Lovely 5-hit CG shutout for Hollywood

Yet another post-season pitching gem…

Last game for Bobby Cox. As fine a manager as baseball has seen in the last forty years.

Complete nonsense. Has anyone done less with more in history? He was in the playoffs every year it seems and had an exit every year. 1 championship? Horrendous. Similar to the Mets underachievement during the 80's.

A manager doesn't magically make Hitters hit and pitchers unhittable in the world series.

A good manager helps keep a team together over 162 games + playoffs and puts them in a position to win.

What more could he do? They spent money but it wasn't exactly a new York payroll.

Somehow, in today's world unless you win it all, it's nothing. That was not a very good baseball team that played the Giants, that they were even there with the injuries and everything else was an achievement. (Or speaks to just how bad the NL is outside one team!)

You make some seriously uninformed statements (I could say stupid but I am being nice) but this one is close to the top.

"He was in the playoffs every year" is now an underachievement? They won 15 straight division titles. There are 32 teams in baseball. What are the odds that another team wins 15 in a row ever?

How many position players that played for Bobby Cox all those years are headed for the Hall of Fame?

One.

He has had some really good players but the idea that most years the Braves were overloaded with talent outside of Maddux, Glavine and Smoltz is mistaken. He was usually saddled with bullpens bought on the cheap and often made the playoffs with 2 or sometimes 3 players who were below average players in the starting line up.
Robert Fick, Keith Lockhart, Eddie Perez, Rico Brogna, Quilvio Veras, Walt Weiss, Gerald Williams, Michael Tucker, Tony Graffinino, Mark Lemke, etc were all starters at some point during the 15 straight seasons.

Pitching wins championships. He had multiple Hall of Famers on his staff for a decade. You answer your own statement. 15 divisions and 1 WS win. Is Marv Levy a great coach? Solid, but one of the best ever? C'mon now.

And the original post said Cox was basically the best manager of the past 40 years?...No way.

Who is better?

Man that's a blast from the past.

Gardenhire sucks too.

Of course, I say to myself, this is also the guy who claimed that Kyle Kendrick was a good pitcher...

Average, not good. But besides that, I wait until someone hits 30 to see what becomes of them.

Only 1 dog won of the 4....Hate to say Yanks Phils here but it seems like what everyone would wants to see.

Bobby Cox = Marv Levy

I think Bobby Cox = Bill Cowher.

if BC=ML and BCox=BCower


does it not hold true ,then, that ML=BCower?

Maybe Marv Levy = Morte' Schottenheimer?

:mad:

Schottenheimer was a fool.

There you go again Clyde making everything a Math issue

Having looked at the numbers I think you are 100% correct.

!!OOOOOOOOOO!!



That is because Meth..I mean Mess is an issue everyone would like to have adjucated.

baseball and football are apples and oranges. The role of a manager in baseball and a head football coach are completely different and the two really shouldn't be compared.

If the comparison is in the sense of having a team consistently winning but not winning the title, then comparing to Marv Levy isn't really fair either. Bobby Cox won Manager of the year at least once in the 80's, 90's and 2000's. His teams won 14 straight division titles. Levy's bills were good for about 7 years and really good for 4 and Levy Never won a super bowl...although that doesn't impact my opinion that he was a good coach.

Cox was lifetime 500 games over.500. He is the fourth winningest manager in baseball history.

Over the last forty years, who was better? And if someone was better, what makes that manager better? More world series?

Eric Wedge is close

I'd go with Mike Hargrove. Without him cox and leyland would have zero combined championships! He's better because he made them genius'

You think I would disagree with your tongue in Thebby---whoa!! ..I mean cheek remark?




No one has brought up Al Lopez.

40's and 50's,but most probably never heard of him like they probably have McGraw and some of the really old ones.

But a manager's ability to do so is always a function of team talent...in a large part,anyway.

As if we needed any more proof that CL is a scary good money pitcher...

Clyde Lee=Exhausto Carmona

CL = ZL





(Clyde Lee = Zenyatta Lover) :D

I don't think it's horrendous, but he was a better regular-season manager. In the post, his teams almost always shut it down on offense. I'm sure some of that's on him. How much? Hard to say, but, then, you also have to give him the credit for getting to the post so much. He did get a ring. So, I think the truth is somewhere in between your's n' Cannon's extremes.

LOL:o..Dodgers will probably end up with that one. They seem to love those C+/B- types.

They maybe ate too much cake icing.

you are giving him way too much credit.

He's about a C+/B- guy in Triple A.... in the Majors more like a D+/C- at best.

There is nothing "average" about him, as Randall claims. Solid 7th or 8th starter on a Major League team. That makes the Phillies regular season 97 wins even more impressive. Though three #1 guys kind of equal out a #7 guy.

I'm sure that his presence made the balls stop hitting the bats.

Kyle Kendrick is one of the worst starters in baseball.

I will ask once again. Who was better?

The Yankees are now winning games on broken bat hits by Marcus Thames and Kerry Wood pickoff moves. They are phlegm. And Cliff Lee is sitting in the dugout saying..."yep, I'm throwin for them guys next year!".

texas was hanging their heads like they lost the 7th game......that was bad.

Rangers have pitching weaknesses. Yanks will find a pitching weakness. Buying up the best hitters will do that. Phils usually do (as well.) Rays don't. Giants don't. Braves (NOT IN THE POST.) Rangers are better at doing it early than late. Twins are better at doing it in the regular season. Their own pitching is not good enough (unless they hit mighty.)