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RockHardTen1985 09-03-2010 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315 (Post 691650)
Convocation won't win.


CAN'T

CSC 09-03-2010 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 691654)
Is it really cracks or was it more of Johnny V letting him loaf in the lane and get nipped at the wire? I think they learned a hard lesson last time and it won't happen again.

Maybe, I understand not taking on a big favorite for the sake of taking on a favorite, however if I were singling him I would not be comfortable with the Pletcher rush back, considering how sporadic QR has run in his career. Pletch usually likes to space his races out. I wonder had he won the Whitney, would he even be in here, nevertheless this isn't GP or Belmont, it's a good opportunity in my opinion. Jerkins/Pletch exacta. How ironic would this be?

Alan07 09-03-2010 10:48 AM

How are these handicaps?

RockHardTen1985 09-03-2010 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 691654)
Is it really cracks or was it more of Johnny V letting him loaf in the lane and get nipped at the wire? I think they learned a hard lesson last time and it won't happen again.

That 111 beyer and a nose second still kills these. Who is jumping up running a 110 or higher?

the_fat_man 09-03-2010 10:51 AM

With the results so far in some of these stakes, I'm thinking that if QR doesn't win, Pletcher will turn in his SUPPLIER to the FEDS. :rolleyes:

CSC 09-03-2010 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 691660)
That 111 beyer and a nose second still kills these. Who is jumping up running a 110 or higher?

Obviously QR can win, but that would lead to virtually no discussion on this thread. When he showed up in the entries for this race, I'm sure alot of race fans were shocked given his history of light racing. If you would have asked me last month where he was headed next, I would have said 1-9 they would have pointed for the JCGC. I don't like this pattern, I guess we will just have to wait and see if anyone can jump up and give him a race.

RockHardTen1985 09-03-2010 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by CSC (Post 691663)
Obviously QR can win, but that would lead to virtually no discussion on this thread. When he showed up in the entries for this race, I'm sure alot of race fans were shocked given his history of light racing. If you would have asked me last month where he was headed next, I would have said 1-9 they would have pointed for the JCGC. I don't like this pattern, I guess we will just have to wait and see if anyone can jump up and give him a race.


This has been the plan all along CSC. It was always Whitney-Woodward-BCC

Dahoss 09-03-2010 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by CSC (Post 691663)
Obviously QR can win, but that would lead to virtually no discussion on this thread. When he showed up in the entries for this race, I'm sure alot of race fans were shocked given his history of light racing. If you would have asked me last month where he was headed next, I would have said 1-9 they would have pointed for the JCGC. I don't like this pattern, I guess we will just have to wait and see if anyone can jump up and give him a race.

Anyone that pays attention to stuff couldn't have been too surprised. Pletcher has been talking about running in the Whitney then the Woodward since before the Met Mile.

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...et-mile-lineup

ateamstupid 09-03-2010 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by CSC (Post 691663)
Obviously QR can win, but that would lead to virtually no discussion on this thread. When he showed up in the entries for this race, I'm sure alot of race fans were shocked given his history of light racing. If you would have asked me last month where he was headed next, I would have said 1-9 they would have pointed for the JCGC. I don't like this pattern, I guess we will just have to wait and see if anyone can jump up and give him a race.

If you paid attention to anything Pletcher has said about his schedule this year, you wouldn't have been shocked. This race was always on the agenda after the Whitney. He won't lose.

Alan07 09-03-2010 11:08 AM

I suppose to protect him from not getting crushed at 1 1/4 at Belmont.

RockHardTen1985 09-03-2010 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Alan07 (Post 691669)
I suppose to protect him from not getting crushed at 1 1/4 at Belmont.

Did he get crushed last year in the JCGC?

the_fat_man 09-03-2010 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by CSC (Post 691663)
Obviously QR can win, but that would lead to virtually no discussion on this thread.

This horse has attained Pee VAL status. In other words, it's IRRELEVANT. Some of us had know previously but the Whitney made it clear, even to its most ardent supporters, that QR won't win the CLASSIC. QR has ZERO shot in the CLASSIC. Unless, of course, he's allowed to walk on the front end --- which won't happen. QR can beat as many plugs as one would want from now till the end of the year. But QR is not relevant as he's just not good enough when it comes to real horse distances.

We're sitting here debating whether Convocation can beat him. You know, the hanging, pick up the absolutely LAST pieces, Convocation.

If I were a trainer, any trainer, and I had a decent router, I'd take my best speed route horse and I'd run at QR early, then I'd have my better horse run at him late. This is a SURE recipe for success against QR. Doesn't work going 8F (on speed tracks) but it's MONEY at 9F and up. You'd think someone would actually implement this. I know that trainers of prior eras certainly would/did.

slotdirt 09-03-2010 11:35 AM

I get that Quality Road probably isn't winning the Classic, but the Woodward? He can't lose.

RockHardTen1985 09-03-2010 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt (Post 691687)
I get that Quality Road probably isn't winning the Classic, but the Woodward? He can't lose.

I had another dream, but I will keep it to myself this time.

randallscott35 09-03-2010 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt (Post 691687)
I get that Quality Road probably isn't winning the Classic, but the Woodward? He can't lose.

With a price to match.

clyde 09-03-2010 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Betsy (Post 691294)
I have no idea what you're talking about, but ok.

You don't know what anyone is talking about.

You don't even know what you are talking about.


Listen to your wuffie...it would help.

CSC 09-03-2010 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 691667)
Anyone that pays attention to stuff couldn't have been too surprised. Pletcher has been talking about running in the Whitney then the Woodward since before the Met Mile.

