are lame and should have won the Pacific Classic, but whatever... A lot of people really liked Rail Trip, and thought he would move way up on dirt, BTW being one of them.....What Rail Trip has done since, should not take away from his form when they did duck him. Win the Classic and still not be HOY, that is totally absurd. The group is deep, all the major players will be there.... If she runs 2-3 and anyone but QR, Blame, L@L win it, she still might be HOY.

I'm thinking it's like the use of foreshadowing in film.

It could mean if she loses the BC but it could, in Zenyattaspeak*, mean something else.


* TM pending. :D

Well aren't you in a pissy mood today.

I don't want to pick on anyone specifically but ummm do we really need posts explaining why there's division? Why it gets so heated?

I have no idea what this thread is about (nor do I want to read it) but Terrell Owens tweeted photos of him and Zenyaddayaddayadda:

http://plixi.com/p/51326944?ref=nf

Looks like she's bleeding profusely through those front bandages.

Is that blood?? I'm sure there's a logical explanation.

Halloween costume.

It's cayenne pepper.

Not sure how it could be. Here's a shot from the front: http://plixi.com/p/51327482 Sure seems like it was purposeful. Otherwise why would it be splotchy on top and stripped down below...was it a bizarre attempt at decoration?

It is Cayenne Pepper... It is used on the bandages to keep the horses from ripping them off..

Ah, thanks. It sure looks weird. I figured there's no way it's blood because she'd be in a vet's care, not posing with Terrell Owens, if there was actually an injury to both fronts with that much bleeding.

How about that, same treatment as a nickel claimer. I would've thought her communication skills would be far superior than the average horse.

I laughed, keeps the squirrels out of the bird seed too.

They were ducking Rail Trip. I don't care how good he looked, it's Rail Trip. It was ridiculous then and even more so now. But that is what they do. What was so special about his form before that makes it logical to duck him? Because he could run a little?

Sorry, I don't believe in rewarding ducking and making 1 real start per year. You do and I find that absurd.

I dont think HOY is about who you duck and race. If she wins she is still undefeated and will have defeated the best group of the year. She also showed up at Oaklawn.

:tro:

BL has been beating better horses than Z all year. I am a fan of both horses. I strongly disagree that Z is that much faster at all. There is no evidence at all that would make that believable. It is an opinion that will never be proven though, so you are entitled. Sad that BL's best is 10F and she likely won't get to do it again.

Z is going in the Classic. Rachel faced males as a 3yr old last year. Why is BL not going in the Classic then?

Frankly I wish she were. Might get beat but it would show some balls. She looks like a really small filly though. Maybe next year. Nice to keep a traveler, running all over the country, beating all kinds on all different surfaces.

Oh she showed up at Oaklawn? Give her the award....forget the BC. Just give it to her now.