Copied my selections?

12/1???:eek: There is gonna be 12-14 horses in the race,no way Admiral Alex is that high.

In fact he is the 3rd best Afleet Alex horse in the race. Maybe Afleet Again is 12/1


Should have been more horses(14 or 15) in the race but Ramsey decided that since Pleasant Prince barely won the Ohio Derby,he had to come up with an excuse not to run him.(Gotta love the excuse tho-PP does not like the slop so he was not motivated to workout instead we will point him to Penn or Super Derby,whichever 1 is easier) AND Steinback who was supposedly confirmed to run,ran 2 miles and won on 8/17 in Europe so now he is doubtful

Best trainer ever tho:tro::D Ramsey's plan is to find the easiest Graded races and then talk about how good of a Grade 3 winner he has

Before I respond to this, please tell me if your just messing around or if you actually believe this?

Are you one of his Twitter followers?:rolleyes:

No I am not. And Im not happy with you, telling him you agree. I am showing a profit on pick 4's for the Spa, and Im still up off the 13-1 Ramon/Voss, Giants Causeway I hit. Thanks though.

You took a long break from the Pk4's didn't you?

i love how some writers are still listing Steinbeck as possible for the Travers

I took like 5 days off because I was busy with work. Not to mention, Im still not counting the Jim Dandy day early pick 4 that I hit, because I did not post it on the website.

Say, isn't that Edward Towers??

Never know about Steinbeck? Maybe he needed that 2 mile race as a workout :D Ya even tho he ran pretty good according to reports,hard to believe they can fly him back to NY and he is ready 11 days later.

Also just read after Dutrow talked up Trickmeister for 2 weeks. Think I heard about 20 times how he was gonna beat First Dude for the lead then go wire to wire,he probably will not even run. Instead will go up against Our Dark Knight on Friday

I wish trainers would just shutup and run their horse.

What are you talking about? If anything, on paper is where he does have a shot. Who has the top beyer in this race? This guy ran an 87 first start of his career going 9f. A win that came over this track and he was wide the entire way around the track. He is not far behind the top horses on paper, and routine improvment from first-second start is always expected. Is it crazy to think a horse talented enough to run an 87 going 9f first time out can jump up to a 100 second time out? I dont think its crazy at all.

Delete your pm's. I just tryed sending.

Thanks for the advice, and the inside info.

Is the whole premise of this thread to prove to people that he has a chance?
Or
Is this yet another thread where people disagree and you take the other side for arguments sake?

It sounds like you think he has a “shot”. is your money gonna be on him Saturday, is he a horse you’re gonna use? If so why? Don’t just take the counter side of everyone’s opinion for the sake of arguing. Sure his FIRST AND ONLY race was a good one, nothing eye-popping, awesome, good for him and good for his owners. If I can recall, 90% of that field didn’t have one start under their belt, which goes without saying but it was also a maiden field? Sure he can improve, but in a lot of people’s minds its not likely you go from a maiden to being a grade 1 winner in your next start at the age of 3, at least anywhere but cali. Your on paper argument doesn’t hold much weight considering your entire basis of this horse is off 1 race… a maiden victory. 87 beyers can be had by 20K claimers at the spa, does that mean on paper they’re as good as G2 and G1 horses?
Keep in mind horses also tend to bounce off big efforts as well. I, like most who have replied, think he has an uphill battle. I wont say impossible, b/c nothing Is impossible in this sport, just not likely

-bt-

Go back and read the thread... Multiple people said he has a shot, including Steve. I am the only one who was insulted.

heard some of the stories on the replay coming home from work. hilarious! 'i sold you a singer, not a dancer'. too funny.

He asked a question about an interesting possible starter in one of the biggest races of the year. I don't see what's so wrong about that.
Why not have a discussion about the horse? I don't think he has much of a shot either, but it seems worthy of a discussion. You really want/expect him to tell you who he's going to bet on already? That seems a bit premature. PG85 made his argument about why he liked the horse's debut, and although I don't entirely agree with it, he did make some points.

Thanks.
Im not even sure I like him, but I thought Andy was a bit extreme. Like you said, I responded with some facts and points about why he is not impossible and Andy insulted me.... Then EpBurns comes out of no where talking **** about stuff that was in the news paper the next day, and on DRF.com that night. Anyone at the track new the owner was talking Travers, but hey the guy has an inside connection with the barn.....

i still don't understand what this horse supposedly has going for him. . . it's not like his debut was even that impressive.

87 beyer first out going 9f is ok in my book.
Wide the entire trip...
Win over the track.
Horrible crop, the race is well matched with bad horses. The winning beyer will be what, maybe a 100?

I don't either. He has no shot to win the race. I think he would have found the Friday stake a bit too tough also. At least right now.