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...et-mile-lineup

I actually do recall Pletcher's plans for QR, call me sceptical if you want, but I didn't think he was serious of running QR 2x within a month and then go into the classic on almost 2 months works.

clyde 09-03-2010 01:17 PM

sceptical

septical

sal hippettical

hansel and grettical

hypothetical






You are floculating and don't even know it!

Coach Pants 09-03-2010 01:18 PM

Kanada

CSC 09-03-2010 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man (Post 691677)
This horse has attained Pee VAL status. In other words, it's IRRELEVANT. Some of us had know previously but the Whitney made it clear, even to its most ardent supporters, that QR won't win the CLASSIC. QR has ZERO shot in the CLASSIC. Unless, of course, he's allowed to walk on the front end --- which won't happen. QR can beat as many plugs as one would want from now till the end of the year. But QR is not relevant as he's just not good enough when it comes to real horse distances.

We're sitting here debating whether Convocation can beat him. You know, the hanging, pick up the absolutely LAST pieces, Convocation.

If I were a trainer, any trainer, and I had a decent router, I'd take my best speed route horse and I'd run at QR early, then I'd have my better horse run at him late. This is a SURE recipe for success against QR. Doesn't work going 8F (on speed tracks) but it's MONEY at 9F and up. You'd think someone would actually implement this. I know that trainers of prior eras certainly would/did.

It's a win-win the way I see it, if he win big this weekend, I will be one that will be lining up to bet against him in the classic with this being his last prep. With his big beyers this horse will always be bet down, I don't see him being interesting as a betting proposition now or later this fall.

clyde 09-03-2010 01:22 PM

!





keebek

Coach Pants 09-03-2010 01:27 PM

I'll be betting against QR's babies in the 2015 BCC.

I hope this post gets lost in the shuffle until then. I'm too p.ussy to put a real opinion out there.

CSC 09-03-2010 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 691781)
I'll be betting against QR's babies in the 2015 BCC.

I hope this post gets lost in the shuffle until then. I'm too p.ussy to put a real opinion out there.

To be as miserable as you are no doubt, I have concluded you may have been raised by a street walker. This would explain alot of things about you.

Indian Charlie 09-03-2010 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 691781)
I'll be betting against QR's babies in the 2015 BCC.

I hope this post gets lost in the shuffle until then. I'm too p.ussy to put a real opinion out there.

What about 2014? I had a dream that a combination of 18 Quality Road 2yos are going to win and dead heat in the 7 different Breeders Cup Juvenile races offered that year.

Indian Charlie 09-03-2010 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC1985 (Post 691785)
To be as miserable as you not doubt are, I have concluded you were raised by a street walker. This would explain alot of things about you.

Tell me you did not just call Coach Pants' mom a whore.

CSC 09-03-2010 01:35 PM

Let's see if I am right, here comes the predictable picture, laced with some profanity, if he posted before I refreshed, let's call it a redboard.

CSC 09-03-2010 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 691789)
Tell me you did not just call Coach Pants' mom a whore.

It would explain alot of things, wouldn't it? Normally I would feel like a $hit for saying this, but as it stands I feel great.

Indian Charlie 09-03-2010 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC (Post 691790)
Let's see if I am right, here comes the predictable picture, laced with some profanity, if he posted before I refreshed, let's call it a redboard.

Calling his Mom a whore is a little over the top, no?

CSC 09-03-2010 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 691796)
Calling his Mom a whore is a little over the top, no?

Considering some of the things he has posted, no. Get back to talking horses man.

Indian Charlie 09-03-2010 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC (Post 691797)
Considering some of the things he has posted, no. Get back to talking horses man.

Zenyatta.

slotdirt 09-03-2010 01:44 PM

Why is it so odd that TAP would train Quality Road up to the Classic off the Woodward? Hasn't he been known to train up to huge races off relatively long layoffs, like that's kind of his calling card?

CSC 09-03-2010 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 691799)
Zenyatta.

I edited, happy?

Indian Charlie 09-03-2010 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC (Post 691802)
I edited, happy?

Your edit is like saying that a dry turf course is sopping wet.

clyde 09-03-2010 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC (Post 691797)
Considering some of the things he has posted, no. Get back to talking horses man.


Mr. Ed is not present, CDC.

Dahoss 09-03-2010 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC (Post 691770)
I actually do recall Pletcher's plans for QR, call me sceptical if you want, but I didn't think he was serious of running QR 2x within a month and then go into the classic on almost 2 months works.

Why not? He plans on running Discreetly Mine in the Sprint without a prep. Quality Road ran in the Hals Hope in January and then the Donn a month later.

Seems like they planned out a schedule earlier in the year with the goal being the Classic. They want him to be fresh for the Classic and with this schedule he will be. Will it work? Who knows but this has been the plan whether you choose to accept it or not.

Coach Pants 09-03-2010 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC (Post 691785)
To be as miserable as you are no doubt, I have concluded you may have been raised by a street walker. This would explain alot of things about you.


Your tears taste great.

ateamstupid 09-04-2010 04:24 PM

Godolphin is just so awesome.

Kasept 09-05-2010 04:03 AM

106 Beyer for Quality Road in the Woodward;

104 for Here Comes Ben in the Forego;

93 for Rose Catherine in the Lena Spencer

91 for C.S. Silk in the Addison Mallery...

RockHardTen1985 09-05-2010 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 692424)
106 Beyer for Quality Road in the Woodward;

104 for Here Comes Ben in the Forego;

93 for Rose Catherine in the Lena Spencer

91 for C.S. Silk in the Addison Mallery...


He looked pretty dull yesterday and still puts out a 106... Not many horses are running this fast in the game today.

Sightseek 09-05-2010 10:32 AM

I'm convinced that Quality Road doesn't like Saratoga and his big races are still in him.


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