I don't think that BL maintains any closer contact in her races than Z does. What both can do, that Biofuel, another poly runner with a similar style can't, or, at least, hasn't shown the ability to do so up to this point, is run without needing 'escorts'. Biofuel got terrible trips in her two races against DMC, as she had to do all her own running. She was able to win over the weekend at WO because others ran before she did and she picked up the pieces -- albeit with a very nice late run.

But not being 'escorted' is pretty much never a problem on dirt in races with a reasonably large field, on a fair track, which the Classic will be. Z has 2 races on dirt, both with good setups, and both HUGE wipeouts. BL's best race (in terms of figures and visual impressiveness) was a similarly well setup wipeout. Once again, IMO, BL, while very impressive, hasn't shown the kind of late kick that Z exhibits, nor the ability to overcome 'as difficult' setups. In other words, Z needs to be 'escorted' significantly less than BL. Z just pushes a bigger gear --- bigger than any horse out there. She'd bury BL if they were to come home together.

Fact. Not just because R2R retired early either. This horse is something special. Particularly at a mile and a quarter.

I think this will turn out to be wrong. Time will tell though.
Her final quarter on Saturday was fast enough to believe she has something going on. Still young, give her some time.

Of course I did it here. Zaftig only ran about what, six times maybe?

That being said, she was a better horse than Blind Luck, based on her ability level and how fast she was. She smoked Indian Blessing, who ran much faster than Blind Luck has, many times.

Every race from Candy Ride was spectacular.

As for Octave. I think her and Blind Luck are about even, but definitely Blind Luck is a gamer horse.

Though who knows what Octave would have done in this crop.

Do you really believe Blind Luck could beat, let alone be competitive with, a Curlin type of horse?

BL is a nice little horse but she would get drummed by both RA and Zenyatta.

You need to review Octave's PPs...badly.

She was a complete mediocrity who feasted on the dregs left from a crop that had one good horse and a lot of unspectacular horses. Evening Jewel is a better horse than any horse Octave ever miraculously got by.

NT

I agree with him, yea BL wins more.... She is slow IMO.
Octave and her have very similar speed figures/final times.
Evening Jewel is better then BL IMO, and needs another chance to prove it.

Maybe...maybe

With 5 weeks rest and it being his 3rd start in that same time period after being all out to win against Street Sense three weeks earlier. It would be possible for her to compete. She is game as hell.

This is true, with the exception of her race in the 07 Distaff, which, chartwise, is very similar to (probably better than) BL's Oaks. I mean, I also thought Octave was about as big an opportunistic plug as there ever was. Then I just looked at her charts and found the BC race. yikes

So you think Gomez choking her back 9000 lengths last was a poor decision in that race?

I'm still stewing about that one.

LOL..I love that.

Evening Jewel should have been beaten Saturday, and BL would run her ass down again (especially when given 9f, or more to get her.) If she got to her (late) with bone nose up, then Rosario will easily get there with her...... E.J. Tucka.

Comparing Blind Luck to Rags to Riches is pretty silly.

Winning a couple of photo finishes over Harv De Grace .. doesn't exactly compare to utterly dismantling the useful Octave and High Heels - and than beating Curlin, Hard Spun, and Tiago - the 1-2 finishers in that years BC Classic - and Tiago was the top North American finisher in one of the two pathetic joke of a BC Classic held on pro-ride.

Blind Luck had no shot with R2R.

Hystericalady was sensational in winning the Hollywood Oaks as a 3yo by a pole in 2006. Got a career best 110 Beyer in the win - but than she got hurt in her next race.

When she came back the following year she got back to form quickly. I remember posting this in an older thread.



Hystericalady was a classic "what could have been" horse - if she never got hurt as a 3yo and synthetic tracks were never invented.

And don't forget that even though she didn't win the Gazelle, she did beat Tough Tiz's Sis in that race....and that apparently means quite a lot to some racing fans.

TTS, is that the Baffert that came to NY and freaked out? A 114 beyer or something?

That race means nothing. Her performance was too far below her prior form to take seriously.

I don't remember the speed figure, but she did run pretty big in a Belmont stake on a sloppy track. I don't remember which race it was, but she won by a wide margin.

Tough Tiz's Sis was a total dog biscuit plucked from Hawthorne who stunk her whole career - other than one time when she freaked in the mud and the effort - according to Mr. Jerry Brown - ruined her career and caused her to get injured and never race again.

I want to say Ruffian or Beldame, and I know Indian Blessing was entered and scratched the morning of.

It was the Ruffian. I had a nice pick four going that day and she killed me.

Spring Waltz was the post time favorite.

Don't forget that there were two other killers in there, Little Belle and another Shug superstar, Boca Grande.

NT

I remember I was all pumped up to single Indian Blessing stretching back out.

[quote=Indian Charlie;687042]I firmly believe that the 1-2 finishers from the Acorn a couple of years ago, Zaftig and a smartly ridden Indian Blessing, would have absolutely slaughtered Blind Luck at any distance up to 9f.

zaftig was a monster too bad the really good ones get hurt..looking for her babys..

Beat Curlin in there no? That is a joke.

I am not so sure it is that silly, it is difficult to compare. Like Ali/Tyson or the 85 Bears and the 94 Cowboys tough to call.

I would give her a shot in any race at this point. To include Hard Spun's Belmont isn't really fair remembering that ride.

I think she is better than she is getting credit for, that's all. I know she will be 3yo filly champ and that is deserved. What the females have been doing lately is special and just beating your own is not enough anymore, I get it.

Just looking for big things in the future from this one is all.

Listen man. I am a fan of Blind Luck, and she was my most likely Oaks winner last year, but be real. When people start comparing her to horses like Rags to Riches, she is no longer being underrated.

Yes, she will be the 3yo champion. No, she will not be HOY, under any conditions short of her improving 15 lengths between now and the BC.

She's a good and honest filly that was fortunate to be born into a relatively weak crop. Nothing more, nothing less.

Agreed.

Just wishful thinking maybe. Perhaps she would have been better off racing on Saturday this week though. What do you think?

Saturday of this week?

I'm so out of touch right now with the racing calendar, what race are you referring to? Travers?

Yup, looks like it could be a beatable field?

Yeah, I guess she makes as much sense as anyone else in there.

Well I am glad to hear that!

Cool!

She ain't lost anything. She likes to tease the haterz. If there's ever been a horse that likes to fk with people's heads, it's her. She'll run whatever figure needs to be run. She's got to beat Blame, and it won't be easy to beat the Baffert Superjuice. Once that fkn lil M Garcia makes a lead with a horse, it becomes very difficult to get to them. The amount of speed in the race will be very important. If the Baffert juice rates off a mild pace, and gets 1st run, then it's gunna be hard to run them down. He ain't playing. K, that fkr would do anything to see that blonde jump up n' down after winning the biggest race in the world(n' bounce titties.) He's shown he can beat that supertesting.

All that's missing is a hiccup.

LOL … too funny, Scuds

Was at Anita last Saturday. Looked up at the monitor, and there's Black Tongue. You were saying something about how you were gunna be wearing a dunce cap the next day.

THAT is funny. Well done.

You do realize this is an industry that seems to not be bothered by a very successful retired jockey still using commercials that heavily use a beloved dead trainer. It's an industry that welcomes catheter commercials being run on major horse racing networks. It's an industry that was surely gunna embrace this next guy (if he'd only lived a bit longer.) It was inevitable.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RyYcDh2EMY&NR=1

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