He would have gotten drubbed in the N1X on Saturday. There's just no reason for him to be considered a factor.

NT

He can be a factor. The track can be super speed favoring, the way it was when he broke his maiden, and the speed in the race could have a ton of trouble and he can be left alone on the lead in slow fractions and get carried home by the track (while a couple of closers fall on the turn).

Anything is possible. There's my analysis. :rolleyes:

Of all the interesting races/horses that we don't discuss, suddenly there's the need to spend time on this PLUG.

An 87 Beyer is pretty good for a firster at 9f, but that doesn't mean he can step right into top company. He was wide, but that wasn't a killer field and he never really flashed the type of brilliance that makes you think he's a big time stakes horse. It was very workmanlike. . . He's probably not bad, but he's nowhere near the top horses in the Travers - whether or not it's a weak crop. The winning Beyer will probably be somewhere in the 105 range, and he's not stepping up and running anything like that here. . . especially second time out at 10f - if we're going to give him credit for winning at 9 first out, then what does that mean for winning at 10 second time out? A win over the track means nothing to me. . . this isn't Keeneland or Charles Town. . . and other horses have wins or big efforts over the track too.

As of now, who do you like in the Travers? I know its a few days away, and I know the pp's and all that matter. But we both know you follow, so dont come back with some corny response. For me A Little Warn, Miners Reserve, Afleet Again, Ice Box Super Saver and First Dude are all complete tosses.

i'll probably make a pretty big win bet on Afleet Express. . .

Funny because as of now him and Fly Down are my mains....
Someone is totally against Afleet Express. I would be more then happy to be live to those 2 in the big pick 4.

Im also close to making Trappe Shot a complete toss. He is likely most talented or second most talented behind Afleet, but the not being sure where they are running him is a big concern for me. Also the price wont be right, he will be under 3-1 and the chalk or second choice in the Travers.

Thank you not putting the mush on First Dude.

Total toss for me. Glad to see your still chasing him.

You're

IC.....I'm sorry I said that.


Am a doorknob.

I only wish the comments by the faux internet intelligencia could be mocked on Sunday Morning/Saturday night.

Too funny.

Complete tosses? You would toss A little warm after that last race?

i have no problem with a discussion, everyone has put out some pretty valid points. But i don't think its productive to just defend a horses chances for the sake of conversation. it almost seems like he's taking the middle on this horse, thinks he has a chances, but wont bet on him.....well i think that about every horse in every race... i just don't make a production about it.

that being said i stand by what serling posted earlier... Bunky has no shot for win in my opinion, though his maiden voyage was impressive he didn't appear to be a world beater, i think the owner/trainer is beating a lot of pots and pans and the media is eating it up.

-bt-

does this horse have a chance? every horse has a chance, thats what people never get....even people that call themselves handicappers. its a freakin horse race, known as gambling on animals. anything can happen. what are this horses chances relative to his race time odds? i can gaurantee you that the odds will be lower than they are worth just from the garbage i'm reading here.......lol. i could not bet this horse on top for less than 40 or 50 to 1 and thats being kind.......lol

Right.....it isn't Saturday yet. This is the time for open-ended discussion, not betting.
I've criticized PG85 about 500 times for declaring the winner of a race before the PPs even come out. For him to be discussing a colt's chances without either declaring him a superstar or calling him a worthless slug is actually pretty significant progress on his part.

As for me, I would want no part of the colt at anything less than about 40/1, if the field comes up as expected. He certainly could take a step forward in his second start, but he would have to improve dramatically while going 10f in just his second start. That seems unlikely.

If any of those horses win, I will lose.

he's blinkers on, isn't he? what do you think about that? i think it's an almost wide open affair, with no real standout. i don't like a couple of the horses chances in here, but i don't see a single either. i think a little warm is the best of the lot, but i'm not sure about the distance for him. guess we'll see!

Maybe Admiral Alex does have a shot at winning the Travers. Maybe he is one of the fastest horses around and only broke his maiden by one length so he wouldn’t embarrass the other horses. :rolleyes:

Sure everyone has a chance, and thats part of the game. Thats why I responded to the face of NYRA, and like always he came back with an insult. Im actually flattered. Its 2 weeks in a row now he comes out of no where and insults me, Im sure the avatar bothers him.
Back to the race, Im tossing the horses I mentioned above, I work a brutal 8am-9pm Saturday and will be putting all my bets in early, mostly pick 3 and 4's and maybe $300 for the day. If any of the above horses win I lose, Fly Down is one of my mains and Lezcano is so bad right now Im actually thinking about this.... Its a big race and a good discussion. WIll I cover Admiral ALex, maybe in a pick 3, likely not in the pick 4.